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Dutch company Leyden Jar's battery production to start in 2026, in Eindhoven.
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LeydenJar Technologies Chooses Eindhoven Strijp-T for its First Anode Factory - LeydenJar

Dutch battery innovator LeydenJar Technologies will build its first factory at Strijp-T in Eindhoven. Set to open in 2026, LeydenJar’s PlantOne provides a production capacity of 70 MWh pure silicon anode for high energy density batteries. LeydenJar anodes are integrated into lithium-ion...
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Dutch battery innovator LeydenJar Technologies will build its first factory at Strijp-T in Eindhoven. Set to open in 2026, LeydenJar’s PlantOne provides a production capacity of 70 MWh pure silicon anode for high energy density batteries.
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When Churchill decided to exchange the coal of the British fleet for oil, the Western world became dependent on the good or bad will of the Arabs, with great effort and despite the attacks on nuclear energy, we have managed to free ourselves from oppression thanks to some good engineers who created fracking. We are now abandoning the advantage to hand over our future to rather inefficient machines that rely on minerals controlled by China, Russia and the Republic of Congo. When will we learn?
 
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Electric car demand plunges across Europe - latest updates

Electric car sales plummeted across Europe last month as demand dried up despite the EU’s push to ban petrol and diesel vehicles by the middle of the next decade.
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Electric car sales plummeted across Europe last month as demand dried up despite the EU’s push to ban petrol and diesel vehicles by the middle of the next decade.

Sales of battery-powered cars dropped by 11.3pc as demand in Germany, Europe’s largest economy, plunged by 28.9pc, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA).

Only 13pc of new registrations were electric, down from 13.9pc in March last year and down from 14.6pc for all of 2023.

Sales of electric cars have stalled despite Europe’s plans to ban the sale of new internal combustion engine cars by 2035.

Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz and Tesla have all reported falling electric vehicle sales in the first three months of the year.

It came as new vehicle registrations overall fell by 5.3pc across the European Union to 1m last month.

The ACEA has blamed the fall in sales in March on the early Easter holidays.

Hybrid cars accounted for 29pc of the market in March, up from 24.4pc in the same month a year ago.

Petrol vehicle sales also decreased by 10.2pc, with notable reductions in France, Spain and Germany.

The downturn in the diesel market was even more severe, with an 18.5pc drop in March.
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Justo Miranda said:
When Churchill decided to exchange the coal of the British fleet for oil, the Western world became dependent on the good or bad will of the Arabs, with great effort and despite the attacks on nuclear energy, we have managed to free ourselves from oppression thanks to some good engineers who created fracking. We are now abandoning the advantage to hand over our future to rather inefficient machines that rely on minerals controlled by China, Russia and the Republic of Congo. When will we learn?
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What I'm hearing is we should have kept coal all along!?

Sounds like its a general car sale problem and not specifically an EV problem.
 
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Electric cars sold at record discounts as demand plunges

Eight in 10 new EVs suffer price cuts amid wider car industry turmoil, Auto Trader warns
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The West’s electric car giants now risk destroying themselves

As demand stalls, the EV revolution looks more like a battle for survival
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Electric cars are a Trojan horse for the destruction of driving

EVs are on track to become yet another doomed net zero project – and it’s motorists who will suffer
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The last article was poorly written. No one wants to pay for electric charging stations. So-called investors are waiting for the government, meaning U.S. taxpayers, to pay for them. There are electric charging stations at the local City Hall and select other locations in my area. They strictly follow the money. If that area has upper income people then it will have some charging stations. The goal of investing is the most money in the quickest time.

Perhaps some don't care about a possible future where money will be lost related to changes in the climate.

Meanwhile, gas powered vehicles, meaning entirely gas powered, will remain the choice for the foreseeable future. No motorists will suffer. Existing gas stations will continue to exist.
 
You would not want inteligence eand common sense ruin a perfectly good/carp sales pitch would you?

Beyond boggling the mind of sane people it has to be a sop to the green side of the body politic.
 
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Electric car battery charges in under five minutes in track test

The charging time is much quicker than even the fastest-charging batteries currently on the market.
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An electric car battery developed by UK start-up Nyobolt has successfully charged from 10% to 80% in four minutes and 37 seconds in its first live demonstration.

