Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35 News thread, pictures and discussion
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Read something on spacebattles
CAATSA Or PESA: Why Have These Countries Decided Against Acquiring Russia's Su-35 Fighter?
Russia’s Sukhoi is finding it increasingly difficult to sell its Su-35 Flanker-E fighter jet, with at least two countries recently opting out of sizable acquisitions.www.forbes.com
I was under impression the Egyptian Su-35 story was a fake. Or Is this the case of Tom Cooper doing his usually thing ?
WTF. That Rafale vs Su-35 story was proven to be fake yet Tom are willing to swallow and regurgitate that story again now with his own spin on the matter.
The hell happen with the guy nowadays ?
Excuse me, where can i read this story? Somehow i missed it. =\
I know the guy always had a bad rap. Especially his work on Iran-Iraq conflict which he got called out for making bluntly shit up or taking any rumor and passing it of as fact. Along with his tall claims being in certain places and doing certain stuff he never actually done.
Guy is a farce and has been for years. He literally tried to argue the VKS had no reco capability in Syria because they did not bring Su-24MPR. I'll let you think about that brilliant piece of logic for a second.
Also when Tula presented a target sheet for Pantsir operations in Syria (including balloons shot down) he tried to argue that they must have shot down their own Russian aerostat....since apparently he wasn't aware Syrian rebels routinely used balloons to loft bombs over.
Also when Tula presented a target sheet for Pantsir operations in Syria (including balloons shot down) he tried to argue that they must have shot down their own Russian aerostat....since apparently he wasn't aware Syrian rebels routinely used balloons to loft bombs over.
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Thx for the info but...is this whole story or TLDR? I thought it was a detailed report of appropriate volume.
Thx for the info but...is this whole story or TLDR? I thought it was a detailed report of appropriate volume.
Gargean was joking.
It was an obviously fake and unsourced story.
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Yet there are still "observer" quoting that story, creating a circular reference.
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Anyway.. will Kh-69 be integrated with Su-30 family ?
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Anyway.. will Kh-69 be integrated with Su-30 family ?
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Wonder if these could be transferred to Turkey.
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Only if they want to be sanctioned for aiding Russia.
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Turkey is already under sanctions; https://gr.usembassy.gov/the-united-states-sanctions-turkey-under-caatsa-231/
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Another dozen MKI's on order?
www.timesnownews.com
India to place order for 12 Su-30s - Alert 5
Srinjoy Chowdhury of Times Now says the Indian government will soon place an order with Russia for 12 new Su-30 fighters. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to approve the purchase during a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council next week. For more information, hit the Source below...
alert5.com
[EXCLUSIVE] Big boost for India’s defence! 12 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft order on the anvil
The purchase of the additional Sukhois has come up as the IAF is short of fighters, its squadron strength down to the early 30s, instead of the allotted 40. A dozen fighters will give two-thirds of a much-needed squadron. , India News, Times Now
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Huh, seems like everyone's getting sanctions.
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There are "sanctions", and sanctions. Turkey is under "sanctions" for the time being, they could get considerably worse if it were to make such a move. Currently, only a select few Turkish agencies and individuals are on the list, which can (and have been, AFAIK) easily circumvented. This status can be considered a largely symbolic gesture, a carefully calibrated slap on the wrist which allows sufficiently important deals to go ahead regardless.
Definitely - you could be forgiven for wondering if CAATSA isn't a market research device for Boeing, first Indonesia and now Egypt. See who's ordering Su-35s, threaten sanctions & offer F-15s as a replacement I guess the implicit endorsement that the Su-35, given the choice, would apparently be the preferred option, is cold comfort for Sukhoi.
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Well so much for the 'Free Market'
Well so much for the bluster about the adherence of 'the free markets'
Especially when 'Business is good!!'
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in this video, you can see Egyptian Su-35s at the KNAAPO plant
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8jdxbOsTfk
not sure if they are for repairs or always there and still not delivered to egypt.
I lean towards the latter
not sure if they are for repairs or always there and still not delivered to egypt.
I lean towards the latter
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looks like that video got deleted. too bad
at least Alert5 has a screenshot
at least Alert5 has a screenshot
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Looks to be an su-35 slinging three r-77-1 missiles at around sixty kilometers. Note the PESA on swash plate capability as the fighter is able to turn far away from the target while still presumably sending early guidance correction to the missiles.
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I remember a footage of that pylon from Ukraine war a month or two back as well. I asked ground crews around displayed Su-35S at MAKS-2019 about that pylon and asked whether it was just a prototype. They said no and and that it has been around for a while and somewhat frequently used.
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well … I could add a few stories about his knowledge and understanding of the PLAAF from our cooperation, but politeness prevents me from posting it here.
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So where is the USA CAATSA?Another dozen MKI's on order?
India to place order for 12 Su-30s - Alert 5
Srinjoy Chowdhury of Times Now says the Indian government will soon place an order with Russia for 12 new Su-30 fighters. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to approve the purchase during a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council next week. For more information, hit the Source below...alert5.com
[EXCLUSIVE] Big boost for India’s defence! 12 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft order on the anvil
The purchase of the additional Sukhois has come up as the IAF is short of fighters, its squadron strength down to the early 30s, instead of the allotted 40. A dozen fighters will give two-thirds of a much-needed squadron. , India News, Times Now
India have Su-30MKI production license iirc. I'm not sure if CAATSA can be applied to product that the santion targeted country already acquiring production license.So where is the USA CAATSA?Another dozen MKI's on order?
