a heavy Russian fighter is more than twice as cheap as an "average" American fighter
In the last two and a half years, it has become evident that the Russian conventional military might have been overestimated by the world.Instead of a short decisive war, Russian forces are still unable to subdue Ukraine. Importantly, Kyiv now even controls significant Russian territories with its surprise Kursk offensive.
One of the very big failures is that the Russian Aerospace Forces or VKS has still not been able to stamp its authority over the Ukrainian skies. This shouldn’t have been the case since Ukraine had very limited combat aircraft and mainly depended on ground-based air defense.
When Russian forces faced trouble in the aerial domain, it was believed that Russian President Vladimir Putin would unleash one of the so-called trump cards - the Su-57 Felon and impose air superiority over Ukraine.
However, this has not been the case - the Su-57 has been utilized in the conflict to a very limited degree.
In this video, Defense Updates analyzes why the Su-57 is nowhere to be seen even as Russia struggles to control Ukraine ?
This is a opinion piece by a Youtube channel of dubious provenance that provides nothing of substance.Defense Updates has a new video out about why Russia's much hyped 5th Gen. fighter, the Su-57 Felon, has yet to be seen flying over Ukraine:
"has yet to be seen flying over Ukraine" Except they have, over Luhansk.Defense Updates has a new video out about why Russia's much hyped 5th Gen. fighter, the Su-57 Felon, has yet to be seen flying over Ukraine:
This is a opinion piece by a Youtube channel of dubious provenance
that provides nothing of substance.
Sure, none https://www.1tv.ru/news/2024-07-29/481879-v_okb_suhogo_rasskazali_o_primenenii_su_57_v_zone_svoIt's true that there are lots of stories about the use of other Russian aircraft (Su-25/30/34/35, MiG-31, Tu-22M3, Tu-160M etc.) but none about the Su-57,
The problem is reality is may be quite different from what you do remember or know.There was one story where it fired a Kh-59 that I remember but that was about it. No tests of actual stealth capability in combat.
Any links to non-ru sites showing evidence of use beyond a cruise missile platform? Not clicking a .ru link because I don't want a computer virus.The problem is reality is may be quite different from what you do remember or know.
Any links to non-ru sites showing evidence of use beyond a cruise missile platform? Not clicking a .ru link because I don't want a computer virus.
Wow... no more questions SirAny links to non-ru sites showing evidence of use beyond a cruise missile platform? Not clicking a .ru link because I don't want a computer virus.
Yep, literally anyone can buy a .com. There are a few domain types you can't (I think .com.au requires you to have registered an Australian business for example) but mostly it's all open.You know it is possible to buy a .com domain name, right?
Okay, clicked the link, scanned through the videos, although I don't speak Russian, still not seeing any evidence of Su-57 use beyond stated Kh-59 launching from stand-off ranges. Is there a particular moment in the videos you feel changes this?
I am sure MoD is really worried that they didn't convince you... take it or leave it, in any case you don't need to be an expert to figure out that the exact locations, missions and operational concepts involved are not going to be disclosed for Su-57, for obvious reasons. It is a new weapon system, for which new doctrine is still being developed, and there are hundreds of airframes that can perform 99% of VKS missions to full satisfaction. So it will be used more as a test than as a significant addition to the war effort. This does not exclude some mission where for instance low RCS is a key aspect, but for the tiresome task of causing attrition you don't want to unnecessarily expose your newest platform. Does it make sense?Okay, clicked the link, scanned through the videos, although I don't speak Russian, still not seeing any evidence of Su-57 use beyond stated Kh-59 launching from stand-off ranges. Is there a particular moment in the videos you feel changes this?
Russia bets on exporting the Su-57 fighter to North African countries
Russia bets on exporting the Su-57 fighter to North African countries.www.armyrecognition.com
Kh-69 started flying daily nowadays, if that's a sign. For more risky use - they and their pilots are probably far too valuable as of yet.Okay, so when is the Russian airforce going to get serious and start deploying them in eastern Ukraine?
I don't think this is going to be the case. Su-57 needs to proliferate rather quickly and even then the plane has only recently entered service and still has a lifespan of a couple of decades ahead of it. Using them right away in this war dramatically increases the risk of the US somehow capturing invaluable signal intel from it and it's not like this would be similar to the Mig-31 affair in the past, you just can't get away without a deep redesign which means investing billions into the development all over again.Kh-69 started flying daily nowadays, if that's a sign. For more risky use - they and their pilots are probably far too valuable as of yet.
If the war will continue for a couple of years, however - they'll start representing a noticeable chunk of VKS order of battle, and then things will depend a lot on how survivable they are.
Equipment is ultimately meant to be used. If it can't - it isn't a fighter, and buying it will in practice negatively affect country's war making capability.I don't think this is going to be the case. Su-57 needs to proliferate rather quickly and even then the plane has only recently entered service and still has a lifespan of a couple of decades ahead of it. Using them right away in this war dramatically increases the risk of the US somehow capturing invaluable signal intel from it and it's not like this would be similar to the Mig-31 affair in the past, you just can't get away without a deep redesign which means investing billions into the development all over again.
3 delivered in the first 8-9 months of the year then?
Why the rush tho ? Especially that there seems to be uncertainty of orders beyond the initial 76.
Let's say they managed to deliver the entire order in just 5 years, and no more orders are coming, where the workforce and toolings can be utilized ? People will quit/retired, even with tools retained you will still need to train the newer generation of workers, how one can do this when they already lost the previous experienced workers ?