It was achieved with a specially-built concept sports car on a test track in Bedford, and is part of industry-wide efforts to get electric vehicles (EVs) charging more quickly.
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Challenges included the UK heatwave, a failure in the concept car’s cooling system, and a standard on-site charger that was not made by Nyobolt.

These factors prevented the firm from recreating laboratory results, in which it says the battery can charge from 0% to 100% in six minutes.
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Arjen said:
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Electric car battery charges in under five minutes in track test

The charging time is much quicker than even the fastest-charging batteries currently on the market.
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That will help a lot, but where I sit most of the challenges to EVs for long distance travel is lack of charger infrastructure, not lack of charging speed.

Stop at Kwik-e-mart, put charger/gas nozzle into car, walk into store for bathroom break, buy more snacks and drinks, walk out to car.
 
Scott Kenny said:
That will help a lot, but where I sit most of the challenges to EVs for long distance travel is lack of charger infrastructure, not lack of charging speed.

Stop at Kwik-e-mart, put charger/gas nozzle into car, walk into store for bathroom break, buy more snacks and drinks, walk out to car.
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Sadly, very few gas stations even have level 2 chargers let alone fast DC chargers.

I’d also suggest that the types of “snacks and drinks” typically available at gas stations are to avoided at all costs. I personally have never understood the appeal of a “convenience store” or why anyone would go inside one? On rare occasions when a gas pump is out of paper for credit card receipts, I’ve been forced to go inside and have been trapped in a line behind idiots buying lottery tickets.
 
TinWing said:
Sadly, very few gas stations even have level 2 chargers let alone fast DC chargers.

I’d also suggest that the types of “snacks and drinks” typically available at gas stations are to avoided at all costs. I personally have never understood the appeal of a “convenience store” or why anyone would go inside one? On rare occasions when a gas pump is out of paper for credit card receipts, I’ve been forced to go inside and have been trapped in a line behind idiots buying lottery tickets.
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The beverages and snacks keep me awake when driving 6+ hours. I stop roughly every 2 hours for caffeine out and to restock.
 
GTX said:
This electric car battery takes less than 5 minutes to charge
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It’s a small battery only half the size of most cars. While quick charges sound brilliant the next problem is the supply capacity ….. it’s only so big. Two or three cars trying to do 5 minute recharges simultaneously will represent a massive power draw well beyond the supply capacity so they won’t recharge in 5 minutes. Also the size of the charging cable becomes,…well difficult. The charging cable for the Tesla supercharger is already liquid cooled along its entire length. When I ran the numbers a while back an electric recharge cable is six times the diameter of a an equivalent gasoline hose, with over tens times the mass per meter. It’s those pesky law of physics’s, I’m afraid.
 
Then robotic plugging is the obvious key. No limitation here but the startup world´s bias for cheap.
 
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TomcatViP said:
Then robotic plugging is the obvious key. No limitation here but the startup world´s bias to go after cheap.
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That's actually been experimented with, using gas cars. Cars set up to use the robot needed their fuel filler doors removed and their gas cap replaced with one that was basically a miniature version of the USAF IFR socket.

I'm not sure how you'd weatherproof the connector for electricity, though. Might have to go from direct plugs to an induction paddle.
 
Zoo Tycoon said:
it’s only so big. Two or three cars trying to do 5 minute recharges simultaneously will represent a massive power draw well beyond the supply capacity so they won’t recharge in 5 minutes. Also the size of the charging cable becomes,…well difficult.
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Station with big battery recharging smaller batteries would be the norm as power demand goes up.

I kinda wonder why not just simply have two plugs/cables. (or even higher voltage)

Ultimately it is only a cost issue.
 
The actual answer is to use the part Porsche developed green fuel which will happily be accepted down a standard fuel hose, until such time that the money grabbing eco bandits catch on.

Until such time as the economy and infrastructure can handle demand of an all electric economy. We are simply being bovine crapped.
The improvement is said to be at least as good as BE but less wasteful and frankly, using the existing infrastructure, will beat the electric moohahahahahaha, hands down.