India to place order for 12 Su-30s - Alert 5
Srinjoy Chowdhury of Times Now says the Indian government will soon place an order with Russia for 12 new Su-30 fighters. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to approve the purchase during a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council next week. For more information, hit the Source below...alert5.com
[EXCLUSIVE] Big boost for India’s defence! 12 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft order on the anvil
The purchase of the additional Sukhois has come up as the IAF is short of fighters, its squadron strength down to the early 30s, instead of the allotted 40. A dozen fighters will give two-thirds of a much-needed squadron. , India News, Times Now
Interesting, somehow they thought photographing Su-35 with those pylon in exercise is not necessary. I know many people when saw those pylon on the ground thinking the pylon only for theoritical load.
As ususal with US foreign politics, double standards are the norm.So where is the USA CAATSA?Another dozen MKI's on order?
India to place order for 12 Su-30s - Alert 5
Srinjoy Chowdhury of Times Now says the Indian government will soon place an order with Russia for 12 new Su-30 fighters. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to approve the purchase during a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council next week. For more information, hit the Source below...alert5.com
[EXCLUSIVE] Big boost for India’s defence! 12 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft order on the anvil
The purchase of the additional Sukhois has come up as the IAF is short of fighters, its squadron strength down to the early 30s, instead of the allotted 40. A dozen fighters will give two-thirds of a much-needed squadron. , India News, Times Now
More over I think the US will wink-wink/nudge-nudge on CAATSA issues when it comes to a member of 'The Quad'. I don't think India is getting F-35s any time soon but I suspect it will get exemptions on most anything else.India have Su-30MKI production license iirc. I'm not sure if CAATSA can be applied to product that the santion targeted country already acquiring production license.So where is the USA CAATSA?Another dozen MKI's on order?
India to place order for 12 Su-30s - Alert 5
Srinjoy Chowdhury of Times Now says the Indian government will soon place an order with Russia for 12 new Su-30 fighters. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to approve the purchase during a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council next week. For more information, hit the Source below...alert5.com
[EXCLUSIVE] Big boost for India’s defence! 12 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft order on the anvil
The purchase of the additional Sukhois has come up as the IAF is short of fighters, its squadron strength down to the early 30s, instead of the allotted 40. A dozen fighters will give two-thirds of a much-needed squadron. , India News, Times Now
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A reminder to all that the US has been courting India heavily to counter China; double standards are not surprising at all...More over I think the US will wink-wink/nudge-nudge on CAATSA issues when it comes to a member of 'The Quad'. I don't think India is getting F-35s any time soon but I suspect it will get exemptions on most anything else.India have Su-30MKI production license iirc. I'm not sure if CAATSA can be applied to product that the santion targeted country already acquiring production license.So where is the USA CAATSA?Another dozen MKI's on order?
India to place order for 12 Su-30s - Alert 5
Srinjoy Chowdhury of Times Now says the Indian government will soon place an order with Russia for 12 new Su-30 fighters. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh is expected to approve the purchase during a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council next week. For more information, hit the Source below...alert5.com
[EXCLUSIVE] Big boost for India’s defence! 12 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft order on the anvil
The purchase of the additional Sukhois has come up as the IAF is short of fighters, its squadron strength down to the early 30s, instead of the allotted 40. A dozen fighters will give two-thirds of a much-needed squadron. , India News, Times Now
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Shaheds For Sukhois: Speculation Iran Will Swap Drones For Russian Su-35 Fighters
The latest speculation about the future of Russia-Iran defense relations is that Tehran might procure Russian Su-35 Flanker fighter jets in return for supplying Moscow with various types of its indigenously-produced drones.
www.forbes.com
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The point of no return for political normalcy was months ago, I’m more surprised this hasn’t happened sooner. Maybe they’ll trade the Egyptian flankers for drones?
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I have problem with ISW's... as this institute doesnt really seem to have means to verify things by themselves despite calling themselves "institute" and considering various "news" on Iran-Russia deal like that one of "Iran air defense to Russia". I definitely take this Su-35-drone news with mountain of salt.
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I don’t know it doesn’t seem that an unlikely a possibility.
The sale of Egyptian Su-35s to Iran? Sure. Drones in return? I doubt it. For whatever reason, Russia was embarrassingly late to the UAV party (while Iran was commendably proactive), but nowadays they do produce a decent range of perfectly usable models. What can Iran offer that Russia does not already make itself, between the ZALA 421-family, the Orlans, license-built Forposts and Inokhodets? Sure, recent sanctions might lead to difficulties in certain subsystems (engines/EO), but Iran is similarly cut off, so is what they produce indigenously truly better than what Russia could source domestically? I'm just not seeing what problem it could solve, to be frank.
IMHO chances are this'll turn out like those Chinese arms supplies that were speculated on early in the war. I'll believe it when we see evidence on the actual battlefield.
IMHO chances are this'll turn out like those Chinese arms supplies that were speculated on early in the war. I'll believe it when we see evidence on the actual battlefield.
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