Drones and how to kill them?

[Combat-Master]

Turkey going all-out with its anti-drone systems; new development

Aselsan Korkut-25 point defence system, AURA 200-G AESA Multi-Function Surveillance Radar to detect and track drones also utilising newly developed 25mm x 137 airburst munition

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"ASELSAN SEDA 100-cUAV is an advanced acoustic drone detection system specifically designed to identify and track UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) using sound-based technology. By leveraging sophisticated acoustic sensors, the system can detect and pinpoint drones in real time, even in challenging environments where conventional radar or visual systems may struggle.

Key features:

• Wide detection range: Capable of covering large areas to detect drone activity with high accuracy.
• All-weather performance: Operates effectively in various environmental conditions, including low visibility or noisy surroundings.
• Rapid response: Provides instant alerts and precise tracking information to enhance counter-UAV measures.
• Low-power consumption: Designed for efficiency, it can be deployed in stationary or mobile configurations for flexible use.
• Multi-sensor fusion: Integrates acoustic data with inputs from multiple sensors, significantly improving detection accuracy, minimizing false alarms, and providing more reliable tracking information. "

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KANGAL- FPV drone jamming system

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BUKALEMUN GNSS spoofing system

 

[paralay]

Ka-52 vs drone: https://t.me/vertolatte/8192

 

[Scott Kenny]

Turkey going all-out with its anti-drone systems; new development

Aselsan Korkut-25 point defence system, AURA 200-G AESA Multi-Function Surveillance Radar to detect and track drones also utilising newly developed 25mm x 137 airburst munition

Interesting choice of caliber, getting to be the smallest practical airburst/PFFF caliber.

 

[Combat-Master]

Anduril Lattice Counter Drone System​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX0ji1sAXl8

 

[Combat-Master]

Interesting choice of caliber, getting to be the smallest practical airburst/PFFF caliber.

Some more info on it;


"While developing the land-based 25 mm weapon system, which included the 25×137 mm Atom airburst round, Aselsan engineers had the idea to exploit the new ammunition in the Counter-UAS role, to kill unmanned air systems at range. “We considered weight, in order to be capable to install the Korkut 25 n a wide variety of vehicles, as well as cost,” an Aselsan representative explained to EDR On-Line.

The system lethality is given by a chain that starts with the target detection and ends with its neutralisation, the key element for the latter being the ammunition. The Atom 25 mm round is a pre-fragmented projectile filled with high explosive. From the rear to the front we find the power source, the base fuse with its electronics, the booster and finally the pre-fragmented body. The latter was the subject of deep studies in terms of materiel and pre-fragmentation in order to generate the appropriate cloud of fragments to cause maximum damage to the target, usually a Class 1 drone. While the 35 mm round used on the Korkut is filled with tungsten cylinders, the room available in the 25 mm did not allowed such a solution hence the decision to go for a pre-frag HE ammunition

The 25 mm gun muzzle is fitted with a muzzle brake that includes coils tat allow measuring the velocity of the single round, data being fed into the programming system which generates a current into the last magnetic coil, which programmes the smart fuse by induction before the round leaves the gun. The programming is done on the base of data provided by the tracking system, which determinates the point where the round must be ignited to generate the cloud of fragments, usually a 10-round burst being fired to ensure maximum kill probability. The Korkut 25 turret hosts 200 rounds therefore a single system can carry out 20 engagements before needing to be reloaded."

SAHA Expo 2024 - Aselsan Korkut 25; a C-UAS hard-kill solution for light armoured vehicles - EDR Magazine

Aselsan developed a light solution part of the Korkut air defence systems family: the Korkut 25, installable on a variety of light platforms.