Giving us results we can benefit from now rather than some future utopia.
 
shin_getter said:
Station with big battery recharging smaller batteries would be the norm as power demand goes up.

I kinda wonder why not just simply have two plugs/cables. (or even higher voltage)

Ultimately it is only a cost issue.
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Going from 240V single phase to 240V 3 phase is an order of magnitude cost increase per month. Plus you usually have to pay for adding the 3 phase lines from the last substation to your business. Going to 450/480V about doubles the 3 phase costs.

Have you seen how much a power wall costs? Most of a new car, for non-commercial levels of power supply. You'd be talking an easy quarter million dollars per recharging station to have any level of capacity to refill multiple cars at once.

The US does not have the excess generating capacity to feed millions of electric cars. California doesn't, either. Though California hasn't approved a new powerplant since about 2003...
 
E-fuels are not a very good idea; the conversion efficiencies are horrible.
Going from electricity to synthetic fuel is easily a 50 percent loss, and you get another 50-70 percent loss in the internal combustion engine.
For every gigawatt of wind or solar, only about 100-200MW ends up in the car.
If we want to store electrical energy, batteries are the way to go in the medium term.
The only way this works if this is done on so gargantuan a scale as to be suitable for seasonal energy storage - e.g. make the synthetic fuel in summer, burn it in winter. Then it might make a kind of sense; but this means building orders of magnitude more electrical grid in some mid-future scenario. This is like "carpet Algeria in solar panels" level stuff here.

I mean, just look at that primary energy graph, you're taking the yellow transportation bar, embiggening it by a factor of 4-6, and sliding it in that little grey box called "electrical power". It's a much bigger... thing. Like a tenfold increase in generation capacity or smthg. All that e-fuel is gonna take a lotta lotta e.

By comparison, electric cars aren't that power hungry; electric cars are much more efficient, so you can take the transportation bar, cut that to one third, and add that to the grey bar. You "just" need to double the grid at most. And cars are only like half of the transportation bar, so in practice it's going to be like a fifty percent increase. This is tame compared to the rate of growth in generating capacity in the 1960s and 70s, when generating capacity doubled every ten years.

Nuclear synthetic fuels from nuclear heat might be interesting, but high-temperature nuclear-thermal chemical plants are unlikely to be popular with voters and politicians anywhere.

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1 quads is IIRC something like 33 gigawatt-years; 100 quads works out to 3.3 terawatt-years.
 
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Serbian environmentalists are against the manufacture of electric cars in their country, whose lithium reserves would considerably reduce Europe's dependence on China.

For environmentalists, only cars made in China serve to save the planet.
 
chimeric oncogene said:
By comparison, electric cars aren't that power hungry; electric cars are much more efficient, so you can take the transportation bar, cut that to one third, and add that to the grey bar. You "just" need to double the grid at most. And cars are only like half of the transportation bar, so in practice it's going to be like a fifty percent increase. This is tame compared to the rate of growth in generating capacity in the 1960s and 70s, when generating capacity doubled every ten years.
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Idiots want to make heavy trucks electric, too, so you need to include them in the energy we need to re-source from petro to electrical.

So we're talking about doubling the capacity of the grid, minimum. According to this site, the US grid has not particularly increased in capacity since 2010. https://decarbonization.visualcapit...ears-of-u-s-electricity-generation-by-source/ There are some momentary bumps and dips, but those appear to be as new projects get started or old projects are shut down. Holding fairly steady at 4.11 trillion kilowatt-hours of generation capacity.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Idiots want to make heavy trucks electric, too, so you need to include them in the energy we need to re-source from petro to electrical.

So we're talking about doubling the capacity of the grid, minimum. According to this site, the US grid has not particularly increased in capacity since 2010. https://decarbonization.visualcapit...ears-of-u-s-electricity-generation-by-source/ There are some momentary bumps and dips, but those appear to be as new projects get started or old projects are shut down. Holding fairly steady at 4.11 trillion kilowatt-hours of generation capacity.
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Yes, that's what I said.
Synthetic fuels require you to increase the size of total generation by ten times.
Electric cars are significantly more practical than carbon-neutral synthetic fuel vehicles.
 

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