Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35 News thread, pictures and discussion

Well it's already fake even before Babak Taghavee made that assertion.

as for the Egyptian Su-35 delivery.. it's to be delivered in 2023.
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Egyptian Air Force starts to receive Su-35 fighters

The Egyptian Air Force has taken delivery of all the MiG-29 fighters it ordered from Russia, and started to receive its first Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighters. Russian magazine New Defence, quoting industry sources in Russia, reported that five Su-35s were delivered to Egypt, and that satellite...
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It's kind of weird tho as the aircraft already built means the contract is effective. If US wish to impose CAATSA it already have all the excuses it needs without needing the fighter to even set afoot on Egyptian soil.
 
TR1 said:
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Первый зампред коллегии ВПК: новая программа вооружения изменит облик российской армии

Российская армия в ближайшие годы получит линейку перспективных беспилотных летательных аппаратов, а танк "Армата" уже получил новый боекомплект, сообщил первый заместитель председателя коллегии Военно-промышленной комиссии Андрей Ельчанинов. В интервью специальному корреспонденту "Интерфакса"...
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Следующий шаг – это ремоторизация Су-34 на этот же двигатель.

Consideration again to up-thrusting the Su-34 with 117S apparently.
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Back in the day their were plans to fit it with the AL-41f, the original one built for the MFI. I wonder what ever happened with that.
 
stealthflanker said:
Well it's already fake even before Babak Taghavee made that assertion.

as for the Egyptian Su-35 delivery.. it's to be delivered in 2023.
www.israeldefense.co.il

Egyptian Air Force starts to receive Su-35 fighters

The Egyptian Air Force has taken delivery of all the MiG-29 fighters it ordered from Russia, and started to receive its first Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighters. Russian magazine New Defence, quoting industry sources in Russia, reported that five Su-35s were delivered to Egypt, and that satellite...
www.israeldefense.co.il www.israeldefense.co.il

It's kind of weird tho as the aircraft already built means the contract is effective. If US wish to impose CAATSA it already have all the excuses it needs without needing the fighter to even set afoot on Egyptian soil.
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It's not clear...

If they are to be delivered to Iran, they will not be delivered to Egypt, even in 2023 ...

Probably to be continued to see the explanation.
 
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Back in the day their were plans to fit it with the AL-41f, the original one built for the MFI. I wonder what ever happened with that.
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41F never was developed :confused:
Plus it being so much bigger than original 31F would require much more substantial airframe rework than from T-10KM-2 to T-10V.
 
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According to an ever-increasing number of reports, Iran and Russia will sign a 20-year USD 10 billion defence agreement somewhere this month. Under that agreement, Moscow would supply the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) with 24 Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E, two S-400 air defence missile systems and a military satellite.

Although Russia’s main arms exporter Rosoboronexport surprisingly declined to comment on this agreement, Iran’s Mehr News Agency reported that Russia is ready to sell the Su-35 Flanker-E to Iran. If the billion dollar deal will materialise, remains to be seen, but it is not unlikely.

In recent Google Earth footage of the KnAAPO Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where the Su-35 is produced, fifteen airframes can be seen. These are all part of an order placed by Egypt. The al-Quwwat al-Jawwiya Il Misriya (EAF, Egyptian Air Force) had originally 24 to 30 Su-35s on order, seven of which have been noted by Scramble Magazine so far and these are ready to be delivered.

However, Egypt was put under tremendous pressure by the US government and the threat of sanctions against Cairo under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) seems to have persuaded the Egyptians to abandon the acquisition altogether.

Russia announced earlier that it had signed deals with Indonesia and Algeria on the delivery of the Su-35. In February 2018, Russia and Indonesia finalised a contract for eleven aircraft, valued at USD 1,14 billion. In December 2021, Indonesia officially confirmed that it abandoned the Su-35 acquisition plans and is pursuing the procurement of the French-build Dassault Rafale, the switch again instigated by looming US sanctions. The al-Quwwat al-Jawwiya al-Jaza'eriya (Algerian Air Force), in turn, decided to upgrade its existing fleet of Su-30MKA already supplied by Russia from 2007 onwards. This leaves China the only export customer so far of this 4.5 generation multi-role fighter.

The availability of the aircraft for Iran does not guarantee their delivery to Iran, however. It remains unclear how Iran will pay for these advanced fighters and even of a greater importance is if the Iranian Republican Guard Corps (IRGC) will allow the IRIAF to operate such a powerful weapon. Internal rivalry between the IRIAF and the IRGC is not uncommon.

