French Aircraft Specifications 1919-1939

[PhR]

for the year 1933

- Transport aircraft for Air France; Dewoitine D.620,Bloch-300,Romano R.100,Wibault (Wib.330 maybe) and Breguet Br.440?,also maybe Amiot-160 & Amiot-170

Air France was created end of 1933 and launched its first technical program only in February 1934, not in 1933:
3 Feb. 1934: T30 (30-seat transport aircraft for Air-France): D.620, MB.300, Breguet 640, 650, Breguet-Wibault 380, RC.140, F.222, Romano R.100

Also for this competition,the Couzinet AC.120 was involved.

This not possible : AC means Arsenal-Couzinet. The Arsenal de l'Aéronautique was created in 1936, so it cannot have participated to a 1934 program.

 

[hesham]

This not possible : AC means Arsenal-Couzinet. The Arsenal de l'Aéronautique was created in 1936, so it cannot have participated to a 1934 program.

You are right,

I meant RC.120,and not AC.120.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/couzinet-air-couzinet-aircraft-list.31649/

 

[hesham]

*** For 1921


- C.1 single seat fighter : Bernard AB.10,Buscaylet De Monge 5/2,De Marcay 4,Dewoitine D.1 & D.8,
Gourdou-Leseurre GL-30,GL-31 & GL-40,Hanriot HD.12,HD.26 7 HD.27,Letord-Bechereau LB.2,Liore et
Olivier LeO.9,Nieuport-Delage NiD.37 & NiD.40,Potez-XVI,SPAD-41 & SPAD-81,Wibault Wib.3 and Wib.5.


- "BN.4" four seat night bomber; Latecoere Late.4 & Late.5,Farman,Schneider Sch.1 "Henry Paul" and
Breguet Br.21


- "M" marine recce aircraft; Nieuport NiD-33M (no other contenders are known)


- Recce bomber seaplane; Levassuer PL-3,Farman-Blanchard design and Dewoitine D.6


- "BP.2' two seat high altitude bomber ; Latecoere Late.7 (no other contenders are known)


- "HB.5" long range maritime flying boat; Latham HB.5


- "AT-1/2" single/two seat torpedo bomber; Levasseur PL-2,SPAD-39,Hanriot and Nieuport


- "HMT.3" three seat amphibian flying boat; FBA-13


- Transport and airliner aircraft; Breguet XX,Caudron C.74,Farman F.90,Mureaux Mo.10,Nieuport NiD-30T2 and Potez-X


- Torpedo recce bomber; Levassuer PL-2,Farman-Blanchard design,Farman F.50T and Dewoitine D.6

 

[PhR]

You are right,

I meant RC.120,and not AC.120.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/couzinet-air-couzinet-aircraft-list.31649/

That's more logical. However, Couzinet candidate for this program was the RC.140, not the RC.120.

 

[hesham]

*** For 1922


- "HC.I" single seat marine fighter; CAMS-31,Bleriot-101 and Besson MB.21


- "To.2" two seat Colonial; Hanriot HD.24,Latecoere Late.11 and Caudron C.45


- "B.2" two seat day bomber; Farman design


- Racer flying boat; Latham L-1 & L-2,CAMS-36bis & CAMS-38 and Blanchard BB.1 & BB.2


- "HE.2" two seat trainer flying boat; CAMS-30E and FBA-14,FBA-16 & FBA-17HE.2


- ET.2 two-seat basic trainer : SPAD S-62

 

[hesham]

*** For 1923


- "C.1" single seat fighter; Buscalet-Bechereau BB-2,Dewoitine D.9,D.12,D.13,
D.15,D.19 & D.21,Hanriot HD.31,Loire-Gourdou et Leseurre LGL.32,Nieuport Ni.42,Ni.44 & Ni.46,Breguet Br.24,
Wibault Wib.7 & Wib.9,Bernard 12,14 & 15,SPAD S-511,S-512,S-514,S-611,S-612,S-613,S-614
& S-615,Potez 23 & 26,Morane Saulnier MS.46 & MS.49and Gourdou et Leseurre GL.33


- "A.2" two seat observation aircraft; Farman,Temper T.4,Descamps DB-16,Potez 24 & 26,Wibault Wib.10 and Bleriot-108


- "R.3" three seat recce seaplane; Levasseur PL-4,Nieuport Ni.35,Besson MB.24 & MB.26,Percheron
DP-18,CAMS-32R & CAMS-35 and LeO H-10


