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[Deleted member 4286]

I speedily found that; never saw any internal picture of the domestic version. Will try to find some more info.

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[Deleted member 4286]

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[blackkite]

Hi!

https://www.deviantart.com/rlkitterman/art/Lockheed-L-2000-Wind-Tunnel-Model-559086562

Lockheed L-2000 – Found And Explained

foundandexplained.com

 

[blackkite]

https://www.hotcars.com/the-l2000-lockheeds-lost-supersonic-transport/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623852833291534339

View: https://twitter.com/SFOMuseum/status/1623852833291534339/photo/1
https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/2019/03/14/lockheed-l-2000-visions-of-a-future-not-realized/

 

[Deleted member 4286]

The fixed wing version of the 2707 had no longer any 7 abreast version

 

[Deleted member 4286]

The fixed wing version of the 2707 had no longer any 7 abreast versionView attachment 723940

BUT a seven abreast version was later reintroduced on the fixed wing version

 

[Deleted member 4286]

https://www.hotcars.com/the-l2000-lockheeds-lost-supersonic-transport/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623852833291534339

View: https://twitter.com/SFOMuseum/status/1623852833291534339/photo/1
https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/2019/03/14/lockheed-l-2000-visions-of-a-future-not-realized/

The most beautiful American SST projects!

 

[Deleted member 4286]

The most beautiful American SST projects!

There was also a planned domestic version of the L 2000; but 5 abreast seating only.

 

[Deleted member 4286]

There was also a planned domestic version of the L 2000; but 5 abreast seating only.View attachment 723966

 

[uk 75]

Quite frankly, the model is gorgeous, and I am happy Hesham did post it.

The models are excellent and reasonably priced

Pardon our interruption...

Any livery of your choice is available.

 

[landerso47]

I speedily found that; never saw any internal picture of the domestic version. Will try to find some more info.

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Thanks for looking. I have always been curious as to the design of the 321 passenger B2707-300 7 abreast model, especially we have all seen multiple stages of the 5 abreast prototype and the 6 abreast commercial versions. I figure if there is an illustration or model it's at the Boeing Archives. Even aviation week doesn't have anything. I tried to do it myself and I realized I should never try that again.

 

[landerso47]

I apologize for this hideous cropping but someone else that I personally know didn't understand what I meant by high capacity domestic model. This is it. This would have been American's NY to LA route as example. Or Easterns's NY to FL. Coupled with the last minute idea of turbofans and downgrade to mach 2.2 I've always thought this would have sold as many models as the 234 passenger 5 abreast one. Again I apologize for the high school level crop.

 

[landerso47]

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Has anyone ever seen a line drawing, plan, model or anything of the Boeing 2707-300 wide body 7 abreast 321 passenger variant? We have all seen the 280 foot 234 passenger, 286 foot 258 passenger, and the 298 foot 298 passenger versions. So I'm thinking Their had to be at least one illustration of the high capacity domestic variant.

I think I found one illustration of the domestic version. It does fit the dimensions even though it is an artistic illustration. It's from the Boeing promo "You, me, and the SST". You can find it on Youtube. But if anyone is still looking please continue.

 

[Barrington Bond]

Article by John M. Swihart, Assistant Chief Engineer, SST Product Development Technology, The Boring Company, Seattle.

 

[Tonton-42]

A short summary for Boeotians like me ... Young teenager in the 60 I followed with passion this development of the SST US and the Boeing 2707 was a fabulous wonder ! Concorde was just a toy ...

What Happened to the American SST?

The golden age of American aerospace prowess had to be the decade of the 1960s. So many advances were being made across so many fields of aviation endeavor. The Space Race demonstrated how…

declassification.blogs.archives.gov

 

[Scott Kenny]

A short summary for Boeotians like me ... Young teenager in the 60 I followed with passion this development of the SST US and the Boeing 2707 was a fabulous wonder ! Concorde was just a toy ...

What Happened to the American SST?

The golden age of American aerospace prowess had to be the decade of the 1960s. So many advances were being made across so many fields of aviation endeavor. The Space Race demonstrated how…

declassification.blogs.archives.gov

Such a shame it didn't come to pass, even as overwater-only flights.

 

[hesham]

From Boeing magazine 1963

 

[landerso47]

I have come to the conclusion that the sketch of the 2707-300 that shows up in the promo You, me, and the SST is the only visual of the 321 passenger Domestic variant. I use the 2707-200s rendering as example. The severe area ruling and 2-3-2 wide body double aisle fuselage are identical. I use the 2-3 single isle 234/250 passenger version as an example of how different the two variants are. unless somebody finds another rendering or blueprint this is the large variants only representation I have ever seen.

 

[galgot]

I have come to the conclusion that the sketch of the 2707-300 that shows up in the promo You, me, and the SST is the only visual of the 321 passenger Domestic variant. I use the 2707-200s rendering as example. The severe area ruling and 2-3-2 wide body double aisle fuselage are identical. I use the 2-3 single isle 234/250 passenger version as an example of how different the two variants are. unless somebody finds another rendering or blueprint this is the large variants only representation I have ever seen.

