Dassault Rafale NEWS ONLY

gral_rj said:
https://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br...-cacas-rafale-obus-caesar-e-mais-um-submarino This is just one of the news(in Portuguese) about the subject. The original report was done by journalist Cláudio Dantas, who works for a news channel(Jovem Pan, which grew from a radio station).
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On November 2, I did a search and the original document was the web page of the Brazilian journalist Claudio Dantas in a publication of October 30, but there was no question of a second-hand Rafale.

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A blackfriday de Macron no G20

O G20 será uma grande feira de equipamentos militares. Além da italiana Giorgia Meloni, que quer vender caças leves M346; o presidente francês, Manuel Macron, também vai trazer sua cesta de equipamentos. Na lista, estão 50 helicópteros Airbus 145, 24 caças Rafale, 36 obuseiros sobre rodas Caesar...
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The G20 will be a major trade fair for military equipment. In addition to the Italian Giorgia Meloni, who wants to sell M346 light fighters; French President Manuel Macron will also bring his basket of equipment. On the list are 50 Airbus 145 helicopters, 24 Rafale fighters, 36 Caesar wheeled howitzers and an additional Scorpene submarine.
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Now, the French want to replace the Italian AMX fighters and Blackhawk helicopters purchased from the United States. The current Brazilian military leadership is excited about the resumption of a strategic partnership and Lula's anti-Zionist stance can be taken advantage of by the French.
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And, in the link you provide, the article from October 31, which repeats the article from the Dantas webpage from October 30, does not indicate that it is a question of second-hand Rafale.
 
The oldest Rafales are
-the Aéronavale Rafale M (2001)
-the early Rafale F2 (2004). This is where the second-hand airframe were taken for Greece and Croatia (from memory - the countries).
 
Kurapika444 said:
How many used Rafales do they have in stock? Seems like they've got a lot to spare
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I don't understand "In stock" and "Lot to spare". AFAIK, they are all in service. Now, I don't know the availability (the French Air Force hasn't been allowed to publish availability figures for a few years anyway). Otherwise, all French Rafales must be upgraded to F3R standard: the operation began in 2018, and half were equipped in 2021.

There were 9 Rafale M in tranche 1 (all in service) and 16 Rafale M, 25 Rafale B and 7 Rafale C in tranche 2 (=48) . I don't know the numbering of each of the second-hand aircraft exported, but as Greece and Croatia have ordered, second hand, two Rafale Bs and 10 Rafale Cs, each, there are, mathematically, necessarily Rafale Cs of tranche 3 (12M, 11B and 36C = 59) among those sold to them.
 
Deltafan said:
I don't know the numbering of each of the second-hand aircraft exported
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Here are the 12 used Rafales delivered to Greece and first 6 (of 12) to Croatia.

The two seaters were all 16-17 year old Tranche 2.
The single seaters were all ~12 year old Tranche 3 (except for 1 older T2).

Tranche 2 (delivered 2004-2006)
B305 / 2004
B306 / 2005
B315 / 2006 (Croatia)
B318 / 2006 (Croatia)
C103 / 2005

Tranche 3 (delivered 2009 - 2013)
C111 / 2009
C112 / 2009
C118 / 2010
C120 / 2010
C123 / 2010
C124 / 2010 (Croatia)
C128 / 2011
C131 / 2011 (Croatia)
C134 / 2012
C137 / 2012
C141 / 2013 (Croatia)
C143 / 2013
C144 / 2013 (Croatia)

The first batch of 6 Greek Rafales was transferred in late 2021, the 2nd batch in late 2022/early 2023.
The first batch of 6 Croatian Rafales was transferred in late 2023... 2nd batch expected early 2025.

I expect the 6 remaining Croatian Rafale Cs to also be from Tranche 3, and any future second hand sales to be a similar mix of T2 Rafale B and T3 Rafale C.
 
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Deltafan said:
On November 2, I did a search and the original document was the web page of the Brazilian journalist Claudio Dantas in a publication of October 30, but there was no question of a second-hand Rafale.

claudiodantas.com.br

A blackfriday de Macron no G20

O G20 será uma grande feira de equipamentos militares. Além da italiana Giorgia Meloni, que quer vender caças leves M346; o presidente francês, Manuel Macron, também vai trazer sua cesta de equipamentos. Na lista, estão 50 helicópteros Airbus 145, 24 caças Rafale, 36 obuseiros sobre rodas Caesar...
claudiodantas.com.br claudiodantas.com.br



And, in the link you provide, the article from October 31, which repeats the article from the Dantas webpage from October 30, does not indicate that it is a question of second-hand Rafale.
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Did some checking back. You are right, the original article, and the one I mentioned, do not say 'used' aircraft. I think it was some editorializing on part of the place I first heard the news.
 
The French government are quite happy to help Rafale sales by handing over existing ones from their own military for a knock down price and buying brand new ones for themselves from Dassault. Keeps the production lines going.
 
How many Rafale will have the french AdlAE in the next decade?

« Les livraisons des Rafale doivent être programmées dans cette optique en vue de remplacer les flottes Mirage 2000-5 et Mirage 2000D rénovés [retrait en 2035]. Or, la LPM 2024-2030 fixe à 137 le nombre de Rafale dont disposera l’AAE à l’horizon 2030, soit 48 avions de moins que la cible de 185 Rafale fixée par la LPM 2019-2025. La perte récente de 2 Rafale B et les hypothèses de cessions de Mirage 2000-5 aux FAU laissent présager à ce stade de la programmation un passage sous les 185 avions de chasse pendant 10 ans [2026-2036] », a souligné le rapporteur.
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"Rafale deliveries must be scheduled with this in mind in order to replace the renovated Mirage 2000-5 and Mirage 2000D fleets [withdrawal in 2035]. However, the 2024-2030 LPM sets the number of Rafales that the AAE will have at 137 by 2030, i.e. 48 aircraft less than the target of 185 Rafales set by the 2019-2025 LPM. The recent loss of 2 Rafale Bs and the hypotheses of Mirage 2000-5 transfers to the FAU suggest at this stage of the programming a drop below 185 fighter aircraft for 10 years [2026-2036]", the rapporteur stressed.
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La France livrera finalement six Mirage 2000-5F à l'Ukraine - Zone Militaire

En janvier 2023, quand le débat portait sur la cession de chars Leopard 2 et Abrams à l'armée ukrainienne, la France fit savoir qu'il n'était pas question
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"Rafale deliveries must be scheduled with this in mind in order to replace the renovated Mirage 2000-5 and Mirage 2000D fleets [withdrawal in 2035]. However, the 2024-2030 LPM sets the number of Rafales that the AAE will have at 137 by 2030, i.e. 48 aircraft less than the target of 185 Rafales set by the 2019-2025 LPM.
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The LPM basically pushed the 185 target by five years, to 2035.
The recent loss of 2 Rafale Bs and the hypotheses of Mirage 2000-5 transfers to the FAU suggest at this stage of the programming a drop below 185 fighter aircraft for 10 years [2026-2036]", the rapporteur stressed.
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Damn. This is exactly what I've been saying for a while. France presently (and in the near-term future) doesn't have enough Rafales in service and ordered : to afford the luxury of divesting whatever Mirage 2000s left - the -5F and the -D fleets.

The two major issues are
-the 30 * 2000-5F fleet is being divested to Ukraine in 2025 - rather than being retired in 2035 in France, replaced by Rafales
-the 185 target Rafale fleet for the AdA has been pushed from 2030 to 2035

No surprise that at some point around 2030 there is a gap.
 
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