Drones and how to kill them?

"Aselsan claims that the hard kill AKKOR APS is effective against drones, and published this information a few days ago on its Facebook page.
The adaptation of the APS hard kill AKKOR system to combat drones in the future was already announced by Aselsan some time ago.
We are now waiting for some video from Aselsan confirming the effectiveness of the AKKOR system in combating drones.
Source:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1175518397239050
View: https://facebook.com/aselsan/videos/1175518397239050
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1879206164497408274
View: https://x.com/RyszardJonski/status/1879206164497408274
 
DrRansom said:
The evolution of drones is - crudely - following WW1 fighters. First two recon aircraft looking at each other, then basic air-to-air engagements (pistols), and soon forward firing gun-packs connected to autonomous terminal maneuver.

I tend to think gun systems are going to have to make a come-back. HPM ranges still aren't disclosed and their high cost makes them a high-value target. (Rad-Hard FPV?)
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The challenge is making a gun small enough to be carriable by a drone that can take down a drone. A couple of P90 actions might be adequate, but that's like 12lbs/5kg of load.
 
Scott Kenny said:
The challenge is making a gun small enough to be carriable by a drone that can take down a drone. A couple of P90 actions might be adequate, but that's like 12lbs/5kg of load.
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This is where True Velocity's composite ammo or Textron's caseless ammo would be very useful - the different case or caseless technology can save around 33% of cartridge weight.
 
hagaricus said:
Now that drones are being controlled by fiber optics to negate jamming, would a laser aimed (and how would anything be able to aim that precisely?) at the fiber be sufficient to interrupt the signal?
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No, a light source outside an optical fiber does not interfere with light inside the fiber.

You might successfully cut the fiber, however.
 
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It strikes me that a good near-term solution for the Navy to combat the cheaper kamikaze drones is the APKWS II mounted on Seahawks in the M261.
  • The M261 holds 19 rockets, for 38 per sortie
  • The APKWS II is a relatively-affordable $25k per shot
  • The Navy already has the Seahawk on the destroyers, and APKWS are numerous
  • The Navy would rather destroy threats further from the ship if possible, rather than allowing a drone swarm to come within range of cheaper point-defense systems, but these longer-range effectors are expensive. Even a Sidewinder is at least twice the cost of a Shahed.
  • If you can pick up an incoming Shahed-type attack far enough out, you can launch your Seahawk on alert and whittle down the numbers far from the ship
Improvements could involve things like a Seahawk-mounted HPM for a lower cost per effect, or a large fixed wing drone (somehow recoverable by a destroyer) with better endurance carrying your M261 or other effectors. The Seahawk and the APKWS are already here, though.
 
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Can something like metal storm or multiple tubes in a bundle be used? for destroying drones or for the pipes to be at a certain angle for a greater degree of space clearing
 
GTX said:
Intent - one is definitely to hit a target and one might. Oh, and probably propulsion, speed etc
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Yet, FOG-M was considered as a perfectly viable option, dragging fiber optics all over the battlefield.

And all the wire guided missiles drag their control wires all over the battlefield.



kocovgoce said:
Can something like metal storm or multiple tubes in a bundle be used? for destroying drones or for the pipes to be at a certain angle for a greater degree of space clearing
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If you're using some missile or drone for it, yes.

It's not for drones at a couple KMs away.
 
About 10 years ago, the Russians tested an old patent by Nikola Tesla for transmitting electric current through a small copper wire. The system worked by using a thin wire and passing high-frequency electric energy through it. Sometimes they transmitted it up to 2 km or more at several kilowatts. One of the applications was to use a thin copper wire to charge drones for more hours of hovering.
 
sferrin said:
Are you serious? That sounds comical. Dragging a line all over the battlefield.
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Given that Israel's Spike ATGM family, as well as its foreign derivatives from Iran & North Korea, makes use of a cable over extended ranges, would you also consider those weapons to be "comical"?
 
Joint Soviet Fighter said:
Given that Israel's Spike ATGM family, as well as its foreign derivatives from Iran & North Korea, makes use of a cable over extended ranges, would you also consider those weapons to be "comical"?
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Apples and oranges. Torpedoes use wire guidance but I wouldn't recommend it for SAMs.
 
Joint Soviet Fighter said:
Yes. I was just referring to the many videos that I've seen from The Russian perspective since the introduction of this technique a couple of months ago, iirc, as it's actually pretty widespread.

Sorry about that.
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How do you know which videos are shot from drones that are controlled via fiber optic?
 
I believe that they're usually labeled as such in the videos, but don't quote me on that, as despite having seen plenty of them, I don't exactly go looking for these things. They usually just show up in feeds on various telegram channels that can be viewed without having to join said platform, lol.
 

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