beautiful!I believe this is the last iteration (there were two) of the Kaiser/Rockwell Collins Helmet Integrated Display Sighting System (HIDSS) prototypes for the Comanche before it was cancelled in 2004.
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First Kaiser helmet mounted sights for Comanche: Wide-Eye
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beautiful!I believe this is the last iteration (there were two) of the Kaiser/Rockwell Collins Helmet Integrated Display Sighting System (HIDSS) prototypes for the Comanche before it was cancelled in 2004.
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First Kaiser helmet mounted sights for Comanche: Wide-Eye
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I never did understand why that program was cancelled
Spot on the funding re UOR (Urgent Operational Requirement) was needed for sustainability / modification of the AH-64A/D, A/OH-58D, UH-60A/L, CH-47D in SW Asia.beautiful!I believe this is the last iteration (there were two) of the Kaiser/Rockwell Collins Helmet Integrated Display Sighting System (HIDSS) prototypes for the Comanche before it was cancelled in 2004.
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First Kaiser helmet mounted sights for Comanche: Wide-Eye
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I never did understand why that program was cancelled
i suspect that Comanche was cancelled because the US Army was too busy fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Factories were very busy overhauling helicopters that had "timed-out" in war zones. They even striped helicopters from Army Reserve and National Guard squadrons to keep up numbers in war zones.
why has it never been revisited by another branch like the navy, or marines?
Which doesn't seem to have been true judging from all of the programs to replace the Kiowa since then.I believe the Army also stated that the availability of UAS assets and the future of these technologies would offset the loss of the RAH-66's planned observation role when cancelled.
Pentagon Says It Plans to Kill Copter Program (Published 2004)
Pentagon cancels $38-billion Comanche helicopter program, weapons system from cold war era that was decades behind in development and faltered in face of new technology and concerns about military costs and budget deficits; program, which began in 1983 and did not produce single operational...www.nytimes.com
Agreed. The savings from the cancellation were supposed to go into the modernization of the Army's AH-64 and UAS. The UAS component certainly has expanded since then, but lacks the flexibility, situational awareness, and multi-tasking that a crewed OH-58 brought to the battlefield. FARA is the first and hopefully successful clean-sheet design for an OH-58's replacement since Comanche.
Which doesn't seem to have been true judging from all of the programs to replace the Kiowa since then.I believe the Army also stated that the availability of UAS assets and the future of these technologies would offset the loss of the RAH-66's planned observation role when cancelled.
Starlink is already in play, and the USSF is putting up a Transport Layer (one of the contractors is, you guessed it, Starlink) for a Starlink of their own.BANDWIDTH
Well at least we can agree that we think the other has it essentially backwards.I think you have it backwards. Drones seem to be rather effective against ADA in Syria, and seem very specialized towards tactical surveillance and observation.
Getting close to a ADA system also doesn't matter much with them, since there's no one to be killed, and drones are significantly cheaper than a attack helicopter crew and airframe, as well as the costs of recovering or rescuing the pilots when they're shot down. They also can fly substantially more often than an attack helicopter. These are all beneficial for reconnaissance.
The root issue is really that the roles of a manned recon and manned attack helicopter have merged in relative performance since the '80's. It used to be that recon helicopters used visual detection and "fly near the thing" to get machine guns to shoot. Then they started growing FLIRs. Then the FLIRs and sensors became better than the gunship's, then Comanche gets canceled and its sensors are rolled into AH-64. There's nothing a recon helicopter can do that an attack helicopter can't these days, and recon choppers (like Comanche, OH-1 Ninja, et cetera) tend to cost almost as much as them anyway.
Of course you can reduce the sensor requirement by making it so that you deliberately put the thing in harm's way, i.e. flying within weapon range of a missile or cannon, and looking for them through a camera. That's unacceptable for a reconnaissance helicopter. It's workable for a drone. Drones are also cheaper to operate, maintain, and train to fly than an attack helicopter. They can be controlled through multiple bands, too, such as UHF or SHF/EHF, and all three. Tactical jamming isn't a panacea against the drone threat. It's pretty much impossible to jam a SHF link, for one, and patching software to get rid of exploits that led to things like the RQ-170 loss already happen, which is why no one has replicated it.
If the drone's purpose is tactical reconnaissance for a gunship then it can just be paired with the gunship. It doesn't literally have to be a Grey Eagle, it can be something like the A160 Hummingbird, or an RQ-7 Shadow, or whatever. The gunner can fly the drone over suspect areas to draw fire like the Loaches did in Vietnam, and then kill those things with long range missiles. Target marked by the burning robot. It's more a return to form in practice I guess.
The only thing it requires is making drones relatively (to a helicopter) cheap. Turkey does this, so it's not impossible that America can as well.
If FARA were to be a replacement for AH-64 then it would probably make sense, though, but it's always been discussed as a supplement or companion to AH-64. Seems relatively backwards thinking, since FARA will likely carry better everything than AH-64 at the end of the day, without being either significant cheaper to buy or operate (assuming it isn't more expensive in the first place).