- "BN.2" two seat night bomber; Dewoitine D.16,Potes 19,Farman F.60,Latecoere Late.6 & Late.19,CPA-1,Liore et Olivier
LeO-7 & LeO-12,Bleriot 103,107 & 117,Schneider 10M/Avimeta 21 and may be Wibault Wib.2


- "HB.3" three seat recce/multi-role flying boat; CAMS-33,CAMS-41,LeO H-13,Latham C-1,FBA-21
Denhaut-Bellanger BD-22,Blanchard Brd.1 and
Blanchard-Bleriot C.1


- "EP.2" two seat primary trainer; Bleriot-Spad S-64,Hanriot HD.14,Morane-Saulnier MS.35,Caudron C.27,
Amiot (SECM) Model-26,Potez-VIII and Farman-Sport


- "ET.1" single seat basic trainer; Nieuport NiD-29E,Caudron C.77,SPAD S-.72,Gourdou-Leseurre GL-22
and Hanriot HD.27


-"AM.3" three seat recce seaplane; Levasseur PL-3,Nieuport NiD-39


- Transport and airliner aircraft; Farman F.3X & F.4S,Buscaylet de Monge 7/2,Potez-XXII,Dewoitine D.14
Caudron C.83,Breguet XXII,Bleriot-105 & Bleriot-115


- "TO.2/3" two/three seat torpedo bomber seaplane; CAMS-44


- "ET.2" two-seat basic trainer, Spad S-62,Caudron C.59,Hanriot HD.19,Morane-Saulnier MS.42 & Amiot SECM-22

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1924


- "AMBC.2" two seat carrier based fighter; Villiers Vil.2,Levasseur PL-5,Nieuport NiD-43 and
Bleriot Bl.118


- "AMC.1" single seat carrier based fighter; Levy-Biche LB.2 & Mureaux Express Marin


- "A.3/R.3b" three seat observation and gunnery spotter aircraft; Levasseur PL-4


- "B.3" three seat day bomber; Berguet Br.23,Potez-20 (P.XX),Farman F.150 and Desmons two designs


- "ET.2" two seat basic trainer; Hanriot HD.32,Morane-Saulnier MS.43,Caudron C.95 and
Farman F.81

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1925


- "R.3" three sear recce aircraft; Villiers Vil.4,Caudron C.101,C,103,C.104 & C.107,Potez-25,
Potez-33,Descamps DB-17 and Wibault Wib.123


- "AMBC.1" single seat carrier based fighter; Villiers Vil.8,Levy-Biche LB.2,Salmson-Bechereau
SB-7 and maybe Nieuport NiD.51


- "C.2" two seat fighter; Breguet Br.25,SPAD S-60 & S-70,De Monge M-101,Dewoitine D.25
Levasseur PL-6,Potez-31,Salmson-Bechereau SB-5 & SB-6,Nieuport Ni.47,
Avimeta Avi.88,ANF-3 & ANF-4,Wibault Wib.8,Wib.12 & Wib,121,
Hanriot HD.33,Villiers Vil.5 & Vil.24 and Descapms D17


- "B2/CN2" two seat night fighter and recce aircraft, Breguet Br.19 B2/CN2,De Monge 8-1


- "BN.4" four seat night bomber; Bleriot-113

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1926


-"C.1" single seat fighter; Amiot-110,Bernard-20,Dewoitine D.27,Gourdou-Leseurre GL-341 &
GL-351,Morane-Saulnier MS.121,MS.221,Nieuport NiD-48,NiD-49,
NiD-72 & NiD-82,SPAD S.91,S.91-1 & S.91-2,Wibault Wib.13,Wib.15,
Wib.160,Wib.170 & Wib.71and De Monge 9-1


-"BN.3" three seat night bomber; Farman F.123,F.130 & F.160,Liore et Olivier LeO-20,Couzinet RC.25,Dewoitine D.16
Latecoere Late.19,Bleriot Bl.123,Dyle et Bacalan DB-10,Amiot-122,
Bleriot-113,and maybe Potez-35


-"HBA.2" observation and recce catapult aircraft; Latham-230,Besson MB.35,Levy-Biche LB-4,Gourdou-
Leseurre L2,Romano R.4,FBA-17HL-1,Villiers Vil.11,CAMS-37
and Percheron DP-?


