TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

To admit, as long as the political situation does not change, I hope Germany will block any sale of the EJ-200. :(
I also wish so :) 40 new and 79 modded F-16V (along with 150 F-16 Özgür) would fill the interim/stopgap modernization need of the AF well enough especially when supplemented with some LO drones (Kizilelma + Anka 3) until Kaan gets inducted into service (whenever that may be).

You simply don't need to procure new F-15EXs or Eurofighters and wait 4-5 years for delivery on top of that. It's because the Air Force is simply too late to place an order for foreign (stopgap) fighters when indigenous solutions for their problem will become available in that same timeframe.
 
Last edited:
I also wish so :) 40 new and 79 modded F-16V (along with 150 F-16 Özgür) would fill the interim/stopgap modernization need of the AF well enough especially when supplemented with some LO drones (Kizilelma + Anka 3) until Kaan gets inducted into service (whenever that may be).

You simply don't need to procure new F-15EXs or Eurofighters and wait 4-5 years for delivery on top of that. It's because the Air Force is simply too late to place an order for foreign (stopgap) fighters when indigenous solutions for their problem will become available in that same timeframe.
100¹⁰⁰ times agree.

But I guess Air force is aware of this too and rumours that they will get the slot of Qatari orders
 
Latest update (from an another Saudi visit, in fact:().

The P0 demo plane is due to make an another flight within the year but intensive testing is going to begin with the roll out of P1 and P2 by next year.

GZ24Pd-WMAMeKnS.jpeg

First delivery target by 2028 gives it 3 years for intensive testing, this is still a bit ambitious for my taste but considering the threat risks involved for the AF, it can't get inducted soon enough...
 
Last edited:
The first launching tests of the ramjet-propelled long-range air-to-air missile GÖKHAN, which is under development under the Prime Contractorship of TÜBİTAK SAGE, are expected to be carried out in 2025. However, in order to see the real performance of GÖKHAN, the MURAD AESA Nose Radar, which has a long detection range capability, must also be ready. Because the AN/APG-68 series radars on F-16s will be insufficient in terms of performance for a missile like GÖKHAN. GÖKHAN, which is announced to be able to reach speeds close to Mach 5, will feature the ASELSAN product AGRAS-200AA Active RF Seeker Head.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ibrahim-sünnetci-b2951544_tübi̇tak-sage-ana-yükleniciliğinde-geliştirme-activity-7252627678246174720-Pvcl?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios

If anyone's curious, here's more info on the mentioned missile along with the existing ones: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/tai-tf-x-milli-muharip-uçak-mmu-kaan.13448/post-657692
 
Last edited:
This thread is locked, at least temporarily. Terrorristic attacks with losses of live, are sad, but cannot be a theme in this thread, which quite clearly is about the TAI TF-X.
Such attacks always have political aspects, and I think, you know the forum rules ?
 
First delivery target by 2028 gives it 2 years for intensive testing, this is still a bit ambitious for my taste but considering the threat risks involved for the AF, it can't get inducted soon enough...
Like, it's outright unachievable unless we'll see a dozen aircraft flying early next year, and exactly nothing will go wrong on Turkiye's first fighter aircraft ever. People who declare this delivery target are not faithful to the customer.
2030s is the first likely term, provided that everything goes flawlessly. 2030 may have been a flawless ideal if the first prototype had been an actual prototype, but given its flight rate - it was at best aimed at demonstrating that Turkiye in principle can do it.
 
Like, it's outright unachievable unless we'll see a dozen aircraft flying early next year, and exactly nothing will go wrong on Turkiye's first fighter aircraft ever. People who declare this delivery target are not faithful to the customer.
2030s is the first likely term, provided that everything goes flawlessly. 2030 may have been a flawless ideal if the first prototype had been an actual prototype, but given its flight rate - it was at best aimed at demonstrating that Turkiye in principle can do it.
That was a typo, 28 - 25 = 3 :) But yes it's a bit tight.

AFAICR, we'll see two prototyes roll out next year and three the year after; and 3 in 2026-27(?), the last two are for indigenous engines if I'm not mistaken.

Officials keep saying that the pace of the testing is going to be like Hürjet's from the roll out of P1 (the current one is P0 - i.e. tech demo) onwards, which is quite intensive.

As someone who has kept a close watch on this program for a decade, I personally believe the delivery might be delayed by a year at worst but the target is still 28/29; so this is nothing major. And they are set to deliver 20 planes with Block 10 configuration and foreign engines in 2028.
 
KAAN P0 - Side weapon bay visible
View attachment 750922
Central internal weapons bay visible, connection points for external pylons also visible on the wing*
View attachment 750923
Why are you reviving this topic even though we've reached the consensus that the current (P0) prototype has no weapon bays as it is only a ground-test article made airworthy (essentially a technology demonstrator).