Do you have the Operational Capability # 23 report, or at lest the specifications it requires? Iv been looking and nothing is coming up.yasotay said:The decision to go with a conventional helicopter was dictated by the Secretary of the Army. Fearing a long process to bring new technology to fruition, it was directed. RAND Corp. did a study on ten attributes for the aircraft and used senior Army aviation (warrant) officers to do the simulation runs to compare a conventional rotorcraft and a tilt rotor LHX. At the end of the study these officer had assessed that six of ten were performed better by the tilt rotor, two were tied and two were better executed by the conventional rotorcraft. Ironically the two done better by standard rotorcraft were reconnaissance and security missions. The SecArmy's position was validated. RAND recommended a conventional helicopter for the mission be built but that the Army continue to look seriously at tilt rotor technology for other missions. A recommendation promptly ignored, other than a conventional rotorcraft.
If both the Army and the Marine Corps had gone to tilt rotor a number of rotorcraft industries would have been at risk of going out of business due to inability to compete with the new technology.
Basically agree. Points of contention would be that there wasn't much to indicate that a Tilt-Rotor would take longer to develop than a conventional brand new helo Sikorsky, BTW, originally proposed an ABC aircraft with a V-Tail, but that wouldn't have gone very far because of the high risk associated with the design.
Requirement of Operational Capability # 23, the foundation of the original LHX solicitation, asked for so much that it's doubtful that anything but a Tilt-Rotor could have pulled it off. there was some thought that the requirement would be split into two: LHX-Scat, which is basically what eventually became in less capable form the RAH-66 and would probably be a Tilt-Rotor, and LHX-Util, which would have some of the requirements backed off to let conventional helos have a chance. LHX-Util eventually got dropped from the program. However, the the Army, again for reasons not disclosed, unilaterally over three additional ROCs lowered the requirements (not just speed) to a point where a conventional rotorcraft was viable. In fact, the final solicitation included constraints (max aircraft weight and max engine power, among others ) that made it impossible for a Tilt-Rotor to meet. Ironically, Comanche missed those requirements and they had to be relaxed to a point where a Tilt-Rotor was viable. To make sure that the message got across, the solicitation specifically required a conventional rotorcraft.
As you intimated, the purpose of the RAND study was to validate the decision that had already been made. Tilt-Rotor still came out better 83% of the time, and that's assuming the conventional rotorcraft met its promises. Keep in mind that LHX-Scat involved much more than just recon, but all other missions were ignored in the justification if a conventional helo didn't come out on top. Didn't matter, they got the answer they wanted. So, Bell and Boeing walked away from Tilt-Rotor and bid conventional helos, teaming up with MDD Helicopters and Sikorsky, respectively. I wonder if the reason that SuperTeam lost was because its NOTAR might not have been as "conventional" as Sikorsky's shrouded tail rotor?
I absolutely agree with your last sentence, that is my personal belief for the motivation behind lowering the requirements. To me that's just sad...if you've got the better technology and are willing to invest your own money in it (as Bell and Boeing did), then you should reap the rewards.
When fielded, the Comanche will synchronize joint and Army sensors and weapons with situational understanding. This will allow combat leaders to See First, Understand First, Act First, and Finish Decisively ... while reducing the risk of fratricide. The technology evolving with the Army’s Future Combat Systems (FCS) will provide Comanche with enablers to control a wide range of nonorganic threats including robotic guns, loitering attack munitions, and precision attack missiles. Moreover, Comanche will interface with un-manned aerial vehicles, unattended internetted sensors, hyperspectral imagery, and cue joint/combined command and control (C2).
We are prepared for the arrival of the Comanche in the year 2009. Comanche will be a revolutionary cornerstone of the objective force and this networked C4ISR system architecture. It will provide the essential situational curiosity and judgment - you don't get that in an unmanned system--the situational curiosity and judgment that only comes with manned surveillance and reconnaissance assets. Augmented with unmanned aerial vehicles, Comanche will transform army aviation's contributions to the joint warfight by satisfying our most critical, current battlefield deficiency--armed reconnaissance.
General Eric Shinseki, October 22, 2002, AUSA Speech
I spent a lot of time working with the RAH-66. Much of it with simulation work. The cockpit and MEP was by far the most advanced for a rotorcraft. While I did not fly the Comanche I knew many of the Army aviators who did work the actual aircraft. It was a good flying bird, even with it being very overweight.
The Army did make the right decision to cancel the program. The funding from Comanche will now allow for ~300 ARH(Bell 407), ~300 LUH(BK 117), 40 JCA(C-27J), new CH-47F, new UH-60M, new ASE and other kit. While the money does not buy all of the airframes I mention, you can get an idea of how much money was tied into one program.
Before I get on a dissertation of the impact of Comanche on the US rotorcraft technology sector, I think buried somewhere on my hard drive at work, I have a three view of the EMD/LRIP aircraft configuration. If memory serves me, the most outstanding visible differences had to do with the canopy layout and the addition of increased air inlet size (immediately below the engine inlet) to provide more ambient air to the IR suppression.
Edit: found the three view for EMD/LRIP. Hope this is what you are looking for...