- Heavy seaplane torpedo bomber; CAMS-44,Liore et Olivier LeO H-151,Dyle et Bacalan DB-11,Desmons
design

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1927


-"B.3" three seat day bomber; Farman F.172


-"HB.3" three seat recce seaplane/flying boat; CAMS-55,Hanriot H.38,SPCA-10 and
Latham 45,47 & 49 and Denhaut Hy.479

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1928


-"C.1" single seat lightweight fighter; Dewoitine D.27 & D.32,Morane-Saulnier MS.222 & MS.223,
SPAD S.911,S.210,S.310 & S.410,Bernard-70,Nieuport NiD-72,
Gourdou-Leseurre GL-410 & GL-450,Loire 40,41 & 42,Wibault
Wib.130,Wib.210 & Wib.270


-"M4" multi seat combat aircraft; Amiot-140,Bleriot Bl-137,Breguet Br.410,Br.411,Br.412 & Br.413,SPCA-30,Dyle et Bacalan DB-20,Nieuport
NiD-53m and Avimeta-120 & 121


- "R.2" two seat recce aircraft; Amiot-130,Breguet Br.330,Latecoere Late.490,Mureaux ANF-110 & ANF-111,Nieuport NiD-580,Potez-37,Weymann Wel-10 & Wel-80 and Wibault Wib.260


- "A.2" two seat observation aircraft; Breguet Br.270 & Br.271,Caudron C.140,
Dyle et Bacalab DB-30,Potez-390,Mureaux ANF-130 & ANF-131,Weymann
Wel-11 and Wib.124 & Wib.125


-"HB.4" four seat recce/bomber seaplane; Latecoere Late.290,Late.430 & Late.440,Nieuport NiD-50,Besson MB-30,SPCA-20,Liore et Olivier LeO H-16,Latecoere,CAMS-52,Dyle et Bacalan DB-40 and LeO H-257,FBA-? and
Villiers Vil.26 (maybe)


-"S.3" three seat recce seaplane; Liore et Olivier LeO H-23,CAMS-80,Latham-63,Romano R-5,CAMS-37/9,Loire-50 and Latecoere Late.410


-"RN.3" three seat night recce aircraft; ANF-Mureaux-120,De Monge M-120,Loire-20 & Loire-30,Wibault Wib.220,Weymann Wel-70 and Breguet Br.320 & Br.321


- Multi engines transport aircraft; Farman F.300,Latecoere Late.350,Wibault Wib.280,Wib.281 & Wib.282,
Bratu 220,Bloch 70,Breguet Br,392,Couzinet RC.40,Dewoitine D.31,Potez 403T, and Bernard-60T & 61T


- Transatlantic South seaplane; Bleriot-5190,Latecoere Late.38,Late.300 & Late.500,LeO H-27,CAMS-58,SPCA Neptune and Breguet Br.510 and may Breguet Br.500 ?


-"BN.4/5" four seat night bomber; Liore et Olivier LeO-203,LeO-206 & LeO-207,Dyle et Bacalan DB-75 (not sure about it),
Farman F.211 and Breguet Br.360

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1928

Here, there is a significant modification. Before, the programs were elaborated directly by the final users. In 1928, the Air Ministry was created, with a dedicated direction to manage these programs.

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1929


-"C.1" ultra light single seat fighter; SPAD S-210 & S-310,Loire-40,Bernard 70,74 & 75,Dewoitine D.37 & D.38


-"HB.4" four seat recce/bomber seaplane; Nieuport NiD-600,Liore et Olivier LeO H-258


-"Postal" postal aircraft; Nieuport NiD-740 & NiD-741,Bleriot Bl-110,Couzinet-28,29 & 30,SPCA-40T,Bloch-60,Boch-61,Bleriot 195/2,Dewoitine D.29,ANF-Mureaux-140T,Albert A.20,Bleriot BZ-4,Breguet Br.380 ?,and Guerchais T.6


-"EP.2" two seat military trainer aircraft; Caudron C.251,Albert A.70,Dewoitine D.48,
LH-30,SPAD-540 and Morane-Saulnier MS.330 & 331


- Ambulance light aircraft; Bloch Bl-80 & 81,Albert A.11,Guillemin JG.15,JG.40,JG.41,Loire-Gourdou-Leseurre GL.23TS,Gourdou et Leseurre GL.25,Lorraine-Hanriot LH-21S,SPCA ?, and Potez 42 & 421

