Shadow on The Wall - Work in Progress by Jozef Gatial

[blackkite]

Happy birthday Jozef and your new hyper machine!

 

[Matej]

I moved the discussion about Krasna Horka to the Bar: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14699.0.html

 

[PlanesPictures]

Two frames from prepared video on NGB. Hard job for six-cored processor, two - mainly procedural infinite terain

 

[PlanesPictures]

do you know this bird?

 

[SOC]

Bears some similarity to various AMPSS/AMSA designs.

 

[Overkiller]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,519.msg67311.html#msg67311

Lockheed CL-1000-47 FX design study?

 

[PlanesPictures]

Yes, you are true. I had to model this excellent design

 

[PlanesPictures]

this one you already know

 

[PlanesPictures]

next one from colection

 

[Donamy]

Very sleek !!!

 

[Overkiller]

Ah, something "fishy" about this one...

 

[PlanesPictures]

and next one from this collection

 

[Overkiller]

Configuration SA-1, from Convair's post Kingfish studies?

 

[PlanesPictures]

BIG BAD BOSS

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

B-58 IMI variant?

 

[PlanesPictures]

It is B-58B version optimized as mother-ship for Fish

 

[PlanesPictures]

really close

 

[flateric]

seems that soon we will have all GUSTO/OXCART/FISH/KINGFISH series from Josef...way cool!

 

[PlanesPictures]

it seems that it is there really free space for B-58s undercarriage. I'm currious on next pieces

 

[lippischh]

Your modeling is superb Mr Jozef Gatial. very exact.

 

[PlanesPictures]

when it will be right time (all models will be finished) I will render similar posters and animations

 

[PlanesPictures]

Suntan's interesting system of the retractable bottom fin

 

[PlanesPictures]

Censored picture from today's airshow

 

[PlanesPictures]

Can I ask you for your help?

 

[fightingirish]

Hydraulic / Pneumatic cylinder(s) to raise the forward cockpit section?! :-\

 

[Michel Van]

on the part "What is this" look like intake for fueling probe of a KC-135,
really it look like Hydraulic part of cockpit tilt angle system.

On the rocket question, it look like a AIM-4 Falcon, it's fit the scale on drawing.
but that is a obsolete weapon system since 1988
could it be that was Aircraft had to be armed with the GAR-2B aka AIM-4D?

 

[flateric]

Josef, look here to see how tilting cockpit did look at other iterations/versions
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1848.msg46686.html#msg46686

 

[PlanesPictures]

I have collected all Vought's AI projects from this webpage and moveable cockpit is clear to understand for me. But I want to try next possible details due to my interest for this projects family as next possible objects for complex rendering

 

[PlanesPictures]

Note: shadow on sent picture is not shadow of plane in flight

 

[PlanesPictures]

rockets where fired on from top or bottom surface?

 

[fightingirish]

IMHO, the missiles were stored in 4 individual internal weapons bays and then ejected/fired from bottom surface (yellow arrows).

 

[PlanesPictures]

Thank you very much

 

[Michel Van]

rockets where fired on from top or bottom surface?

look the Lockheed YF-12
it had bottom surface weapon bays.

source
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-9571-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-15.html

 

[PlanesPictures]

due to huge air intakes I supposed top surface rocket bays as possible, too

 

[flateric]

Josef, it's logical that they are bottom opened as placing them up without any specific need would become a servicing nightmare. Moreover, missiles shown with nose slightly dropped down that confirms down-launch version.

 

[PlanesPictures]

I have copied rockets from top to side view. It seems that nose of rocket is dropped down due to land position to main axis. It is not so long I saw similar 3-4 Mach project (in one from Secret projects from ... English?) where rockets had its bay on top. But thanks. I want to try less precise collection mainly for videos

 

[Sundog]

Hi Josef,
There are plenty of designs that had them launching from the top. There are some Northrop designs I've seen here that have them and I've seen many hypersonic designs that show them launching from the top to keep from interfering with the flow field to the inlets as you suggested. The Blackbird could have them on the bottom, because it's engines were out on the wings where the missiles wouldn't have much of an effect on them. I'm sure they studied the local flow field coming off the of the open doors of the weapons bays in that regard.

But now that I look at the drawing of what you are modeling, they would have opened on the bottom. Since they are to the side of the inlet, they wouldn't effect the flow field to them at high speeds. As Flateric noted, they're easier to access that way. Also, even with the extending launch rails, I would have been worried about them launching upward near the vertical tails. If they were going to launch those up, they would have been close to the centerline away from the vertical tails.

 

[PlanesPictures]

do you have idea why thickness of rocket bay doors is constant and thickness of undercarriage doors is mutable?

 

[PlanesPictures]

AI-102 preview

 

[Bill Walker]

do you have idea why thickness of rocket bay doors is constant and thickness of undercarriage doors is mutable?

Looking at the original picture, I think the nose gear doors are actually quite thin, the area you have coloured at the front is just a local stiffening rib. The thin nose gear doors would provide more volume inside the gear bay, the constant thickness missile bay doors are more structurally efficient (i.e., lighter)