Drones and how to kill them?

Can we use a bundle laser to detect drones. With the laser beam moving up and down and in a circle of 360 degrees

and if they had a drone to bounce the laser beams back
 
Mechinf said:
Over key points you could deploy aerial balloons with hanging nets - remember the WW2 photo's of London with the barrage balloons!
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Heres an even older one,1917 balloon aprons guarding london from german bombers
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So if you can get access to the feed can you also automatically geolocate? Probably that you can also get the altitude and velocity vector the same way...

For example, landscape recognition is already used for discreet penetration.
 
Seems like using a couple of autonomous UCARs to patrol the local skyline and sweep the area with mini gatlings and HPM/lazer close up would be ideal. For defense against drone you'd want endurance and mag capacity. Managing drone swarms sounds all cool until you have to deconflict them.
 
Sineva said:
The israelis appear to have given up on cope cages and come up with a redesigned trophy aps instead
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This might be some help against top attack missiles like the almas or bomber type FPVs,but against kamikaze type FPVs I have my doubts.
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Cope Cages were always a temporary measure till you get a top-attack-capable APS.
 
Sineva said:
This might be some help against top attack missiles like the almas or bomber type FPVs,but against kamikaze type FPVs I have my doubts.
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I'm not surprised, I believed that this was always going to occur, at least as a last line of defence should jamming fail.
 
Alex Hollings from Sandboxx has this short video about this new anti-drone system and it doesn't use lasers:


While several emerging technologies aim to counter the threat posed by drone swarms, one of the most practical solutions is already in service... using advanced guidance to engage drones with existing weapon systems.
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hagaricus said:
Something along the lines of tiny rockets (literally bottle-rocket sized) or some kind of small-calibre recoilless shotgun or rifle that could be carried and used against enemy drones might give rise to the first "fighter drones" The use of nets or grapple hooks might even catch on this time, or some sort of laser blinding or electronic interference.

The parallel to ww1 is striking.. first observation, of actual trenches, no less.. Then bombing, then air-to-air. The fragility of these small drones seems to mirror the wood & doped fabric of early aircraft, stricly speaking, composites are usually fabric in a resin matrix.. Interesting times indeed.
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I see that recoilless shotguns on drones are now a thing..

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I thought I would mention here my thought that smoke dischargers on fighting vehicles could be repurposed to fire some sort of airburst munition, combined with sensors to detect incoming drones and potentially fire automatically.

I had one far-fetched idea that a tiny rimfire machine gun could be invented that would be rendered recoilless by puncturing the back of the case and thus venting backwards, thus making it practical for small drones. I suspect that one is a stretch due to reliability and the fact that drones are now becoming large enough to carry more powerful weapons.
 
It has occurred to me, @Forest Green , that Northrop-Grumman's M-ACE anti-drone system could made even more versatile by adding a suitable laser-designator slaved to its' fire-control system so that in addition to the M230LF Bushmaster cannon the APKWS 2.75" SALH homing missile could be added.
 
The evolution of drones is - crudely - following WW1 fighters. First two recon aircraft looking at each other, then basic air-to-air engagements (pistols), and soon forward firing gun-packs connected to autonomous terminal maneuver.

I tend to think gun systems are going to have to make a come-back. HPM ranges still aren't disclosed and their high cost makes them a high-value target. (Rad-Hard FPV?)
 

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