 

[PhR]

-"Postal" postal aircraft; Nieuport NiD-740,Bleriot Bl-110,Couzinet-28,29 & 30,SPCA-40T,Bloch-60,
Bleriot 195/2,Dewoitine D.29,ANF-Mureaux-140T,Albert A.20,Bleriot BZ-4,
Breguet Br.380 ?,and Guerchais T.6

Blériot 110 is a "Grand raid", not a postal aircraft.
To be added: Bloch 61 and NiD 741.
Dewoitine D.29: designed in 1928, more than a year before this program.
Breguet 380: 4-engine transatlantic. No relationship with this program.
BZ-4 was 2-engine, this program was for a 3-engine postal aircraft.
BLériot 195: 4-engine. Does not fit with this program.
I suspect that some other models were not designed for this program: A.20, D-29.

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1929


-"BN.4/5" four seat night bomber; Liore et Olivier LeO-25 and Dyle et Bacalan DB-75 (not sure about it),
Farman F.211 and Breguet Br.360

This correspond to the first editions of BN4 program called "TGP" (Très gros porteurs) in 1928, which became BN5 in 1930, but I have no trace of any edition in 1929. LeO 203, 206 and 207 were presented to this first edition, but no LeO 25.
Breguet 360 was a floatplane, not a BN4..
A lot of other candidates are missing: Amiot, Couzinet RC.90, MB.210, 211, Farman 220, 221, 222, 223, Laté 530, LeO 300, 301, Potez 410, SAB AB.20, 21, 22.

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1929


-"C.1" ultra light single seat fighter; SPAD S-210 & S-310,Loire-40,Bernard 70,73,74 & 75,
Dewoitine D.37 & D.38

Spad 210 and 310 were developped for a potential "Jockey" edition of this C1 program (< 230 hp engine), which was never published.
Missing: Loire 41 and 42.
Bernard 73, 74 and 75 were 100% private designs, never presented to this program. The Bernard 73 was a racer, not a fighter. The Bernard 70, with its Bernard 71 proposed variant, won CEPANA selection the 29 Dec. 1929. Then, the Air Ministry placed an order for 1 S.70 and 1 S.71.

 

[hesham]

Blériot 110 is a "Grand raid", not a postal aircraft.
To be added: Bloch 61 and NiD 741.
Dewoitine D.29: designed in 1928, more than a year before this program.
Breguet 380: 4-engine transatlantic. No relationship with this program.
BZ-4 was 2-engine, this program was for a 3-engine postal aircraft.
BLériot 195: 4-engine. Does not fit with this program.
I suspect that some other models were not designed for this program: A.20, D-29.

Thank you for Bloch 61 and Nieuport 741,for single or two even three and four engines were not the standard
in many cases (not all),for Bleriot,I think it was 111,about Dewoitine 29,i suspected in it also,for Breguet,I think
Br.360T,a landplane projected version may be involved,Bleriot BZ-4 ?,again Bleriot 195/2 ?.

 

[PhR]

for single or two even three and four engines were not the standard in many cases (not all)

The 1928 program specifies the need for a 3-engine night postal aircraft, category F1 (F for Fret).

 

[hesham]

This correspond to the first editions of BN4 program called "TGP" (Très gros porteurs) in 1928, which became BN5 in 1930, but I have no trace of any edition in 1929. LeO 203, 206 and 207 were presented to this first edition, but no LeO 25.
Breguet 360 was a floatplane, not a BN4..
A lot of other candidates are missing: Amiot, Couzinet RC.90, MB.210, 211, Farman 220, 221, 222, 223, Laté 530, LeO 300, 301, Potez 410, SAB AB.20, 21, 22.

OK,I will transfer it to 1928,for Breguet 360,I got it from Retronet site,it could be a project version of Br.360,and I will
edit the BN.5 competition,and transfer it from 1932 to 1930

 

[PhR]

OK,I will transfer it to 1928,for Breguet 360,I got it from Retronet site,it could be a project version of Br.360,and I will
edit the BN.5 competition,and transfer it from 1932 to 1930

Oh, I see. They are maybe mixing with a second BN5 project launched in 1930 for "Bombardier lourd et reconnaissance à flotteurs" (Heavy bomber and reconnaissance floatplane). The candidates were the following: Bernard 340 Bn5, CAMS 60, Farman F.311, Latécoère 550, 551, 610, Lioré et Olivier LeO H204, SAB AB.21 H and SPCA II/20 (PP T3 BN4).