I couldn't find the exact picture that shows how deep the underbody bay is but even from the angle of the second pic that you've attached, it is visibly not that deep as there's a support structure occupying the majority of the space inside.

1000004377.jpg
1685653895188-png.700696
1000004378.png
Screenshot 2024-12-05 223747.png


(I'm currently on the road so considering the circumstances this is the best I could draw on my laptop)

Untitledl.png


Moreover, you can see from the pics above that there are clearly no weapon bay doors, those are just regular maintenance panels on the first prototype.

View: https://x.com/SavunmaTR/status/1653812863641825303


I think @Radonislav had shared that in here before it got deleted.

------

Recently, we've also heard that the second prototype (P1) looks almost nothing like the first (P0, demo) prototype.

I heard a comment that "it was almost a different plane," but its accuracy is not certain.
View: https://x.com/ssysfakb/status/1860007055228305700?t=2EWyfmCFzxqcTj7BytitSA&s=19

We even have confirmation from multiple officials that the weapon integration and testing activities are only going to begin in 2025 with the roll out of P1.
 
Last edited:
Why are you reviving this topic even though we've reached the consensus that the current (P0) prototype has no weapon bays as it is only a ground-test article made airworthy (essentially a technology demonstrator).

I couldn't find the exact picture that shows how deep the underbody bay is but even from the angle of the second pic that you've attached, it is visibly not that deep as there's a support structure occupying the majority of the space inside.

View attachment 751132
1685653895188-png.700696
View attachment 751133
View attachment 751138


(I'm currently on the road so considering the circumstances this is the best I could draw on my laptop)

View attachment 751137


Moreover, you can see from the pics above that there are clearly no weapon bay doors, those are just regular maintenance panels on the first prototype.

View: https://x.com/SavunmaTR/status/1653812863641825303


I think @Radonislav had shared that in here before it got deleted.

------

Recently, we've also heard that the second prototype (P1) looks almost nothing like the first (P0, demo) prototype.


View: https://x.com/ssysfakb/status/1860007055228305700?t=2EWyfmCFzxqcTj7BytitSA&s=19

We even have confirmation from multiple officials that the weapon integration and testing activities are only going to begin in 2025 with the roll out of P1.
P0 has empty space that could be suitable to be a weapons bay, however this doesn't mean that it has one. I have seen them, they are just shut with panels.


Also, the difference between P0 and P1 is exeggerated. Of course it has its differences but "looks nothing like" is just what Twitter guys say for clicks and views.

Probably we will see IWB tests in 2026, Anka-3 will conduct IWB tests with Tolun and 82s this year, it was supposed to happen in November but apparently it got delayed
 
We even have confirmation from multiple officials that the weapon integration and testing activities are only going to begin in 2025 with the roll out of P1.
Well, that was the original plan, so they are sticking to their original plan more than anything.
 
the article is in turkish but its worth taking a look
written by retired airforce commander
View attachment 751457View attachment 751455
Please refrain yourself from sharing baseless speculation so that we can keep up the quality of this thread. Moreover, the background of the author doesn't give any credibility to his speculation whatsoever.
 
Have I misunderstood or will the aircraft not be ready until the end of 2025? And then the maiden flight would take place shortly afterwards.
How do they plan to produce the first series aircraft in 2028/29? 2 years is extremely short, unless they deliver bananaware that only matures with the customer, in this case the Turkish armed forces. Why do they need 8-9 months to build an aircraft?
 
Have I misunderstood or will the aircraft not be ready until the end of 2025? And then the maiden flight would take place shortly afterwards.
How do they plan to produce the first series aircraft in 2028/29? 2 years is extremely short, unless they deliver bananaware that only matures with the customer, in this case the Turkish armed forces. Why do they need 8-9 months to build an aircraft?
There's a difference between prototypes and production tooling when it comes to assembly time. Prototypes are often hand-assembled with minimal major tooling to keep everything flying. This means that building one is a lot more time-consuming than telling a running assembly line "print me one more".
 
There's a difference between prototypes and production tooling when it comes to assembly time. Prototypes are often hand-assembled with minimal major tooling to keep everything flying. This means that building one is a lot more time-consuming than telling a running assembly line "print me one more".

To add, second prototype is expected to have design changes, also was stated previously few threads back that there were supply chain issues which delayed assembly of the second prototype.

"Speaking at a press conference on the second day of the Farnborough Airshow—and just five weeks into his tenure as CEO of the OEM, following the departure of Temel Kotil in June—Demiroglu said that supply chain issues around titanium as well as castings and forgings were causing “significant manufacturing delays.”"

 

Similar threads

Please donate to support the forum.

Back
Top Bottom