Interesting, are you planning a 3d model of the variant ?

 

[Scott Kenny]

I have come to the conclusion that the sketch of the 2707-300 that shows up in the promo You, me, and the SST is the only visual of the 321 passenger Domestic variant. I use the 2707-200s rendering as example. The severe area ruling and 2-3-2 wide body double aisle fuselage are identical. I use the 2-3 single isle 234/250 passenger version as an example of how different the two variants are. unless somebody finds another rendering or blueprint this is the large variants only representation I have ever seen.

Yeah, I have a PDF of the 2707-300 General Characteristics handbook (pretty sure I got it from this thread!), but it doesn't show a seating layout for the 321pax version. Just that basically the entire fuselage would be different between that version and the 234pax arrangement.

That PDF does show seating for the 298pax all-tourist class. Mostly 3+3, with 3+2 at the ends.

 

[RAP]

This is outside the timeframe of this thread so mods can remove if not relevant but I found this 1947 turbojet, ramjet and rocket powered NACA design interesting.

 

[hesham]

Did we send this video before ?,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj9NteKm42c

 

[hesham]

Hi,

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbGzuyPvBbo

 

[flateric]

...

 

[blackkite]

Hi! L2000 SST mockup pictures.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/196wibk/lockheed_l2000

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/196wibk/lockheed_l2000/

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

Boeing 2707: the supersonic airliner that cost US$1 billion and never took off - Air Data News

A few days ago, NASA and Lockheed Martin presented the X-59, a technology demonstration aircraft that aims to enable supersonic passenger jets in the coming

www.airdatanews.com

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Boeing's early SST study model and 2707-300 mockup.

Boeing 2707 SST: More than just a mock-up

Andreas Spaeth joins Boeing historian Michael Lombardi to climb inside the nose section of the 1969 2707 mock-up in Washington state

www.key.aero

 

[blackkite]

There are two wing concepts for Douglas 2229 SST.

Douglas Commercial: Upadek, część 2 | Fajny Sprzęt Biodra

fajnysprzetbiodra.pl

Model 2229

source Douglas 2229 at Wikipedia Image credit: Douglas Image source: AFMC

e05.code.blog

https://twitter.com/x/status/1241878639584710659

View: https://x.com/yvemor/status/1241878639584710659

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZPZyROdBu4&t=27s

 

[blackkite]

I think Boeing is uncomfortable to be talked about its failures all the time.
If Boeing itself thoroughly investigates the causes of the failure and compiles and publishes them in a report, the public will be convinced to some extent, but since most of the people involved at the time have died, the verification process may not be easy. The FAA is partly responsible, but it will not be able to cooperate with the verification process.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Boeing 2707-300.

Aviation Week | Aviation Week Search results for: 2707

Search the complete Aviation Week archive. Explore every issue we have ever published: find every article, photo, story, interview, pictorial, advertisement, and more.

archive.aviationweek.com

 

[blackkite]

2707 VG.

 

[landerso47]

Interesting, are you planning a 3d model of the variant ?

Oh God no. It would look awful. I leave that to you. Your work on the 2707 variants are masterpieces in artwork. I wish you would render a version of the 2707-300 7 abreast one day.

 

[landerso47]

Interesting, are you planning a 3d model of the variant ?

Oh God no. It would look awful. I leave that to you. Your work on the 2707 variants are masterpieces in artwork. I wish you would render a version of the 2707-300 7 abreast one day. Hint, Hint. 10-19-2024

 

[galgot]

Oh God no. It would look awful. I leave that to you. Your work on the 2707 variants are masterpieces in artwork. I wish you would render a version of the 2707-300 7 abreast one day. Hint, Hint. 10-19-2024

Thanks for the kind words. But what do you mean with "Hint, hint" ?

 

[SCAT-15F]

I always thought the 2707-300 was ugly as sin compared to the variable-sweep 100/200 versions, and -you won't find this in contemporary literature- the cruise speed for the -300 was reduced in steps from mach 2.7 to mach 2.62 as the program neared the finish line.
The SCAT-15F was superior in every way.

 

[landerso47]

Thanks for the kind words. But what do you mean with "Hint, hint" ?

A hint for you to do a rendering of the B2707-300 7 abreast 321 passenger version. It is a variant none of us have ever seen.

 

[galgot]

A hint for you to do a rendering of the B2707-300 7 abreast 321 passenger version. It is a variant none of us have ever seen.

Oh I see Well I've not played with that 2707-300 model for a while. Last time was 2 years ago I did a touch and go at Edward AFB whatif vid:

Will have to redo a -300 at one point anyway, but as a 1/144 scale model, so will see of a 321 seats type is doable... Already did a 1/200 scale version, will post images in the models section if interested.