US Supersonic Transport (SST) Program 1960-1971

[Archibald]

Hi! SCAT-15F feasibility study by Boeing.

May 1965. What is interesting is that Boeing briefly considered SCAT-15F again late 1968, after the 2707-200 death. For the 2707-300, kinda.

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[blackkite]

I wish you a Happy New Year from the Far East.

Lockheed L-2000-7 SST Concept by Erik Simonsen

Lockheed L-2000-7 SST Concept Digital Art by Erik Simonsen

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Lockheed Sst Design L 2000 - Ralph Crane - Google Arts & Culture

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[blackkite]

Lockheed SST concepts before L2000.
Source : numbers station.

Big earthquake in Japan this evening.

 

[hesham]

From Hearing 1960.

 

[hesham]

From Interavia 1959.

 

[hesham]

From Interavia 1963.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

 

[sgeorges4]

Hello, do we know when air france was expecting its boeing SST to arrive? After the concorde if they still got the 200?

Thanks for your answers!

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

 

[martinbayer]

Hi!

I want all of those as Christmas Tree ornaments for next December!

 

[RareBird]

Apologies in being a being out of sync with the topic, thought these may be of interest as well as could get some help if anyone has a bit more info on the time frame differences of these two Factory 1/200 scale 2707-300 models?

I believe the one on the Right side with the twin main wing bulges is the earlier 2707-300 as used by Boeing in film and executive photo opps (also has small twin main wing strakes underneath) and they both later seemed to be removed according to drawing etc, with the one without being the later close to final version?

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Please compare horizontal tail stabilizer trailing edge shape.
I believe Galgot-san could answer your question.

 

[publiusr]

Lockheed SST concepts before L2000.
Source : numbers station.

Big earthquake in Japan this evening.

A big mess

Lockheed Concept 4 have side by side cockpits--or an artifact?

 

[uk 75]

Apologies in being a being out of sync with the topic, thought these may be of interest as well as could get some help if anyone has a bit more info on the time frame differences of these two Factory 1/200 scale 2707-300 models?

I believe the one on the Right side with the twin main wing bulges is the earlier 2707-300 as used by Boeing in film and executive photo opps (also has small twin main wing strakes underneath) and they both later seemed to be removed according to drawing etc, with the one without being the later close to final version?
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If those models are all together in your collection could we see them compared as they are all 1/200 by the look of it.

 

[RareBird]

If those models are all together in your collection could we see them compared as they are all 1/200 by the look of it.

Yes all are 1/200, though I do have 1/100 factory model as well as several of the early 1/250? Scale 733 chrome models.
I know the 2707-300 without speed bumb bulges was pacmin, im trying to find out more about the 2707-300 with, as it seems to hold more significant history as pictures of it exist in the possession of many on the program.

How would you like to see? Two, three at a time? I can plenty more pix.

 

[uk 75]

Thank you. I am a serious fan of the US SST but have no original manufacturers models. The photos you have posted above are fine as they show the relative sizes of the real aircraft.
You will find pictures of the little 9" boeing 2707-100 models I had made for me in the Philippines on this site. Here is one example

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/more-boeing-ssts.21507/

 

[blackkite]

Bulge seems to be tire fairing.

 

[blackkite]

I think that bottom drawing shows final design.
(1) Smaller front strake.
(2) No bulge on the wing.
(3) Smaller wing root leading edge flap.
(4) Perhaps thick wing.

 

[blackkite]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656683150179979265

View: https://twitter.com/SpaethFlies/status/1656683150179979265

 

[blackkite]

Boeing SST Model 733 Civil Aeronautics Board Brochure Mar 9 1965 from La Jetée Press

Brochures and advertisements featuring the Boeing SST 733 2707

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[hesham]

From Interavia 1961.

 

[hesham]

From Interavia 1961.

Also.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

 

[RareBird]

I think that bottom drawing shows final design.
(1) Smaller front strake.
(2) No bulge on the wing.
(3) Smaller wing root leading edge flap.
(4) Perhaps thick wing.

Thanks!

I have volumes on the US SST program, the bound submissions to congress and FAA with data from both Lockheed and Boeing, most all NASA, Langley data, and other documents as well as a number of original blueprints and line drawings, only these models perplex me as I know the one style was PacMin. but I have no idea of the other earlier one. I probably need to post these on a diecast forum or something.

Here are a few more of the bulged and the lower strakes...

 

[Orionblamblam]

I have volumes on the US SST program, the bound submissions to congress and FAA with data from both Lockheed and Boeing, most all NASA, Langley data, and other documents as well as a number of original blueprints ...

You have my attention...