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[Forest Green]

Poland introduces SA-35MM counter-drone air defense system using programmable ammunition

Poland introduces SA-35MM counter-drone air defense system using programmable ammunition

armyrecognition.com

Russian Ka-29 Helicopter Tries to Intercept Marine Drone for Over a Minute and Fails​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPzGpmv96cw

 

[jsport]

Some more info on it;
View attachment 745093

"While developing the land-based 25 mm weapon system, which included the 25×137 mm Atom airburst round, Aselsan engineers had the idea to exploit the new ammunition in the Counter-UAS role, to kill unmanned air systems at range. “We considered weight, in order to be capable to install the Korkut 25 n a wide variety of vehicles, as well as cost,” an Aselsan representative explained to EDR On-Line.

The system lethality is given by a chain that starts with the target detection and ends with its neutralisation, the key element for the latter being the ammunition. The Atom 25 mm round is a pre-fragmented projectile filled with high explosive. From the rear to the front we find the power source, the base fuse with its electronics, the booster and finally the pre-fragmented body. The latter was the subject of deep studies in terms of materiel and pre-fragmentation in order to generate the appropriate cloud of fragments to cause maximum damage to the target, usually a Class 1 drone. While the 35 mm round used on the Korkut is filled with tungsten cylinders, the room available in the 25 mm did not allowed such a solution hence the decision to go for a pre-frag HE ammunition

The 25 mm gun muzzle is fitted with a muzzle brake that includes coils tat allow measuring the velocity of the single round, data being fed into the programming system which generates a current into the last magnetic coil, which programmes the smart fuse by induction before the round leaves the gun. The programming is done on the base of data provided by the tracking system, which determinates the point where the round must be ignited to generate the cloud of fragments, usually a 10-round burst being fired to ensure maximum kill probability. The Korkut 25 turret hosts 200 rounds therefore a single system can carry out 20 engagements before needing to be reloaded."

SAHA Expo 2024 - Aselsan Korkut 25; a C-UAS hard-kill solution for light armoured vehicles - EDR Magazine

Aselsan developed a light solution part of the Korkut air defence systems family: the Korkut 25, installable on a variety of light platforms.

www.edrmagazine.eu

More .militarys getting on board the Swiss & PLA AHEAD, gun based, counter missile- munitions bandwagon.

 

[Scott Kenny]

More .militarys getting on board the Swiss & PLA AHEAD, gun based, counter missile- munitions bandwagon.

AHEAD-style is one of the simpler ways to do an electronically timed fuze. Plus, it gives you the exact MV for that projectile to give you best bursting time.

 

[Combat-Master]

More .militarys getting on board the Swiss & PLA AHEAD, gun based, counter missile- munitions bandwagon.

Turkey is developing layered defence against drones with it's line of airburst munition,

Calibre	Airburst Type	Max Engagement Range
40x53mm ​	500 Steel Sub-Projectiles ​	800m​
25x137mm ​	HE Pre-Fragmented​	+1km​
35×228mm ​	AntiAir Variant 160 Tungsten Sub-Projectiles AntiDrone Variant - 600 Steel Sub-Projectiles ​	+4km​

They were also working on a 20mm calibre with programmable airburst, not sure if they abandoned it in favour of the 25mm.

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Aselsan SARP Dual 40mm Airburst Weapon Station

 

[Forest Green]

Marines Testing Counter-Drone Rifle Aiming System With Automatically Moving Stock

Automated targeting systems that can go on any rifle could help with the push to make every Marine a counter-drone defender.

www.twz.com

 

[Forest Green]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849775412714348561

View: https://x.com/Archer83Able/status/1849775412714348561

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849886870538273023

View: https://x.com/clashreport/status/1849886870538273023

 

[Scott Kenny]

Turkey is developing layered defence against drones with it's line of airburst munition,
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Interesting, I was not expecting 40x53mm to show up as an anti-drone defense.

They were also working on a 20mm calibre with programmable airburst, not sure if they abandoned it in favour of the 25mm.

I expect that they did, 20mm is just too small to fit all the hardened electronics and a useful number of fragments and bursting charge.

