TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

[Radonislav]

TF-X is on her gears!

 

[Flyaway]

Could Ukraine be a future customer for the TFX considering the two countries links in the aerospace area.

 

[snne]

Could Ukraine be a future customer for the TFX considering the two countries links in the aerospace area.

Well even if the war is over (and that's a big if) no matter how much investment they'll receive their economy is still going to be in ruins for the next couple of decades. Hell they were even struggling before the war.

If their economy somehow miraculously prospers, then why not; anything's possible. But I do think that in such a scenario, they'd be pressurized to buy from the West considering the amount of support they received especially from the US.

And also accounting the fact that Turkish-Western relations are at an all time low due to a lack of common interests, I see no such scenario in which France or any other country is okay with Turkey stealing a major customer.

They'll most likely receive 2nd hand US F-16s or less likely Swedish Gripens

 

[Canardzz]

So according to some sources the TF-X's engines have been installed and we probably will see the aircraft today. There is also a foreign protocol visit to the factory apparently. We will see...

 

[Canardzz]

No TF-X today. But apparently they fired up her engines yesterday so yay.

 

[snne]

Active electronic X-band scanning radar on the National Combat Aircraft (MMU) detection algorithms that predict the precipitation region and intensity to be used have been developed and delivered to ASELSAN.

 

[Radonislav]

Active electronic X-band scanning radar on the National Combat Aircraft (MMU) detection algorithms that predict the precipitation region and intensity to be used have been developed and delivered to ASELSAN.

Source?

 

[Canardzz]

TAI TF-X

 

[Deino]

TAI TF-X

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Well, now I’m a bit disappointed … the landing gear looks more like a provisorial one

 

[flateric]

Because it is provisorial.

 

[Canardzz]

TAI TF-X

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Well, now I’m a bit disappointed … the landing gear looks more like a provisorial one

Because it is provisorial.

That's what I thought at first. But if you look closely you'll see that the tires are real. She also doesn't have her landing gear doors installed as of yet so that might also be misleading.

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[flateric]

TAI TF-X

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Well, now I’m a bit disappointed … the landing gear looks more like a provisorial one

Because it is provisorial.

That's what I thought at first. But if you look closely you'll see that the tires are real. She also doesn't have her landing gear doors installed as of yet so that might also be misleading.

Tires are real, legs are temporary - what's the problem?

 

[Canardzz]

TAI TF-X

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Well, now I’m a bit disappointed … the landing gear looks more like a provisorial one

Because it is provisorial.

That's what I thought at first. But if you look closely you'll see that the tires are real. She also doesn't have her landing gear doors installed as of yet so that might also be misleading.

Tires are real, legs are temporary - what's the problem?

There is no problem. I simply believe the landing gears are real. What makes you think they're temporary? Did you receive some insider info?

 

[flateric]

Why, really...

 

[Canardzz]

Why, really...

That doesn't explain a lot. The landing gears are similar, not identical. The front landing gear in particular is drastically different.

EDIT: Why the TAAC infograph? The design there is outdated.

 

[helmutkohl]

nice pic! good shot of the s-ducts too
what I noticed is the intakes are quite different than the mock up TAI has often used
and the radome is a different shape
could be angle, but it does look like the changes from this version from the mock up is more than just the wings as shown in the previous posts

 

[Combat-Master]

nice pic! good shot of the s-ducts too
what I noticed is the intakes are quite different than the mock up TAI has often used
and the radome is a different shape
could be angle, but it does look like the changes from this version from the mock up is more than just the wings as shown in the previous posts

Expected right, since the actual frontal arc of the aircraft was put through vigorous RCS trails to ensure low cross section, plus alterations because of the type of engines used - I expect further iterations of the intakes as the engines are uprated with the domestic engines.

Mock-up <> Prototype

 

[flateric]

Why, really...

That doesn't explain a lot. The landing gears are similar, not identical. The front landing gear in particular is drastically different.

EDIT: Why the TAAC infograph? The design there is outdated.

I always can stand corrected and apologize if I'm wrong. Let's wait for more detailed photos. And yes, TAAC chief said that TF-X will 'stand on her landing gears on Dec.20".

 

[Combat-Master]

According to this tweet, F110 engines have been installed on TFX prototype

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607373732850577409

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1607373732850577409?s=20&t=7baUmM-GXx_bOwAtFDGeng

 

[Canardzz]

Why, really...

That doesn't explain a lot. The landing gears are similar, not identical. The front landing gear in particular is drastically different.

EDIT: Why the TAAC infograph? The design there is outdated.

I always can stand corrected and apologize if I'm wrong. Let's wait for more detailed photos. And yes, TAAC chief said that TF-X will 'stand on her landing gears on Dec.20".

Yesss we need more angles of her

 

[TomcatViP]

The pace of work is absolutely stunning.

They have profoundly changed the balance of power in the European aerospace industry in such a short time.

I wonder if and when they will feel confident to do the same push toward the Civil industry.