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
The design of the SCAT 16 led to the design of the 733 and the 2707 with variable swept wings, and the design of the SCAT 17 led to the design of the 2707-300.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
SCAT-18 was a modified SCAT-4.
Modified SCAT-16 was a base of Boeing 733.
Modified SCAT-17 had a double delta wing.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

@blackkite PLEASE try to include sources in each post. I am fairly sure a lot of this is duplicated but its hard to tell.

 

[blackkite]

Looking through this entire thread today, your point is absolutely correct.
I will continue to be careful not to duplicate posts as much as possible.
Larger images can reveal more detail and lead to new discoveries, but sometimes not.
Of course you can delete my post as you like.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

I was asking once again for you to try to include source links.

When you post from blogs or websites, often these images are from documents we already posted earlier, or even images downloaded from here. When you post from original reports, if you include the report details its easier to check if they are duplicated.

There's no need to delete your posts, I am trying to get your behaviour better.

I really need to split this topic by manufacturer but its a mammoth undertaking.

 

[uk 75]

It might be useful to divide the thread into:

US SST up to 1971 drawings and documents

US SST up to 1971 models

 

[hesham]

From, L-1011_TriStar_and_The_Lockheed_Story

 

[blackkite]

Hi! SCAT-15F-B1 wind tunnel test model.
I imagine that F of SCAT-15F means fixed wing.

Rare 1960's NASA Aerodynamics SST Model — AGENT GALLERY CHICAGO

We recently acquired a rare 1960's aerodynamic test model for a NASA SST (Super Sonic Transport) vehicle from Langley Research Center. This model is rather large and is built of wood and composite materials. One rear fin has the NASA logo -- finish and condition is original. The piece measures

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Explanation of this model is as follows.

We recently acquired a rare 1960's aerodynamic test model for a NASA SST (Super Sonic Transport) vehicle from Langley Research Center. This model is rather large and is built of wood and composite materials. One rear fin has the NASA logo -- finish and condition is original. The piece measures 51" L and has a max width of 24". Everything is in tact with the minor exception of one rear fin. Wear has some dings and chip paint in areas. These Langley Aerodynamic models are very rare and as you can imagine and these were used in what is called the free-flight technique where they are tethered and float in the wind tunnel for study. A variety of designs were tested and this is one in the spectrum of craft. Reference the video for a demonstration of this type of craft in free flight testing. These video segments are courtesy of NASA Langley Research Center.

 

[blackkite]

Perhaps this picture shows Boeing 969-336C SST wind tunnel test model.

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[hesham]

From this report.

 

[GTX]

James Vaughan artwork​

 

[Dew]

Hi! SCAT-15F-B1 wind tunnel test model.
I imagine that F of SCAT-15F means fixed wing.

Rare 1960's NASA Aerodynamics SST Model — AGENT GALLERY CHICAGO

We recently acquired a rare 1960's aerodynamic test model for a NASA SST (Super Sonic Transport) vehicle from Langley Research Center. This model is rather large and is built of wood and composite materials. One rear fin has the NASA logo -- finish and condition is original. The piece measures

agentgallery.com

Explanation of this model is as follows.

We recently acquired a rare 1960's aerodynamic test model for a NASA SST (Super Sonic Transport) vehicle from Langley Research Center. This model is rather large and is built of wood and composite materials. One rear fin has the NASA logo -- finish and condition is original. The piece measures 51" L and has a max width of 24". Everything is in tact with the minor exception of one rear fin. Wear has some dings and chip paint in areas. These Langley Aerodynamic models are very rare and as you can imagine and these were used in what is called the free-flight technique where they are tethered and float in the wind tunnel for study. A variety of designs were tested and this is one in the spectrum of craft. Reference the video for a demonstration of this type of craft in free flight testing. These video segments are courtesy of NASA Langley Research Center.

Dupe

 

[landerso47]

Has anyone ever seen a line drawing, plan, model or anything of the Boeing 2707-300 wide body 7 abreast 321 passenger variant? We have all seen the 280 foot 234 passenger, 286 foot 258 passenger, and the 298 foot 298 passenger versions. So I'm thinking Their had to be at least one illustration of the high capacity domestic variant.

 

[GTX]

Another from James Vaughan:

 

[Deleted member 4286]

Has anyone ever seen a line drawing, plan, model or anything of the Boeing 2707-300 wide body 7 abreast 321 passenger variant? We have all seen the 280 foot 234 passenger, 286 foot 258 passenger, and the 298 foot 298 passenger versions. So I'm thinking Their had to be at least one illustration of the high capacity domestic variant.

I speedily found that; never saw any internal picture of the domestic version. Will try to find some more info.