SCALP / Storm Shadow / MdCN

DWG said:
That's not entirely inconsistent with a Russian position: "Oh thank god, it wasn't targeted on us"

Plus he seems to be running away from the vehicles.

There's a reasonable amount of speech, a Russian linguist might be able to tell more.
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Yeah not sure if its the same meaning in Russian but he seemed to keep saying 'Phew'
 
DWG said:
That's not entirely inconsistent with a Russian position: "Oh thank god, it wasn't targeted on us"

Plus he seems to be running away from the vehicles.

There's a reasonable amount of speech, a Russian linguist might be able to tell more.
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As a historical linguist who is not specialised in Slavic languages but who knows a fair deal about them, I can say with 100 % certainty that the people on the video are speaking Russian and not with a Ukrainian accent. They reduce /я/ and /е/ in unstressed positions in a way which is typical of Central Russian dialects and Standard Russian but which is highly atypical of Russian-speaking Ukrainians.
 
Translation:
During the night, the Ukrainians launched successful missile attacks against targets in Crimea. In Sevastopol, at least two Storm Shadow missiles hit the main communications center of the Black Sea Fleet. The explosions were also heard near the Belbek airbase. At the Gvardiyske base, fuel warehouses located near the airport were affected.
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Dang, forget to put a translation. Sorry. Just like Tytelman I mentionned in another thread, Tymowski is a top of the list, rock solid information source.
 
WatcherZero said:
As usual they've only got the fuselage, the electronics are in the nose which separates along with the warhead during final attack.
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Rubbish. It stays in one piece until impact, there is plenty of test footage around for you to watch which shows this very clearly. Due to the steep dive angle the rest of the missile basically follows the warhead in and there will be little if anything left. If the airframe survives in this relatively intact state however, the missile must have either been shot down or (most likely) malfunctioned. It then hits the ground at a shallow angle and the warhead as the strongest, heaviest piece detaches and slides on further due to inertia.

Forest Green said:
They can't produce the electronics anyway, so it's fundamentally useless to them.
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No amount of wishful thinking is going to change the fact that they're still happily churning out cruise and ballistic missiles at a pace certain sources would've gleefully pronounced impossible after first few months of the war. Hell, no thanks to the lack of resolve here in the West, they may well be outproducing MBDA right now... Sure, if only we could be bothered to put our money where our mouths are, our combined industrial bases would be capable of outmatching theirs - but the cold, hard truth is that we cannot be bothered.
 
Trident said:
Rubbish. It stays in one piece until impact, there is plenty of test footage around for you to watch which shows this very clearly. Due to the steep dive angle the rest of the missile basically follows the warhead in and there will be little if anything left. If the airframe survives in this relatively intact state however, the missile must have either been shot down or (most likely) malfunctioned. It then hits the ground at a shallow angle and the warhead as the strongest, heaviest piece detaches and slides on further due to inertia.
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Its a tandem warhead and theres been plenty of instances of a damaged fuselage surviving partially intact in soft ground next to targets that have been successfully struck or which have aborted and self destructed. The penetrator warhead section in front of the laser warning marking is missing just leaving the secondary high explosive charge. Its clear during the disassembly that he doesn't have the warhead section just the nose cap that is jettisoned on approach to expose the optics and so is showing of the actuator controls.
 
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Of course, the nose cone is hardly going to remain intact after half a ton of armour piercing warhead has plowed through it... and there certainly has been plenty of footage of unexploded warheads.
 
Trident said:
Of course, the nose cone is hardly going to remain intact after half a ton of armour piercing warhead has plowed through it... and there certainly has been plenty of footage of unexploded warheads.
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The nose cone is ejected on final approach to the target to expose the sensors when it performs its ascent for a top down attack view.
 
DWG said:
That's not entirely inconsistent with a Russian position: "Oh thank god, it wasn't targeted on us"

Plus he seems to be running away from the vehicles.

There's a reasonable amount of speech, a Russian linguist might be able to tell more.
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Pretty sure every troop would be thinking that, in the same situation. American, British, Chinese, wouldn't matter.
 
I might have missed something but I do not see how this could stand as a novelty. ToT coordination have been part of the cruise missiles tactics as early as with the AGM-86.
Remember GW1 launching hours? Hundreds of Cruise missiles were coordinated to strike at a specific time, using assigned routes and terminal trajectory. Some were launched from a/c, some from surface combatants... and some from submarines.
 