 

[Combat-Master]

The pace of work is absolutely stunning.

They have profoundly changed the balance of power in the European aerospace industry in such a short time.

I think a detail that has been missed out in regards to TFX, Hurjet and Various Helicopter Programmes that TAI is heading is that, they are working in what they call "War Conditions" They have 24/7 shift rotation that's working on the programmes continuously, multiple offices around the globe now also, which helps with the continuous working ethos.

Current Turbofan engine Aircrafts | TFX > Hurjet > KizilElma UCAV > ANKA-3 UCAV

Turkey has sought co-operation with Ukraine in the Civil Aviation industry, however with the current situation where Ukraine being at war with Russia has stalled negotiations; Turkey's civil aviation is in need of small-medium sized domestic flight aircraft, illustration below is that of two aircrafts that were to be developed with Nevada Corp, but was suspended due to political turmoil with U.S.

Furthermore, Today Aselsan Turkish military electronics company applied for Civil Certification for their ANS-600 Airborne Inertial Navigation System, this system is used on Turkey's F-16 Modernization programme; https://www.aselsan.com.tr/en/capab...ms/ans600-airborne-inertial-navigation-system

 

[TomcatViP]

Permanent engineering is something I did push frwd back then, given the fact that France has locals in many places around the world, covering next to every time zone.

But I had to realize that outsourcing high paying jobs to natives was probably not a priority (relocating urbanized specialists only decreases work momentum).j

Glad to hear someone new got the idea in motion.

 

[litzj]

The pace of work is absolutely stunning.

They have profoundly changed the balance of power in the European aerospace industry in such a short time.

I think a detail that has been missed out in regards to TFX, Hurjet and Various Helicopter Programmes that TAI is heading is that, they are working in what they call "War Conditions" They have 24/7 shift rotation that's working on the programmes continuously, multiple offices around the globe now also, which helps with the continuous working ethos.

Current Turbofan engine Aircrafts | TFX > Hurjet > KizilElma UCAV > ANKA-3 UCAV

Turkey has sought co-operation with Ukraine in the Civil Aviation industry, however with the current situation where Ukraine being at war with Russia has stalled negotiations; Turkey's civil aviation is in need of small-medium sized domestic flight aircraft, illustration below is that of two aircrafts that were to be developed with Nevada Corp, but was suspended due to political turmoil with U.S.

Furthermore, Today Aselsan Turkish military electronics company applied for Civil Certification for their ANS-600 Airborne Inertial Navigation System, this system is used on Turkey's F-16 Modernization programme; https://www.aselsan.com.tr/en/capab...ms/ans600-airborne-inertial-navigation-system

Do328 jet from Turkey?

 

[Combat-Master]

The pace of work is absolutely stunning.

They have profoundly changed the balance of power in the European aerospace industry in such a short time.

I think a detail that has been missed out in regards to TFX, Hurjet and Various Helicopter Programmes that TAI is heading is that, they are working in what they call "War Conditions" They have 24/7 shift rotation that's working on the programmes continuously, multiple offices around the globe now also, which helps with the continuous working ethos.

Current Turbofan engine Aircrafts | TFX > Hurjet > KizilElma UCAV > ANKA-3 UCAV

Turkey has sought co-operation with Ukraine in the Civil Aviation industry, however with the current situation where Ukraine being at war with Russia has stalled negotiations; Turkey's civil aviation is in need of small-medium sized domestic flight aircraft, illustration below is that of two aircrafts that were to be developed with Nevada Corp, but was suspended due to political turmoil with U.S.

Furthermore, Today Aselsan Turkish military electronics company applied for Civil Certification for their ANS-600 Airborne Inertial Navigation System, this system is used on Turkey's F-16 Modernization programme; https://www.aselsan.com.tr/en/capab...ms/ans600-airborne-inertial-navigation-system

Do328 jet from Turkey?

Yes, that was the plan - but the project was abandoned.

"During February 2015, US engineering company Sierra Nevada Corporation acquired 328 Support Services GmbH.[1][26] Shortly thereafter, Sierra Nevada's owner, Turkish-American engineer Fatih Ozmen, established a private corporation named Özjet Havacılık Teknolojileri A.Ş. at Technopark of Bilkent University, Ankara and signed a Memorandum of understanding with the Transportation Ministry of Turkey in order to manufacture the 328 at Ankara.[29] In June 2015, the Turkish government launched the Turkish TR328 and TRJ328 regional aircraft project, a modernized 328/328JET, with either turboprops or jets.[30] It could be followed by the larger TR628/TRJ-628.[31"

 

[flateric]

I wonder if NLG change to single wheel announced before or its another surprise like inlet and pygarrhichas albogularis nose?

 

[Canardzz]

Leading edge extensions of the F-35 and the TF-X compared

 

[Canardzz]

All systems have been integrated to GTU-0

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608810826844233729

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1608810826844233729?s=20&t=4fo_BQxhVRA152zlke0a4g


CEO Temel Kotil also states that the rollout may happen sooner than originally planned.

