Boeing F-15EX/QA and related variants

isayyo2 said:
siegecrossbow said:
The F-15J airframes are very old, with the newest built in the late 1990s. It’s probably better for them to either acquire F-15X or indigenize airframe/engine production.
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They're old, but like the Saudi C/Ds how many flight hours have been racked up? I'd guess it's a bit lower than what the USAF has been through. Japan's J birds are almost bone stock MSIPs minus some IFF mods, they're still flying with APG-63V1s at best and they do not have Link 16 whatsoever...
New build EXs would be a great option no doubt, but how many could they afford?
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Probably several magnitudes higher than Saudi Arabia, which is under no challenge from hostile regional air forces. The only major one I can think of is Iran, which does not operate strategic bombers.


When an airframe is used that much, it becomes more of a maintenance liability than an actual asset. Cost may not be as big of an issue if the U.S. purchases the F-15EX in large numbers and other customers like Saudi Arabia, South Korea, or Singapore express interest. Once several production lines are in place, cost per aircraft can be reduced dramatically.
 
If they tie the buy into the usaf acqusition it would be far more cost effective I agree. There is still a market around the lexx developed nations for the airframes they already have.
 
bob225 said:
Not 100% sure where to put this, feel free to move.

F-15 pilot thanks spotter who raised the alarm when he spotted F-15 trailing sparks:

www.bbc.co.uk

Pilot praises RAF Lakenheath plane spotter for saving his life

Ian Simpson alerts an airbase after seeing sparks and flames coming from the rear of a jet.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The USAF have a very good relationship with the local spotter community, and with the photographers over in the Mach Loop. If its someones last flight through the loop they'll tip the regulars there off, do a very low run through, with the cockpit tipped towards where the photographers are and get sent the hi-res pics back in return as a keepsake.
 
Returning to the AIM-120 for a moment.

If I remember accurately, one of the changes introduced with the D was a repackaging of the electronics in a more circular layout to free up space in the center for more fuel. Then it was decided not to put in the extra fuel after all and range increase was mostly attributed to flying, "...a more optimum profile.

True or fals? And, if true, that void should still be there and maybe they could start using it if they want to increase range.
 
siegecrossbow said:
BlackBat242 said:
fightingirish said:
Slightly off-topic, but Japan is cleared to transform 98 of its F-15J Eagles into "Japanese Super Interceptors".
Link: https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/japan-f-15j-modernization
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Funding suspended: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/12/national/2021-budget-f-15/
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I feel Japan does need a fighter that performs the “grunt work” of long range naval patrol and interception even as its fleet shifts to F-35s and perhaps the F-3 once that’s ready. Scrambling fifth generation aircraft, which are maintenance heavy and expensive, against Bears and H-6s is not the best use of defense budget. This is why I think USAF’s decision to invest in the F-15X is justified.

The F-15J airframes are very old, with the newest built in the late 1990s. It’s probably better for them to either acquire F-15X or indigenize airframe/engine production.
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Japan is one of our most important allies in the region. I say no way do they need flying radar reflectors. Time to get into this century. Maybe a less advanced egad is appropriate but then you have to spend the money to develop a new variant .
 
Now that we know the model number for this variant, I've updated the thread title so that this thread focuses on the QA and EX (which are related).
In the Japanese thread, I wrote that the JPN government is planning to standardize around 3 combat aircraft. the F-35, the next gen Japanese aircraft, and an advance F-15 model. I suspect it could possibly be some variant of the EX as well.
 
helmutkohl said:
Now that we know the model number for this variant, I've updated the thread title so that this thread focuses on the QA and EX (which are related).
In the Japanese thread, I wrote that the JPN government is planning to standardize around 3 combat aircraft. the F-35, the next gen Japanese aircraft, and an advance F-15 model. I suspect it could possibly be some variant of the EX as well.
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Is it possible Mitsubishi's tooling still exists? That would certainly speed up an F-15EJ (EXJ?) production run.
 
isayyo2 said:
helmutkohl said:
Now that we know the model number for this variant, I've updated the thread title so that this thread focuses on the QA and EX (which are related).
In the Japanese thread, I wrote that the JPN government is planning to standardize around 3 combat aircraft. the F-35, the next gen Japanese aircraft, and an advance F-15 model. I suspect it could possibly be some variant of the EX as well.
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Is it possible Mitsubishi's tooling still exists? That would certainly speed up an F-15EJ (EXJ?) production run.
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Tooling isn't the problem it's certifying all the custom Japanese electronics and having to pay for all of that one time engineering work.
 
F-14D said:
Returning to the AIM-120 for a moment.

If I remember accurately, one of the changes introduced with the D was a repackaging of the electronics in a more circular layout to free up space in the center for more fuel. Then it was decided not to put in the extra fuel after all and range increase was mostly attributed to flying, "...a more optimum profile.