 

[PhR]

for Breguet 360,I got it from Retronet site,it could be a project version of Br.360

I checked on my side and I confirm : Breguet 360 military 3-engine and its civil version Breguet 370 are both floatplanes.

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1930


- "C.1" single seat fighter;Kellner-Bechereau KB.29,Loire 41,42 & 44,Virmoux V.1 & V.2,Dewoitine D.47,D.47bis,D.49,D.49bis,D.50,D.50bis,D.51 & D.52,Wibault Wib.310,Wib.311 & Wib.312,Farman
F.1020 and Latecoere 510


- Seaplane postal transport ; Latecoere Late.380 & Late.381,Villiers Vil.320,SPCA-50,Liore et
Olivier LeO H-27 and Breguet (Shorts) Calcutta


- Police colonial aircraft; Nieuport NiD-570,NiD-590 & NiD-690,Dewoitine D.430,D.431 & D.432 SPCA-81,
Bernard 160 & 161,Loire 11 & 20,Potez-40,-401,-402 & -403,Romano R.16,SAB (Lorraine-Hanriot) LH-70,
Bloch 71 & 120,Weymann Wel 40,60 & 63 and CTW-66,Farman F.196,Caudron C.180 & 181 and also SPCA 43
& 90


- two seat observation catapult-launch seaplane; Romano R.?,Besson MB.41,FBA.?,CAMS-90,
Potez-450,Levasseur PL-11 & PL-12,Gourdou-
Leseurre GL-830 & GL-831 and Bodiansky-30


- Transport seaplane ; Gourdou-Leseurre GL-710,Farman F.310,CAMS-58,Latecoere Late.501,
SPCA-60,Liore et Olivier LeO H-24,Wibault Wib.240 and maybe Bleriot-250


- "A.2" two seat recce aircraft; ANF-Mureauz-110,Latecoere Late.490 & Late.491,Weymann-80,
Breguet Br.330,Lorraine-Hanriot LH-15,Wibault Wib.260 and Potez-37


-"TOR.2/3" two/three seat torpedo bomber seaplane; CAMS-60,Denhaut design and Farman F.210


- Long range maritime flying boat or seaplane; Latecoere Late.520 & Late.521 and Dewoitine HD.46


- BN.5 - five-seat heavy bomber aircraft Lioré et Olivier LeO-300 & LeO-301,
Couzinet RC 63,70,90 & 91, Breguet 580, Amiot 143 & 180, Potez 41M, SAB
AB.20,AB.21 & AB.22, Farman F.220,F.221,F.222 7& F.223,Bloch MB.211,
Latécoère 530, Blériot 227, Morane-Saulnier MS.270

- HB.4 Bomber and recce seaplane; Latecoere 550,551 & 610,SPCA-20,CAMS-60,Bernard-340,Farman F.311
SAB (Bordelaise) AB.21H and Liore et Olivier H-204

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1930

- BN.5 - five-seat heavy bomber aircraft Lioré et Olivier LeO-300 & LeO-301,
Couzinet RC 63,70,90 & 91, Breguet 580, Amiot 143 & 180, Potez 41M, SAB
AB.20,AB.21 & AB.22, Farman F.220,F.221,F.222 7 F.223,Bloch MB.200,MB.210 & MB.211,
Latécoère 530, Blériot 227, Morane-Saulnier MS.270

I need to check in detail this list, but at least the Bloch MB.200 must be removed. It answered to the BN4 program published in 1932, replacing the 1928 program that became BN5, as I explained in my book: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/les-avions-marcel-bloch.42831/
MB.200 and 210 do not answer to the same program. The Bloch MB.211 answered to the 3rd edition of BN4/5 program, first edited in 1928 for BN4 "Gros porteurs", then in 1930 for BN5 "TGP" "Très Gros Porteur" and 3rd one for BN5 in 1933. The Bloch 210 was a Marine prototype. Finally, the MB.211 was selected for BN5 program, but with GR engines. It was then renamed as MB.210.

