Little-Known French Projects and Prototypes

[Cy-27]

Lelièvre Monoplane 1912-13

The designer of this rather unusual aeroplane was one of the earliest French enthusiast pilots with a French Brevet number of 29. Lieutenant Eugene Lelièvre of the 5th Artillery Regiment conceived a monoplane that was built by Vendôme. A contemporary postcard records the first flight as 1 March 1913.

The pilot entered the aeroplane plane by means of a narrow side door opening. The engine was installed very low and drove the large propeller placed higher up alongside the wing via a chain (see patent drawing attached). The monoplane flew several times to Issy-les-Moulineaux in early 1913 and crashed a few months later, in the August.

Only the single example was built.

General characteristics

Engine: 50 h.p.
Wing Span: 9.5 m
Wing Area: 22 sq m

Sources:

Pioniere der Fruhen Luftfahrt by Schmitt and Schwipps (Gondrom) ISBN 3-8112-1189-7

 

[dan_inbox]

And in flight:

 

[hesham]

Hi,

this odd airplane was designed by Monsieur de Richmond,I don't know if it was a French
or not ?,page 31;

https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=6fb2w7clkfEC&printsec=frontcover&hl=ar&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[martinbayer]

Hi,

this odd airplane was designed by Monsieur de Richmond,I don't know if it was a French
or not ?,page 31;

https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=6fb2w7clkfEC&printsec=frontcover&hl=ar&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Dumbo?

Martin

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I can't ID this airplane,was it a French design,from M. Levesque ?,page 44;

https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=LBTqUc-SDZ0C&printsec=frontcover&hl=ar&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[hesham]

Hi,

does anyone hear about French helicopter,called Boneaux,maybe a Project ?,I don't
sure if the spelling is right or not ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the de Marcay Type-3 was a single-seat sesquiplane fighter with Hispano-Suiza 300hp engine,
apparently unfinished.

 

[Motocar]

Great project the Guillemin, incorporated flaps that little plane ...!

 

[hesham]

A Pescara project :

(page 19)

http://fr.calameo.com/read/0001240572ae5a05fb9e5

My dear Richard,

this Project mentioned in TU magazine.

 

[Motocar]

The Guillemin is a very interesting surprise for me, especially his wing with his "Flaps and Slaps" something very rarely seen in lighter and more planes in those years

 

[hesham]

Hi,

from the book; Louis Blériot L' envol du XXe siècle - Blériot- Aéronautique ( SPAD - Blanchard -
Guillemin )
and in 1917 competition for multi engined BN.2 & BN.3,a two and three seat night bomber,
the tenders were;
Voisin XII,Letord 9,Bleriot 71 & 73,Farman 50,Caudron C-23 and CEP 2

What was CEP 2 ?,I search on the book; French Aircraft of the First World War,
but nothing I found.

 

[Deltafan]

Hi,

I presume it was this "Caproni built under licence Esnault Pelterie" : Caproni Esnault Pelterie 2.

http://www.traditions-air.fr/unit_en/avion/avions_ww1_01.htm

I understand that it was the name of the Caproni Ca.3 built in France (30) by Esnault Pelterie and the Société Anonyme d'Applications Industrielles du Bois (SAAIB) :

http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/Avions_Caproni.htm

 

[hesham]

Excellent my dear Deltafan,many thanks.

 

[hesham]

Small Quiz,

what was this real French airplane (not Project) ?.

 

[hesham]

Small Quiz,

what was this real French airplane (not Project) ?.

It was Lauret L'Ailette.

 

[avion ancien]

It does appear, Hesham, that all four of those illustrations came from my post on another forum (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux/page452) and assuming that is where you found them, you might have had the courtesy to mention as much and give credit to the source! Oh and this aeroplane also was known as the Marais-Lauret Ailette.

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Avions,

I just don't remember the source.

 

[hesham]

THANKS AND.....one other

My dear Toura,

I think the magazine spelled the name of the designer wrong,it was Vinet.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

FBA-180 : single engined flying boat aircraft.

Here is a more Info about FBA.18;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201925%2001.pdf

 

[toura]

My dear Hesham
Another Vinet plane from "Aviation magazine"

 

[hesham]

Many thanks my dear Toura.

 

[dan_inbox]

Another Vinet plane from "Aviation magazine"

FWIW, in my files this is named the "Vinet monoplan 1911 Type D."

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Jean Gras designed and built a gyrocopter,all details available is here;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201925%20012.pdf

 

[hesham]

From Taschenbuch der Luftflotten 1915;

here is a Colliex-Janson experimental seaplane of 1914.

 

[Apophenia]

Another Vinet plane from "Aviation magazine"

FWIW, in my files this is named the "Vinet monoplan 1911 Type D."

A larger version of Toura's image is available here:
http://www.in-plano.fr/themes/74/aviation/PL-PL0260/photographie-ancienne.html

L'avion monoplan Vinet en mai 1911
Référence PL-PL0260 / Collection Pierre Léotard

Anyone know what that 5-cylinder engine is? A 35 hp Viale radial, perhaps?

