TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

[Deino]

The 21x14x6m specs for the Kaan where most likely either carelessness or counterintel which I fell for, just like the Hurjets initial 35m2 wing area which was more obvious to me to be BS.

And the MTOW of 60.000lbs for Kaan is still BS for now and should be discarded. MTOW should be 75.000lbs with the indigenous engines.

So slowly you are questioning "official" data?
That indeed too looks like BS again, raising the question how much of what was posted here already and presented as "it's from official sources" but rated critically by others (like me for what we always get a lot of hate) is in fact BS?

... and still you think 75.000lbs with the indigenous engines (= 34,0t) are more reasonable or even realistic?

 

[Waterballoon]

So slowly you are questioning "official" data?
That indeed too looks like BS again, raising the question how much of what was posted here already and presented as "it's from official sources" but rated critically by others (like me for what we always get a lot of hate) is in fact BS?

I've to correct myself. It seems the official figures given by TAI doesn't correspond with the actual size of the prototype. According to various sources I've gathered the Kaan has a length of 20,2 meters, a span width of 13,32 meters and a corresponding wing area of 70 square meters.

The length between the nozzles and radar array is now 16 meters with a theoretical empty weight of 16,8-17 tons which results in a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1,55 and a wing loading of 242 kg per square meters.

Sorry for all those who I've given a hard time.

... and still you think 75.000lbs with the indigenous engines (= 34,0t) are more reasonable or even realistic?

What's your estimate then?

 

[Dolgoth Sepk]

What's your estimate then?

You can't believe official data only when it is in your favor.
Or change the data on the airshow display board according to your preferences?

 

[Waterballoon]

You can't believe official data only when it is in your favor.
Or change the data on the airshow display board according to your preferences?

The official specs of Kaan changed from 19m*12m to 21*14m to 20.3*13.4m

My latest measurements (20.2*13.33m) got close to the latest official dimensions and corroborated by @Radonislav (who knows a bit more than he is willing to say)

When it comes to official MTOW, it used be be 60k lbs, then >60klbs to 60k lbs back again. If you think a stealth fighter with IWB with the same size of other twin engine heavy fighters weighs a whopping 15klbs-20klbs less than its counterparts, I got a bridge to sell you

A MTOW of 70-80k lbs is most likely, so I took the figure in between, 75.000 lbs


I know it's difficult to keep track of it all so if you don't follow the progress daily, it's best to just lurk

 

[Dolgoth Sepk]

The official specs of Kaan changed from 19m*12m to 21*14m to 20.3*13.4m

I know it's difficult to keep track of it all so if you don't follow the progress daily, it's best to just lurk

You should communicate with the staff of TAI and ask them to change the technical parameters instead of just "pondering" in the forum.

 

[snne]

You should communicate with the staff of TAI and ask them to change the technical parameters instead of just "pondering" in the forum.

You both have a point. The Turkish military-industrial complex is infamous within Turkish MilTwitter for its poor marketing and public relations, and TAI is one of the worst in this regard.

He's right that Kaan's dimensions have changed twice so far (three times if you count the PDR). While the updated specs for Hürjet are for its second prototype, Kaan's dimensions are based on the P0/GTU-0, as evidenced by numerous open-source investigations.

The current given MTOW hasn’t changed compared to the previous one from the PDR. While advanced tooling and manufacturing can play a significant role in decreasing weight, the majority of us believe that Kaan's empty weight and MTOW should align more closely with its in-class equivalents (such as the J-20, F-22, and Su-57)...


(machine translation, cc for the original: @orko_8 /siyah gri beyaz)

 

[Dolgoth Sepk]

You both have a point. The Turkish military-industrial complex is infamous within Turkish MilTwitter for its poor marketing and public relations, and TAI is one of the worst in this regard.

He's right that Kaan's dimensions have changed twice so far (three times if you count the PDR). While the updated specs for Hürjet are for its second prototype, Kaan's dimensions are based on the P0/GTU-0, as evidenced by numerous open-source investigations.

Before TAI manufactures P1, there is no point in insisting that his own estimated data is more appropriate than TAI's data. This is my opinion.

 

[snne]

Before TAI manufactures P1, there is no point in insisting that his own estimated data is more appropriate than TAI's data. This is my opinion.

He's saying that TAI's social media and website managers hadn't updated the dimensions and specs until very recently, not that the people who designed the plane are somehow wrong.

 

[Dolgoth Sepk]

He's saying that TAI's social media and website managers hadn't updated the dimensions and specs until very recently, not that the people who designed the plane are somehow wrong.

Ok, the data from TAI isn't enough to make him happy.