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1931


- Long range flying boat; Loire-70,CAMS-E32,Latecoere Late 38/6 & Late.580,Breguet Br.520 & Br.521,
Liore et Olivier H-42,Villiers 330, and Latham 43 & 47


- Patrol maritime flying boat; CAMS-110


- "B.5' five seat day bomber aircraft; Bleriot-270 and Bordelaise AB.15


- "BN.3/4" three/four seat night bomber; Bleriot-230 and Wibault Wib.320

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1932


- Light transport and tourist aircraft; Nieuport NiD-84,Farman F.230,
Caudrou C.193 & C.232,Guilemin JG.10,Bleriot-152,Latecoere Late.470,Dewoitine D.36 & D.57 and Gerin design (maybe V.2)

- Civil and tourist amphibian; Romano R-15,Bleriot Bl.290,Loire-50,FBA-310 and Caudrou PV.200

- "TO.3" three engined colonial aircraft; Bloch-70 and Weymann CTW-66

- "ET.2" two seat primary trainer aircraft; Romano R.80,Morane-Saulnier MS.330,Loraine-Hanriot
LH-30,and SEMA 10

- C.1 of 1932 (revised contest),the tenders were;Bleriot-SPAD S-510,Bernard 260,261 & 262,Dewoitine D.370 & D.500,
Lorraine-Hanriot 110,Morane-Saulnier MS.224,MS.225,MS.275,MS.320,MS.325,MS.420 & MS.520,Nieuport NiD-82,
NiD-120,NiD-121 & NiD-122,Loire 43,ANF-Mureaux 170,Gourdou-Leseurre GL-480,GL-481,GL-482 & GL-422

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1932

- "TO.3" three engined colonial aircraft; Bloch-70 and Weymann CTW-66

Fully wrong: The Bloch 70 answers to 1928 T10 program, and CTW.66 to 1930 Col3 program.
I attach my lists of concurrents to both programs.

 

[PhR]

Hello Hesham, can you please explain your method to establish these lists of programs? Did you try to consult the archives of STAé (Service Technique Aéronautique) or other official services that managed these programs?

Most of your specification lists contain some good data, but as I underlined on various examples, I see errors. Some of these lists are wrong, or not at the correct date, some programs do not correspond to the Air Ministry or CEPANA lists... Due to these errors, your lists don't look really reliable. Unfortunately I cannot spend all my time to fix one by one each of these lists.

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1932

- Civil and tourist amphibian; Romano R-15,Bleriot Bl.290,Loire-50,FBA-310 and Caudrou PV.200

As far as I know, there was no program for such category. I never seen it.
They cannot be compared: Loire 50 answers to a military program, and PV200 is significantly lighter than Bl.290 and R.15.

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1931

- "B.5' five seat day bomber aircraft; Bleriot-270 and Bordelaise AB.15

As far as I know, the first B5 specification was published in 1935 and none of these project was presented to it.

 

[PhR]

*** For the year 1931

- Ambulance light aircraft; Bloch Bl-80,Albert A.11,Guillemin JG.40,JG.41,Gourdou et Leseurre GL.23TS,
Hanriot LH-21S and Potez 42 & 421

This specification was published in 1929. You can find more details in my book about Marcel Bloch.
I attach my own list of concurrents. It's almost the same as yours.
"Bl" is for Blériot. Marcel Bloch used "MB" designation.

 

[hesham]

Hello Hesham, can you please explain your method to establish these lists of programs? Did you try to consult the archives of STAé (Service Technique Aéronautique) or other official services that managed these programs?

Most of your specification lists contain some good data, but as I underlined on various examples, I see errors. Some of these lists are wrong, or not at the correct date, some programs do not correspond to the Air Ministry or CEPANA lists... Due to these errors, your lists don't look really reliable. Unfortunately I cannot spend all my time to fix one by one each of these lists.

Dear Philippe,I spent more than 30 years to collect this list,from books and magazines,and for many contests,
I found them in Aviation magazine.

 

[hesham]

What was Guillemin JG.15 ?.

 

[Maveric]

The Gourdou 25 would be interesting... this certainly does not mean the GL.25.

 

[PhR]

What was Guillemin JG.15 ?.

Good question. I need to search in my sources for this program. I only noted: single-engine Salmson 210 or Lorraine 120.
I have not noted JG.15, but only Guillemin 15. I suspect he started before leaving Hanriot.

 

[hesham]

Good question. I need to search in my sources for this program. I only noted: single-engine Salmson 210 or Lorraine 120.
I have not noted JG.15, but only Guillemin 15. I suspect he started before leaving Hanriot.