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Will Iran get the Su-35?

Will Iran get the Su-35? According to an ever-increasing number of reports, Iran and Russia will sign a 20-year USD 10 billion defence agreement somewhere this month. Under that ag...
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US put pressure on Algeria with CAATSA because Su-35 doesn't make sense for me. AFAIK, Algeria air force equipment mostly based on Russia stuff with few west stuff. Algeria get CAATSA because they want Su-35 is like giving Vietnam CAATSA treatment because they buy Su-35. It will only help China find military export customer.
 
AN/AWW-14(V) said:
According to an ever-increasing number of reports, Iran and Russia will sign a 20-year USD 10 billion defence agreement somewhere this month. Under that agreement, Moscow would supply the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) with 24 Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E, two S-400 air defence missile systems and a military satellite.

Although Russia’s main arms exporter Rosoboronexport surprisingly declined to comment on this agreement, Iran’s Mehr News Agency reported that Russia is ready to sell the Su-35 Flanker-E to Iran.
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There would be a certain irony to that - so CAATSA kept Egypt from acquiring Su-35s, but possibly at the price of placing the very same airframes into Iranian hands. I mean, you have to wonder where they'd be liable to do less damage to US interests...

Alifzero said:
US put pressure on Algeria with CAATSA because Su-35 doesn't make sense for me. AFAIK, Algeria air force equipment mostly based on Russia stuff with few west stuff. Algeria get CAATSA because they want Su-35 is like giving Vietnam CAATSA treatment because they buy Su-35. It will only help China find military export customer.
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CAATSA is never about the buyer, the intent is simply to counter Russia at virtually any cost. As you can see from the above example, this goal may potentially be pursued to the point of damaging the interests of an actual US ally (Egypt) to the benefit of an adversary (Iran). Algeria (unlike Iran) just has enough economic ties to the US that there is leverage to easily enforce CAATSA, and as it's not a close partner (like Egypt is), there will be even less hesitation to do so.
 
Did Algeria ever really place order for Su-35 in the first place tho ? Plus they just received their S-400's. While news about Egyptian "cancellation" of Su-35's completely disregard Sipri's findings on delivery plan from 2021-2023.

Those "news reports" are kind of weird.
 
stealthflanker said:
Did Algeria ever really place order for Su-35 in the first place tho ? Plus they just received their S-400's. While news about Egyptian "cancellation" of Su-35's completely disregard Sipri's findings on delivery plan from 2021-2023.

Those "news reports" are kind of weird.
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Well the news on 2021 only state they have interest on Su-35 or Su-57. But the interest to buy is enough i guess to get pressure from US like Indonesia.
 
Alifzero said:
stealthflanker said:
Did Algeria ever really place order for Su-35 in the first place tho ? Plus they just received their S-400's. While news about Egyptian "cancellation" of Su-35's completely disregard Sipri's findings on delivery plan from 2021-2023.

Those "news reports" are kind of weird.
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Well the news on 2021 only state they have interest on Su-35 or Su-57. But the interest to buy is enough i guess to get pressure from US like Indonesia.
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The thing is that currently Algeria is also receiving S-400. Something which US have problem with India and actually considering CAATSA on it.

The S-400 battery already roaming the Algerian Soil which is kinda weird if US turn a blind eye on it.
 
Ahh never knew S-400 already delivered to Algeria. Interesting. Yeah the news is weirder than i thought.
Anyway, Algeria updating their Su-30 fleet is also interesting. Perhaps SM2 standard?
 
Trident said:
There would be a certain irony to that - so CAATSA kept Egypt from acquiring Su-35s, but possibly at the price of placing the very same airframes into Iranian hands. I mean, you have to wonder where they'd be liable to do less damage to US interests...
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Iran any case would have got russian fighter jets, just a bit later
this "damage to US interests" was imminent
 
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haavarla said:
major-1 said:
Failure of the control system in a test flight Su-35 2015.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNV_a3VgSLQ&ab_channel=spriterspriter
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So how could the pilot control the jet, through TVC for compansating?
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No, no TVC. Via banking, as when plane banking FCS doesn't make plane pitch much. You can see the pilot going to the base continuosly making turns. Good thing that plane had 4t of fuel, he had plenty of time to try to switch through FCS modes, catch flat spins, disable both INS, play with chassis, find that with landing gear extended situation is the same, but there is a small margin of time, where plane pitch control by pilot works before FCS kicks and use it to safely land using drag parachutes to rapidly reduce speed and lift in order to counter inevitable pitch up by fcs and remain on land.
This happened back in 2015.
EDIT: looks like there is no flight record video.
Here it is:
View: https://youtu.be/Zq0qAhrw6ow
 
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One Igor Kruglikov, apparently - a test pilot, so he would certainly have above average knowledge of the underlying systems.