 

[publiusr]

Drone tech

Custom Drone Software Searches, Rescues

When a new technology first arrives in people’s hands, it often takes a bit of time before the full capabilities of that technology are realized. In much the same way that many early Internet…

hackaday.com

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-12-uncrewed-aircraft-traffic-visual-line.html

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-12-atmospheric-probe-flight.html

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850569667355545711

View: https://x.com/kvistp/status/1850569667355545711

 

[Forest Green]

Taiwan taps satellite hookups to help down invading drones

"This will help prevent systemic collapse of the core communication network in potential future conflicts,” said the CEO of Tron Future.

www.defensenews.com

 

[yahya]

Using MANPADS?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851359274167124141

View: https://x.com/war_noir/status/1851359274167124141

 

[Forest Green]

Lasers, Microwaves, Missiles, Guns Not On The Table For Domestic Drone Defense

Policy hurdles are limiting what capabilities the U.S. military even wants to consider to help provide critical domestic anti-drone defenses.

www.twz.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852303859713982512

View: https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1852303859713982512

 

[GTX]

Army Coyote Drone Hunting Drones Have Scored 170 Combat Kills

Coyote interceptors represent a key part of the Army's counter-drone arsenal, which it is still trying to expand to tackle evolving threats.

www.twz.com

 

[publiusr]

Drone evolution

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-11-drone-nervous-trialed-scientists.html

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-10-bird-wings-approach-flight-safety.html

Watch: Drones 'as Large as SUVs' Spotted over Staten Island | Coast to Coast AM

Residents of Staten Island have reported seeing giant drones following similar sightings over US military bases and New Jersey.

www.coasttocoastam.com

Submarine Mysteriously Disappears Beneath Antarctic Ice After Discovering Hidden Structures

Beneath the icy expanse of Antarctica, an advanced submersible uncovered stunning underwater structures that could rewrite what we know about polar ice. But just as its groundbreaking mission reached new depths, the vessel vanished without a trace. What secrets lie hidden beneath the ice—and...

dailygalaxy.com

 

[Forest Green]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852480107685838935

View: https://x.com/UKikaski/status/1852480107685838935

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852562601852465187

View: https://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1852562601852465187

 

[jsport]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1798663738662453338

View: https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/1798663738662453338

 

[jsport]

PRC Patent Russian Sketchfab

 

[Forest Green]

Euronaval 2024: MBDA scales up SIMBAD-RC for saturation attacks

At Euronaval 2024, MBDA introduces a new 4 round variant of its remotely-controlled SIMBAD-RC ship self-defence system for saturation attacks

www.navalnews.com

Safran Turns NGDS Decoy Launcher into CIWS with Mistral Missiles - Naval News

Safran is working on a new development of its NGDS trainable decoy launcher which would turn it into a Mistral missile launcher / CIWS...

www.navalnews.com

 

[Forest Green]

Ukraine Introduces New Mavik Interceptor Drones to Counter Russian Quadcopters

Ukraine Introduces New Mavik Interceptor Drones to Counter Russian Quadcopters

armyrecognition.com

Interestingly, something appears to be censored:

 

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topcor.ru

Naval drones a problem? Why, just dump FPVs out the side~

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vk.com

 

[Forest Green]

MARSS showcases advanced AI-driven CUAS system at Red Sands 2024

Los Angeles CA (SPX) Nov 05, 2024 - MARSS, a leader in defense technology, played a prominent role in Red Sands 2024, showcasing its cutting-edge Counter UAS (CUAS) systems. Organized by the US Army DEVCOM, ARCENT, and the Royal

www.spacewar.com

UK Royal Navy Enhances Drone Defense Capabilities with Successful Martlet Missile Test

UK Royal Navy Enhances Drone Defense Capabilities with Successful Martlet Missile Test

armyrecognition.com

 

[Sineva]

Ukraine Introduces New Mavik Interceptor Drones to Counter Russian Quadcopters

Ukraine Introduces New Mavik Interceptor Drones to Counter Russian Quadcopters

armyrecognition.com

Interestingly, something appears to be censored:

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Its one of these net deploying systems,for some reasons they`ve blurred the 4 net weights.