We know only JG.10 and JG.11.

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1933


- "M5" five seat multi-place combat aircraft; Farman F.420,
Breguet Br.460,Amiot-144,Dewoitine D.420,Bloch-130,Potez
540 & 541,Couzinet RC.190 and SAB (Bordelaise) AB.80


- "A.3" three seat recce aircraft; Weymann CTW-100,Breguet Br.23/230 (second allocated),
Dyle et Bacalan DB-50,Lorraine-Hanriot LH-80 and Couzinet RC.2000


- Three seat recce catapult launch seaplane; CAMS-120,Breguet Br.610,Loire-130,SPAD S.610,
Levasseur PL-200,Gourdou-Leseurre GL-820 and
Liore et Olivier LeO H-43


- Transport aircraft for Air France; Dewoitine D.620,Bloch-300,Romano R.100,Wibault (Wib.330 maybe),Couzinet RC.140
Breguet 640 & 650,Breguet-Wibault 380 and Farman F.222,also maybe Amiot-160 & Amiot-170


- Single seat fighter seaplane; Bernard H.110,Potez-453,Loire-210 and Romano R.90

 

[hesham]

*** For the year 1934


-"C.1" single seat fighter; SPAD S.710,Morane-Saulnier MS.405 & MS.406,Nieuport N.160 & N.161,
Dewoitine D.513 & D.514LP,Loire-250,Bloch MB.150 & MB.151,Makhonine MAK.110,and lightweight fighters;
Caudron-Renault CR.710 & CR.713,ANF-Mureaux-190,Bloch MB.180,Kellner-Bechereau KB.30,Mureaux ANF.190,
Romano R.130 and Arsenal VG.30,VG.31,VG.32


- "C.2/C.3/CN.2" two/three seat fighter and two seat night fighter; Romano R.110,Hanriot H.220,
Potez P-630 & P-631,Breguet Br.690,Loire-Nieuport LN-20,Caudron CR.670,
C.730 &CR.810,Payen Pa.321AC,Dewoitine D.600 & D.601,D.630 &
D.631 and Liore et Olivier LeO-50


- "B.4" four seat bomber aircraft; Breguet Br.580,Dewoitine D.331 & D.337,Bleriot-370,Amiot-340 &
341,Farman F.440,Latecoere Lat.570,Breguet Br.462,Bloch MB.133 &
MB.134,Bernard SAB.90 & SAB.170,Liore et Olivier LeO-45,Dewoitine
D.660,Breguet-Wibault-660,Romano R.120 and Breguet Br.480,
Br.481 & Br.482


- Transatlantic flying boat aircraft; Breguet Br.680,Loire-100,101 & 102,Liore et Olivier H-47,
CAMS-100 & CAMS-150 and Dewoitine HD.700


- Military transport aircraft; Dewoitine D.339,Couzinet-170,Potez-65 and Caudron CR.570

 

[PhR]

Dear Philippe,I spent more than 30 years to collect this list,from books and magazines,and for many contests,
I found them in Aviation magazine.

OK, I see. I have a close approach to yours, for approximately the same amount of time.
Usually I try to start from Ministry archive documents that describe the programs, the list of concurrents, as well as the orders, and based on this I try to complete from more common sources such as publications of the time or historian studies.

 

[PhR]

What was Guillemin JG.15 ?.

This information comes from a document from French National Archives, dated November 20th, 1931, which lists all prototypes under order at that date, category by category.

 

[Apophenia]

Good question. I need to search in my sources for this program. I only noted: single-engine Salmson 210 or Lorraine 120.
I have not noted JG.15, but only Guillemin 15. I suspect he started before leaving Hanriot.

Most intriguing!

From the type number, might we *speculate* that this Guillemin 15 could have been derived from the JG 10? If true, Jean Guillemin may have been trying to develop an Avion sanitaire léger based on the existing wings and empennage of the JG 10.

Again, if true, that suggests an aircraft with a slightly smaller wing than the JG 40 series - ie: 13.00 m span vs 13.50 m with an area of 23 m² vs 25 m². That "Lorraine 120" makes sense - the JG 41 having a Lorraine 5Pc - but I wonder about the "Salmson 210". Might this be a typo? (After all, the Guillemin JG 40 had a 120 ch Salmson 9Nc radial.)