 

[hesham]

this odd airplane was designed by Monsieur de Richmond,I don't know if it was a French
or not ?,page 31;

https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=6fb2w7clkfEC&printsec=frontcover&hl=ar&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

I am confuse with this airplane,it was from French or USA ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201932%2005.pdf

 

[Arjen]

I fed the text to Google translate, then did a little re-arranging:

It could be said a monster or at least the model of a crazy inventor of a few centuries ago. Instead we received this photograph these days - May 1932 - from America with this precise caption:

"Viewed from the front a mysterious airship: New airship under construction by Mr. Frank Bolger president of Associated Aviation Inc. Clubs of America. The strange device is entirely metal and has two propellers, one in front, one at the rear. When ready it will begin a US tour by visiting more than one thousand locations and major airports."

While we're at it, we would just be very pleased to see this kind of photographed airplane-automobile-blimp take off or land in one of those major airports mentioned above and perhaps - why not? - to come and pay us a little visit in Europe.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Arjen,

and that means,he was not Monsieur de Richmond,as Flying Magazine said.

 

[avion ancien]

That's what I like to see, Arjen. GoogleTranslate + human intelligence = comprehendable translation (rather than the usual gibberish that GoogleTranslate produces when fed a substantial chunk of text).

 

[hesham]

Here is a Moineau biplane drawing.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201935%20012.pdf

 

[cluttonfred]

Here is a Moineau biplane drawing.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201935%20012.pdf

This could be a product of Avions René Moineau (former Bréguet designer-pilot known for the unsuccessful if interesting WWI remote-engine Salmon-Moineau S.M. 1) but then again "moineau" means "sparrow" so it could just be a model nickname.

 

[avion ancien]

The Moineau biplane was designed and built by MM Bessard & Millevoye at Saint-Ouen in 1935. The drawing above, together with a detailed review of this aeroplane, can be found in Les Ailes of 15 August 1935. The name 'Le Moineau' appears on its fuselage in the accompanying photograph.

 

[cluttonfred]

The Moineau biplane was designed and built by MM Bessard & Millevoye at Saint-Ouen in 1935. The drawing above, together with a detailed review of this aeroplane, can be found in Les Ailes of 15 August 1935. The name 'Le Moineau' appears on its fuselage in the accompanying photograph.

Merci! And here is the article thanks to the French national library online....

Source: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6553894j/f3.item

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Toura,


and here is the Jarrion two seat light aircraft,intended to light aircraft contest
of 1936,remained a project only.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560504f/f9.image

A clearer view;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201937%2008.pdf

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the ANF-Mureaux had un-numbered Project of 1935,for twin engined airplane
with retractable landing gear.

 

[sienar]

By way of Luftwaffe-Research-Group, a photo with a few odd types

The center aircraft is the Weymann 230/231 discussed elsewhere on this forum. But the aircraft on the left and the right of the Weymann are stumping people.

Original ebay auction - http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Frankreich-Beute-Flugzeuge-franzosische-Luftwaffe-und-deutsche-Maschinen-/361862694939?hash=item5440b2881b:g:U0EAAOSwux5YYCF1

 

[avion ancien]

I suppose it's a stupid question to ask whether there is any indication of where the photograph was taken.

 

[sienar]

Probably Toussus-le-Noble but not certain

 

[avion ancien]

If so - how things have changed! However if it is, it seems that the Weymann CTW-231 and the other two aeroplanes have been shoved off into some quiet, shady corner of the aerodrome - because the other known photograph of CTW-231 shows it at the entrance to one of the hangars. That photograph (q.v. http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?99333-Unknown-French-type-captured-by-the-Germans) originated from Avions Hors Serie Nº 24 'La Debacle de Mai-Juin 1940 - ce que trouverent les Allemands en traversant la France' in which it is described as having been captured by the Germans at Toussus-le-Noble along with other aircraft in various states of condition. I do not have a copy of that magazine. But maybe if someone else does, it would be worth taking a look at that to see if there are any other photographs taken at Toussus-le-Noble at the same time and whether these might assist in identifying the aeroplanes to the left and right of the CTW-231 in the photograph posted above.

 

[avion ancien]

On the subject of unidentified French aeroplanes, that depicted below (I apologise for the diminutive size of the image but it was the best I could capture) appeared, a couple of years ago, on le Bon Coin (a French online advertising site) where it was being offered for sale at only a few hundred Euros. It appears to be a Mignet formule design but not one which I recognise. Sadly before I could make enquiries of the seller, the advertisement had been taken down. Can anyone out there identify it?

P.s. I should add that when it was being advertised for sale on le Bon Coin, there was a hyperlink to a video (on, I think, youtube), which showed this aeroplane being taxied frantically around a field, but my attempts subsequently to find this have been entirely unsuccessful.