Its actually a lot smaller than I thought if they`re using 2 per drone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812176288746217611

The russians have something similar tho it uses 12 net weights instead of 4 and fires directly downwards

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807859742574010571

 

[Forest Green]

Economic Inefficiency of Using Russian Strela-10 Against Ukrainian Reconnaissance Drones

Economic Inefficiency of Using Russian Strela-10 Against Ukrainian Reconnaissance Drones

armyrecognition.com

 

[siegecrossbow]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854120589205877052

View: https://twitter.com/Nickatgreat1220/status/1854120589205877052

 

[Forest Green]

Massive Chinese Anti-Drone High-Power Microwave Weapon Emerges

China's directed energy counter-drone efforts are building steam with multiple high-power microwave systems featured at this year's Zhuhai Airshow.

www.twz.com

 

[Sineva]

12th MQ-9 shot down over Yemen

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854957406117138877

Sadly we dont get to see the weapon used,its just described as a locally manufactured sam.

 

[Scott Kenny]

12th MQ-9 shot down over Yemen

Oh, look, someone shot down a completely non-stealthy aircraft that doesn't even have defensive systems installed...

 

[Forest Green]

Portable KVERTUS AD MW UAV Jamming Technology as Essential Defense Against Russian Drones

Portable KVERTUS AD MW UAV Jamming Technology as Essential Defense Against Russian Drones

armyrecognition.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823032962809524339

View: https://x.com/epirus/status/1823032962809524339

Breaking News: Japan’s Groundbreaking 10kW High-Power Laser Weapon Truck Enters Service with Japanese Army

Breaking News: Japan’s Groundbreaking 10kW High-Power Laser Weapon Truck Enters Service with Japanese Army

armyrecognition.com

 

[Sineva]

Oh, look, someone shot down a completely non-stealthy aircraft that doesn't even have defensive systems installed...

Well that IS the title of this thread isnt it?,Drones and how to kill them.

But yeah,you`re right.
You`d have thought that they would`ve wised up by now when it came to sending these rather expensive bits of kit into airspace where they`ve been repeatedly shot down.
But then I guess the us military has both money and drones to burn [literally] in abundance.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Well that IS the title of this thread isnt it?,Drones and how to kill them.

But yeah,you`re right.
You`d have thought that they would`ve wised up by now when it came to sending these rather expensive bits of kit into airspace where they`ve been repeatedly shot down.
But then I guess the us military has both money and drones to burn [literally] in abundance.

My guess is that they're trying to pry money for defensive upgrades loose from Congress. Will probably get taken care of next budget cycle, given the flip in party in charge this election.

 

[Forest Green]

Poland Develops Interceptor Missile to Counter Russian-Used Shahed-Class Drones

Poland Develops Interceptor Missile to Counter Russian-Used Shahed-Class Drones

armyrecognition.com

New Soframe HE441 Tactical Vehicle with HELMA-P Anti-Drone Laser Unveiled

New Soframe HE441 Tactical Vehicle with HELMA-P Anti-Drone Laser Unveiled.

armyrecognition.com

Lockheed Martin and Anduril Collaborate to Strengthen Drone Detection and Tracking Capabilities in Middle East

Lockheed Martin and Anduril Collaborate to Strengthen Drone Detection and Tracking Capabilities in Middle East

armyrecognition.com

 

[Forest Green]

US Tests Teledyne Cerberus XL C-UAS to Counter Drone Threats After Success in Ukraine

US Tests Teledyne Cerberus XL C-UAS to Counter Drone Threats After Success in Ukraine

armyrecognition.com

Russia Develops Mobile PRES System to Counter FPV Drones in Ukraine

Russia Develops Mobile PRES System to Counter FPV Drones in Ukraine

armyrecognition.com

Russia develops flamethrower FPV drones to counter Ukrainian UAV attacks

Russia develops flamethrower FPV drones to counter Ukrainian UAV attacks

armyrecognition.com

 

[TomcatViP]

Regarding the Russian flying flamethrower, what a bizarre choice of strategy. Those weapons required a lot of mass to be expelled in a one direction, with a swiveling muzzle head, something challenging to execute from a a small UAV (think Newton's 2nd law).