True or fals? And, if true, that void should still be there and maybe they could start using it if they want to increase range.
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I'm more interested in whether the dual-pulse motor rumor was true.
 
Mark Nankivil said:
Had 4 QAs fly over in formation at relatively low altitude Tuesday - been a while since I have seen and especially heard that! Assuming they were practicing for this event or showing the Boss what they had.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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Turns out they were giving VIP rides to the Bosses.... Mark
 
slightly off topic

but how does everyone here feel about merging the classic F-15 and the advanced F-15 threads into one mega F-15 thread?

at least for this section, the number of posts for the classic F-15 is actually not that many.
but we do have quite a few F-15 related threads in A&S that should be merged one way or another
 
helmutkohl said:
slightly off topic

but how does everyone here feel about merging the classic F-15 and the advanced F-15 threads into one mega F-15 thread?

at least for this section, the number of posts for the classic F-15 is actually not that many.
but we do have quite a few F-15 related threads in A&S that should be merged one way or another
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Burn the heretic!!!!!

:)
 
helmutkohl said:
slightly off topic

but how does everyone here feel about merging the classic F-15 and the advanced F-15 threads into one mega F-15 thread?

at least for this section, the number of posts for the classic F-15 is actually not that many.
but we do have quite a few F-15 related threads in A&S that should be merged one way or another
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I'll have to say "Pass" as a 20+ page mega thread isn't alway conductive for research.
However, if we ever get that "view all pages" feature again I'd be for it ;)
 
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
 
I think that sort of information would be very deliberately kept vague. No reason for us plebs to know that sort of thing.
 
NMaude said:
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
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Any US Government contract award will tell you what state the work will be done in (usually broken down by percentage).
 
TomS said:
NMaude said:
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
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Any US Government contract award will tell you what state the work will be done in (usually broken down by percentage).
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Would you please elaborate as I haven't looked at any such contracts, so where are these power-plants produced?
 
TomS said:
NMaude said:
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
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Any US Government contract award will tell you what state the work will be done in (usually broken down by percentage).
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Anymore they try to spread things out to as many states as possible. Do they include where final assembly is done, typically?
 
NMaude said:
TomS said:
NMaude said:
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
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Any US Government contract award will tell you what state the work will be done in (usually broken down by percentage).
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Would you please elaborate as I haven't looked at any such contracts, so where are these power-plants produced?
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Fom https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2707824/source/GovDelivery

Raytheon Technologies Corp., East Hartford, Connecticut, has been awarded a $212,053,200 delivery order against the F100 production program’s indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for F100-PW-229 install engines. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut
 
philip.morten said:
NMaude said:
TomS said:
NMaude said:
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
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Any US Government contract award will tell you what state the work will be done in (usually broken down by percentage).
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Would you please elaborate as I haven't looked at any such contracts, so where are these power-plants produced?
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Fom https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/2707824/source/GovDelivery

Raytheon Technologies Corp., East Hartford, Connecticut, has been awarded a $212,053,200 delivery order against the F100 production program’s indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for F100-PW-229 install engines. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut
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Does Raytheon own P&W now? :confused:
 
sferrin said:
Does Raytheon own P&W now? :confused:
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Technically, United Technologies (which owns PW) bought Raytheon back in 2019, and then merged PW into Raytheon. In practice, yeah. UT sold off its non-defense businesses (Otis and Carrier) in the process of buying Raytheon, so the only major parts left were PW and Collins.
 
NMaude said:
I have a question concerning the Pratt&Whitney F100 and the General Electric engines and that is where exactly are they made in the US? I've tried looking on the wikipedia but the articles concerning their makers are vague as to where they're actually built.
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It's my understanding that the GE fighter engines are made in Lynn, Mass with the P&W in Hartford, CT. In both cases, the parts within the engines themselves are made all over the country.
 
As a currently-qualified F-15E pilot, Kelly accomplished his F-15EX flight after completing the requisite academic and simulator training. Kelly, completed this conversion qualification to gain a first-hand perspective of the unique attributes and capabilities the F-15EX brings to the fight.

“When folks talk about 4th and 5th gen fighters, it’s important to zero out the ambiguity of exactly ‘what’ they are referring to,” Kelly said. “Are we talking signature, avionics, sensors/sensor fusion, and weapons? Because there is absolutely zero doubt that 4th gen aircraft equipped with 5th gen sensors, avionics, and weapons bring disruptive and decisive effects to a peer fight.”
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www.eglin.af.mil

ACC commander completes F-15EX qualification

Gen. Mark Kelly flew the Eagle II for the first time Sept. 1.
www.eglin.af.mil
 
In its first major exercise, two F-15EXs flew during Northern Edge 21 in Alaska in May. Six pilots flew 33 sorties covering nearly 90 total flight hours.