French Scalp for Ukraine are reconditioned out of shelf life missile using cannibalized in-service units (something not really good for the efficiency of French services).

Link in Fr:

www.rfi.fr

«Opération Chrysalide»: comment la France organise la livraison de missiles Scalp à l’Ukraine

Alors que l'Ukraine, en difficulté, appelle le camp occidental à lui fournir un maximum d'armes pour freiner l'avancée russe, RFI révèle la méthode française pour alimenter les forces ukrainiennes en…
www.rfi.fr www.rfi.fr
 
TomcatViP said:
French Scalp for Ukraine are reconditioned out of shelf life missile using cannibalized in-service units (something not really good for the efficiency of French services).

Link in Fr:

www.rfi.fr

«Opération Chrysalide»: comment la France organise la livraison de missiles Scalp à l’Ukraine

Alors que l'Ukraine, en difficulté, appelle le camp occidental à lui fournir un maximum d'armes pour freiner l'avancée russe, RFI révèle la méthode française pour alimenter les forces ukrainiennes en…
www.rfi.fr www.rfi.fr
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They're supposed to be doing that the other way round... Using out of shelf life missiles to fix the ones in service!
 
Scott Kenny said:
They're supposed to be doing that the other way round... Using out of shelf life missiles to fix the ones in service!
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Long term, it probably does a lot more good to spend the missiles now, old or new. There’s probably a fair amount of time before a NATO/Russo war; one imagines at a minimum the current one would have to end.
 
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Josh_TN said:
Long term, it probably does a lot more good to spend the missiles now, old or new. There’s probably a fair amount of time before a NATO/Russo war; one imagines at a minimum the current one would have to end.
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No, I expect someone to start throwing nukes.
 
TomS said:
This is an odd proposal from the French side, given the progress that has already happened on the Anglo-French (plus Italy) FC/ASW, which seems to fill many of the same roles.
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Yeah but maybe FC/ASW can't be used trought torpedo tubes. So with this they may can develop there SLCM more without having any conflict with FC/ASW which was for ships and jets right?
 
TomcatViP said:
French Scalp for Ukraine are reconditioned out of shelf life missile using cannibalized in-service units (something not really good for the efficiency of French services).

Link in Fr:

www.rfi.fr

«Opération Chrysalide»: comment la France organise la livraison de missiles Scalp à l’Ukraine

Alors que l'Ukraine, en difficulté, appelle le camp occidental à lui fournir un maximum d'armes pour freiner l'avancée russe, RFI révèle la méthode française pour alimenter les forces ukrainiennes en…
www.rfi.fr www.rfi.fr
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Suspect this might be parts from the MLU which means they should be able to get the in service units back fairly quickly. I suspect the reason for not just sending the MLU'd missiles is there are parts of that that have been refreshed that they don't want to potentially fall into Russian hands.
 
DWG said:
Is that the opening for a drop-down turbofan on the lower side of the fuselage level with the bottom of the wing - there's definitely something there we can't see from this angle.
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If it's based on the MdCN, that uses a turbojet, which has worse fuel efficiency than a turbofan.
 
timmymagic said:
Suspect this might be parts from the MLU which means they should be able to get the in service units back fairly quickly. I suspect the reason for not just sending the MLU'd missiles is there are parts of that that have been refreshed that they don't want to potentially fall into Russian hands.
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If true, that works out well.

using the old rockets and old guidance packs up saves costs in demilling.
 
Scott Kenny said:
If true, that works out well.

using the old rockets and old guidance packs up saves costs in demilling.
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Suspect they're having to do some fancy footwork....they had around 400 missiles in the stockpile, and were (in 2019) only going to MLU 100 of them with the rest disposed of. That MLU has been underway for a couple of years. Suspect the French have decided to increase their MLU numbers from 100 for their own uses, but have run into issues with the non-MLU'd stored missiles (that were effectively in depot awaiting disposal for a number of years, probably with little to no maintenance) that they now want to send to Ukraine. Taking out a few components from active missiles to get these going isn't a huge issue as the MLU component lines are active at present so they should be able to get supplies of parts.
 

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