To admit, as long as the political situation does not change, I hope Germany will block any sale of the EJ-200.
I also wish soTo admit, as long as the political situation does not change, I hope Germany will block any sale of the EJ-200.
40 new and 79 modded F-16V (along with 150 F-16 Özgür) would fill the interim/stopgap modernization need of the AF well enough especially when supplemented with some LO drones (Kizilelma + Anka 3) until Kaan gets inducted into service (whenever that may be).100¹⁰⁰ times agree.I also wish so
You simply don't need to procure new F-15EXs or Eurofighters and wait 4-5 years for delivery on top of that. It's because the Air Force is simply too late to place an order for foreign (stopgap) fighters when indigenous solutions for their problem will become available in that same timeframe.
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Like, it's outright unachievable unless we'll see a dozen aircraft flying early next year, and exactly nothing will go wrong on Turkiye's first fighter aircraft ever. People who declare this delivery target are not faithful to the customer.
That was a typo, 28 - 25 = 3
But yes it's a bit tight.
Why are you reviving this topic even though we've reached the consensus that the current (P0) prototype has no weapon bays as it is only a ground-test article made airworthy (essentially a technology demonstrator).
View: https://x.com/ssysfakb/status/1860007055228305700?t=2EWyfmCFzxqcTj7BytitSA&s=19
For some reason they decided to repeat this.
P0 has empty space that could be suitable to be a weapons bay, however this doesn't mean that it has one. I have seen them, they are just shut with panels.Why are you reviving this topic even though we've reached the consensus that the current (P0) prototype has no weapon bays as it is only a ground-test article made airworthy (essentially a technology demonstrator).
I couldn't find the exact picture that shows how deep the underbody bay is but even from the angle of the second pic that you've attached, it is visibly not that deep as there's a support structure occupying the majority of the space inside.
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(I'm currently on the road so considering the circumstances this is the best I could draw on my laptop)
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Moreover, you can see from the pics above that there are clearly no weapon bay doors, those are just regular maintenance panels on the first prototype.
View: https://x.com/SavunmaTR/status/1653812863641825303
I think @Radonislav had shared that in here before it got deleted.
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Recently, we've also heard that the second prototype (P1) looks almost nothing like the first (P0, demo) prototype.
View: https://x.com/ssysfakb/status/1860007055228305700?t=2EWyfmCFzxqcTj7BytitSA&s=19
We even have confirmation from multiple officials that the weapon integration and testing activities are only going to begin in 2025 with the roll out of P1.
Well, that was the original plan, so they are sticking to their original plan more than anything.
That was not the original plan
Sorry, but it is, from 2018.
Please refrain yourself from sharing baseless speculation so that we can keep up the quality of this thread. Moreover, the background of the author doesn't give any credibility to his speculation whatsoever.the article is in turkish but its worth taking a look
written by retired airforce commander
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Emekli Hava Pilot Tümgeneral Beyazıt Karataş ve makine mühendisi Fazıl Altay yazdı…www.veryansintv.com
There's a difference between prototypes and production tooling when it comes to assembly time. Prototypes are often hand-assembled with minimal major tooling to keep everything
GÖKHAN - National Ramjet Powered Air-Air Missile
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The "National Ramjet Powered Air-Air Missile (GÖKHAN) Development Project" contract was signed between the Ministry of National Defense and TÜBİTAK SAGE on May 21, 2021.
With this project, it is aimed to develop a nationally developed beyond-line-of-sight ramjet-powered air-to-air missile system that will enable the neutralization of various air elements with a long-range engagement in order to establish air superiority, protect high-value aircraft and enable attack aircraft to contribute to survivability by conducting their own defense.
The Conceptual Design Phase and Preliminary Design Phase of the project have been completed, and the Ground Trials Phase activities are being carried out. During the Ground Tests and Flight Tests phases of the project, subsystem and system verification tests will be conducted, and flight and firing tests will be carried out.
With the ramjet-powered air-to-air missile to be developed in the GÖKHAN project, a strategic air-to-air missile system will be introduced to our country, and Türkiye will be among the NATO member countries capable of producing ramjet-powered air-to-air missiles.
GÖKHAN - TÜBİTAK SAGE
The Contract for the "National Ramjet Powered Air-Air Missile (GÖKHAN) Development Project" was signed between the Ministry of National Defense and TÜBİTAK SAGE on May 21, 2021.www.sage.tubitak.gov.tr
Thats big. 3.6m is the length of most western AAM's in service with 5.1m being an big extension
Way longer than AIM-174B and R-27ER. External only, i guess.
For sure as KAAN would need an IWB with an length of atleast ~5.2m for it. An suboptimal number as its not long enough for 3 SDB (or similiar) or 2 MK.83's.
That looks impossible.
GÖKHAN - National Ramjet Powered Air-Air Missile
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The "National Ramjet Powered Air-Air Missile (GÖKHAN) Development Project" contract was signed between the Ministry of National Defense and TÜBİTAK SAGE on May 21, 2021.
With this project, it is aimed to develop a nationally developed beyond-line-of-sight ramjet-powered air-to-air missile system that will enable the neutralization of various air elements with a long-range engagement in order to establish air superiority, protect high-value aircraft and enable attack aircraft to contribute to survivability by conducting their own defense.
The Conceptual Design Phase and Preliminary Design Phase of the project have been completed, and the Ground Trials Phase activities are being carried out. During the Ground Tests and Flight Tests phases of the project, subsystem and system verification tests will be conducted, and flight and firing tests will be carried out.
With the ramjet-powered air-to-air missile to be developed in the GÖKHAN project, a strategic air-to-air missile system will be introduced to our country, and Türkiye will be among the NATO member countries capable of producing ramjet-powered air-to-air missiles.
GÖKHAN - TÜBİTAK SAGE
The Contract for the "National Ramjet Powered Air-Air Missile (GÖKHAN) Development Project" was signed between the Ministry of National Defense and TÜBİTAK SAGE on May 21, 2021.www.sage.tubitak.gov.tr
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Except that it's got a liquid fuelled engine.
I think the person who estimated that made a mistake there.
Their names were mentioned just to give the audience some idea (mind the parenthesis), the bays are designed around Bozdogan(WVR,, AIM-9XBII equivalent), Gökdogan(BVR, AIM-210C7 equivalent) and Gökhan (Liquid fuel ramjet, Meteor equivalent) missiles.
These indigenous missiles are also not just some copies, while they might look alike, they are thicker than their American equivalents as an example and they also happen to have dual pulse capabilities. They are also launched from the same rails and fed information from the same radar, so it makes sense that they would look similar to American missiles.
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...-test-of-bozdogan-wvr-air-to-air-missile-4490
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/content/bozdagan-gokdogan-missiles-enter-serial-production-5736
The quoted ranges are open to some speculation though. Army and the Air Force usually give NEZ or (at least near-NEZ ranges) as official figures(this part has been confirmed), and this would be in line with these missiles' and their equivalents' capabilities. But they are never going to publish top secret data though.
Anyway, I hope I managed to clarify some things or at least informed you a little.
I know it's a stupid question, but has the picture been confirmed to be genuine? The angle has been photographed is strange, as if someone had photographed a Video Photo or Videoclip from the Canvas again.