“We were able to get higher and faster than the F-15Cs due to the GE-129 motors,” Lt. Col. Weston Turner, director of the F-15 Division at the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center, said in a press release shortly after Northern Edge concluded. “The expanded capabilities … and enhanced avionics brought significantly increased situational awareness and capabilities to the exercise.”
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www.airforcemag.com

Why is GE's F110-129 the Best Engine for USAF's F-15EX? | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Air Force is rolling out the newest version of the F-15, the new F-15EX Eagle II, and the benefits of the GE F110-129 have never been plainer.
www.airforcemag.com www.airforcemag.com
 
TomcatViP said:
In its first major exercise, two F-15EXs flew during Northern Edge 21 in Alaska in May. Six pilots flew 33 sorties covering nearly 90 total flight hours.

“We were able to get higher and faster than the F-15Cs due to the GE-129 motors,” Lt. Col. Weston Turner, director of the F-15 Division at the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center, said in a press release shortly after Northern Edge concluded. “The expanded capabilities … and enhanced avionics brought significantly increased situational awareness and capabilities to the exercise.”
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www.airforcemag.com

Why is GE's F110-129 the Best Engine for USAF's F-15EX? | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Air Force is rolling out the newest version of the F-15, the new F-15EX Eagle II, and the benefits of the GE F110-129 have never been plainer.
www.airforcemag.com www.airforcemag.com
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Now put -132s in it. ;)
 
TomcatViP said:
In its first major exercise, two F-15EXs flew during Northern Edge 21 in Alaska in May. Six pilots flew 33 sorties covering nearly 90 total flight hours.

“We were able to get higher and faster than the F-15Cs due to the GE-129 motors,” Lt. Col. Weston Turner, director of the F-15 Division at the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center, said in a press release shortly after Northern Edge concluded. “The expanded capabilities … and enhanced avionics brought significantly increased situational awareness and capabilities to the exercise.”
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www.airforcemag.com

Why is GE's F110-129 the Best Engine for USAF's F-15EX? | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Air Force is rolling out the newest version of the F-15, the new F-15EX Eagle II, and the benefits of the GE F110-129 have never been plainer.
www.airforcemag.com www.airforcemag.com
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Pretty much the same performance as F-15E configured for air to air with PW229 engines. No surprises there….
 
TomcatViP said:
In its first major exercise, two F-15EXs flew during Northern Edge 21 in Alaska in May. Six pilots flew 33 sorties covering nearly 90 total flight hours.

“We were able to get higher and faster than the F-15Cs due to the GE-129 motors,” Lt. Col. Weston Turner, director of the F-15 Division at the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center, said in a press release shortly after Northern Edge concluded. “The expanded capabilities … and enhanced avionics brought significantly increased situational awareness and capabilities to the exercise.”
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www.airforcemag.com

Why is GE's F110-129 the Best Engine for USAF's F-15EX? | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Air Force is rolling out the newest version of the F-15, the new F-15EX Eagle II, and the benefits of the GE F110-129 have never been plainer.
www.airforcemag.com www.airforcemag.com
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F-15EX Eagle II? Allrighty then.
 
India to manufacture unspecified structural parts for the Eagle II program in Bengaluru:

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Bengaluru firm Dynamatic Technologies to make aerostructure assemblies for Boeing's F-15EX Eagle II fighter aircraft

Dynamatic Technologies MD & CEO Udayant Malhoutra said, “Dynamatic has been associated closely with Boeing as a strategic tier-1 supplier partner for over a decade. The award for manufacturing aerostructures for the F-15EX Eagle II to Dynamatic is a testimony of our partnership with Boeing.”
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
 
aim9xray said:
TomcatViP said:
In its first major exercise, two F-15EXs flew during Northern Edge 21 in Alaska in May. Six pilots flew 33 sorties covering nearly 90 total flight hours.

“We were able to get higher and faster than the F-15Cs due to the GE-129 motors,” Lt. Col. Weston Turner, director of the F-15 Division at the Air National Guard/Air Force Reserve Test Center, said in a press release shortly after Northern Edge concluded. “The expanded capabilities … and enhanced avionics brought significantly increased situational awareness and capabilities to the exercise.”
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www.airforcemag.com

Why is GE's F110-129 the Best Engine for USAF's F-15EX? | Air & Space Forces Magazine

The Air Force is rolling out the newest version of the F-15, the new F-15EX Eagle II, and the benefits of the GE F110-129 have never been plainer.
www.airforcemag.com www.airforcemag.com
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F-15EX Eagle II? Allrighty then.
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Some versions of the F-8 Crusader were called "Crusader 2" so it's not entirely unprecedented. (Still marketing wank though.)
 

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