Как говорил Мимино, «такие пилоты на дороге не валяются...»

Летчик-испытатель Игорь Кругликов стал лауреатом партнерства В«Безопасность полетовВ» в номинации В«За героизм, мужество и находчивостьВ»
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There definitely was one nasty upset in there. The entire incident seems like an improved version of the 2011 Falcon 7X trim-able h-stab runaway, in which a military pilot was also instrumental in saving the aircraft, using similar technique. Of course, the biz jet crew got lucky in that the THS simply returned to approximately neutral on its own eventually, but then this guy had a bang seat to fall back on. Either way, both were amazing displays of airmanship!

Is the Nz read-out on the HUD what I think it is? If so, the fact that it is basically pegged at 0.0 throughout kind of suggests what the problem might have been (and why they tried messing with the INS configuration).
 
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One Igor Kruglikov, apparently - a test pilot, so he would certainly have above average knowledge of the underlying systems.
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So, the mystery behind Su-57 short-landing technique origin has really solved.)) After this "incident" Oleg Kruglikov has been invited to work on Sukhoi in Zhukovsky and became a test-pilot of T-50. And i think this is just a perfect ending of this heroic story!
 
In the clip the fighter goes nose up and banks a little at the same time. It almost looks like 5he parachutes yanked the aircraft back into a close to level attitude. You guys are right that is incredible flying.
 

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QuadroFX said:
First Su-30SM2 with "Irbis" PESA and AL-41F1S were delivered:

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Новые Су-30СМ2 поступят в войска в рамках военной приемки

Истребители имеют расширенные боевые возможности за счет усовершенствованного двигателя и нового радара с фазированной решеткой.
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They didn't say anynthing about Irbis.
Also, no MAWS. Cheapskates.
 
BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
 
Anduriel said:
BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
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Interesting, is that bad boy gunna have enough electrical power for the new radar,
 
F-2 said:
Anduriel said:
BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
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Interesting, is that bad boy gunna have enough electrical power for the new radar,
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Irbis was tested on Su-30MK with Al-31 just fine, so I don't see why not.
 
Anduriel said:
BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
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How long the Su-35 lines will stay open tho ? considering KNAAZ may have full Su-57 production soon, and there seems to be no new order from VKS or Abroad.
 
stealthflanker said:
Anduriel said:
BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
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How long the Su-35 lines will stay open tho ? considering KNAAZ may have full Su-57 production soon, and there seems to be no new order from VKS or Abroad.
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According to production plan they still open the production line in 2024. Maybe it will close after 2025, assuming no new contract.
 
Anduriel said:
BMPD article states that this is first stage of Su-30SM2, so no 117S engines.
Su-30SM with new engines will pass trials only in late 2023.
Still, IMO a waste of Moeny, wen there is Su-35.
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How is this even an SM2 then? SM1 was supposed to be import substitution, could have kept this designation. Thales HUD was replaced at least I hope?

Two seats make this a sensible option for VMF, more so than VKS at this point.
 
I could be wrong but I think it has the al 41 engine and irbis e. The al 41f1 is pretty much required to power the upgraded avionics. Pay note to the new antennas and exterior differences.
 
paralay said:
Perhaps an auxiliary power plant is also involved in the operation of the Irbis radar. It is not available on serial Su-30s
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Doubtful. That would be relly convoluted.
I remind, Irbis was tested on 30MK with Al-31.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCGingOHOI&ab_channel=CommandT

Perhaps not relevant to this thread but as a lesson in fantastic display of airmanship in the face of a FCS failure its hard to beat.

In summary after takeoff the FCS system fails and causes repeated un-commanded pitch up and auto-throttle issues. For close to an hour the pilot and ground controllers struggle to fix it until he brings it down to a safe landing. The unedited 52 minute HUD tape is in the video description.
 
Cannonfodder43 said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCGingOHOI&ab_channel=CommandT

Perhaps not relevant to this thread but as a lesson in fantastic display of airmanship in the face of a FCS failure its hard to beat.

In summary after takeoff the FCS system fails and causes repeated un-commanded pitch up and auto-throttle issues. For close to an hour the pilot and ground controllers struggle to fix it until he brings it down to a safe landing. The unedited 52 minute HUD tape is in the video description.
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It was discussed before. I posted this vid in post #89.
 

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