 

[Combat-Master]

TAI General Manager; "We can roll-out the TFX earlier than March, but we will roll out the aircraft at the requested date 18th March Roll-Out Ceremont"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608801401680920577

View: https://twitter.com/ahaber/status/1608801401680920577?s=20


I wonder, if they will pull a Baykar and perhaps we may see the prototype fly a bit, they are ahead of schedule after all.

 

[Canardzz]

TAI General Manager; "We can roll-out the TFX earlier than March, but we will roll out the aircraft at the requested date 18th March Roll-Out Ceremont"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608801401680920577

View: https://twitter.com/ahaber/status/1608801401680920577?s=20


I wonder, if they will pull a Baykar and perhaps we may see the prototype fly a bit, they are ahead of schedule after all.

It's not their aim to fly this. But it would be cool.

 

[Combat-Master]

TAI General Manager; "We can roll-out the TFX earlier than March, but we will roll out the aircraft at the requested date 18th March Roll-Out Ceremont"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1608801401680920577

View: https://twitter.com/ahaber/status/1608801401680920577?s=20


I wonder, if they will pull a Baykar and perhaps we may see the prototype fly a bit, they are ahead of schedule after all.

It's not their aim to fly this. But it would be cool.

Yes, but a little hop would be a nice touch

 

[Canardzz]

TF-X from the frontal aspect. Note how big that nose is (pic from a month back, but got released today).

 

[Combat-Master]

TF-X from the frontal aspect. Note how big that nose is (pic from a month back, but got released today).

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BURFIS AESA Radar is going to be a big boy

 

[Canardzz]

Better

TF-X from the frontal aspect. Note how big that nose is (pic from a month back, but got released today).

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Better view

 

[Canardzz]

ASELSAN is actively developing radar absorbing materials for the TF-X but their work isn't limited to a single aircraft alone. The article gives good insight on what the ASELSAN team are working on. Remember to translate the article.

Milli platformlar ASELSAN ile görünmez oluyor

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen radar soğurucu malzemenin insansız hava aracının saçılım merkezlerine uygulanmasıyla radar kesit alanı değeri binde birine düşürülebildi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Combat-Master]

ASELSAN is actively developing radar absorbing materials for the TF-X but their work isn't limited to a single aircraft alone. The article gives good insight on what the ASELSAN team are working on. Remember to translate the article.

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Milli platformlar ASELSAN ile görünmez oluyor

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen radar soğurucu malzemenin insansız hava aracının saçılım merkezlerine uygulanmasıyla radar kesit alanı değeri binde birine düşürülebildi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

A breif summary;
Haluk Görgün, CEO of ASELSAN, a Turkish defense company, has made statements about the company's work on radar jamming technology and low visibility. The company has developed software called RAPID that can analyze which parts of a platform (such as an aircraft) are most vulnerable to being detected by radar and then develop materials and paint to decrease the visibility of those parts. The company works with several universities and companies to develop these materials and paints for use on air, sea, and land platforms, including the National Combat Aircraft.

 

[Canardzz]

As a follow up

ASELSAN is actively developing radar absorbing materials for the TF-X but their work isn't limited to a single aircraft alone. The article gives good insight on what the ASELSAN team are working on. Remember to translate the article.

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Milli platformlar ASELSAN ile görünmez oluyor

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen radar soğurucu malzemenin insansız hava aracının saçılım merkezlerine uygulanmasıyla radar kesit alanı değeri binde birine düşürülebildi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

A breif summary;
Haluk Görgün, CEO of ASELSAN, a Turkish defense company, has made statements about the company's work on radar jamming technology and low visibility. The company has developed software called RAPID that can analyze which parts of a platform (such as an aircraft) are most vulnerable to being detected by radar and then develop materials and paint to decrease the visibility of those parts. The company works with several universities and companies to develop these materials and paints for use on air, sea, and land platforms, including the National Combat Aircraft.

ASELSAN is actively developing these technologies for 4th, 5th and 6TH GEN platforms of Turkey.

 

[snne]

ASELSAN is actively developing radar absorbing materials for the TF-X but their work isn't limited to a single aircraft alone. The article gives good insight on what the ASELSAN team are working on. Remember to translate the article.

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Milli platformlar ASELSAN ile görünmez oluyor

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen radar soğurucu malzemenin insansız hava aracının saçılım merkezlerine uygulanmasıyla radar kesit alanı değeri binde birine düşürülebildi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Aselsan claims that materials used for the MMU will also be used for other unmanned platforms. They also claimed 99.9% RCS reduction from the materials used. Considering that TAI has been building F-35 fuselages I'd say it is highly that the MMU is using a similar mix of materials. It would be utterly unreasonable to not use that knowledge.

 

[Canardzz]

TASECS will implement the environmental control system they developed to platforms such as Hürkuş-2, Gökbey, ATAK, Hürjet and the National Combat Aircraft (TF-X).