Chengdu J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" fighter

[siegecrossbow]

Chinese Engineer Said Jailed

BEIJING (AP) _ An engineer at a Chinese government-run aircraft maker has been imprisoned for posting information about one of China's newest fighter planes on the Internet, a human rights group said Wednesday.

apnews.com

Anyone know what he posted? I guess this was the confirmation the J-10 was for real

Back in the 90s a lot fewer people in China had access to internet. Must’ve been pretty easy to find him.

From rumors I’ve heard about J-10’s development even confirming the designation is technically leaking sensitive information. I think it was probably something trivial like the name or a photo, or he wouldn’t have gotten off so easy.

 

[aonestudio]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqPQG4NR7yI

J-10C fighter shot down espionage balloon with PL-10 missile

www.china-arms.com

In 2019 The People’s Liberation Army Air Force received an order for unexplained air riots, so Wu Hui was dispatched to drive a J-10C fighter aircraft for emergency clearance. After a tense climb, Wu Hui found the target about 30 kilometers far away and confirmed that the target was a powered unmanned reconnaissance balloon, which caused a serious threat to China’s air defense. Under the command of the superior, Wu Hui launched a PL-10 air-to-air missile. The PLA Air Force’s J-10 fighter only took 30 seconds to launch an air-to-air missile and successfully shot down an espionage balloons which crossed the border. This is the first reported real battle of J-10C fighter since its service.

 

[F-2]

沈飞失三代机大单不服输 当年立即魔改歼8要碾压歼10

沈飞失三代机大单不服输 当年立即魔改歼8要碾压歼10

mil.sina.cn

A picture of the 1991 metal mock up with what looks like a J-10s model in the back. Does the mock up still exist? If so where?

 

[F-2]

铸剑｜祖国不会忘记：追忆宋文骢院士和他的“十号机密”

澎湃，澎湃新闻，澎湃新闻网，新闻与思想，澎湃是植根于中国上海的时政思想类互联网平台，以最活跃的原创新闻与最冷静的思想分析为两翼，是互联网技术创新与新闻价值传承的结合体，致力于问答式新闻与新闻追踪功能的实践。

m.thepaper.cn

Part of the J-10 cockpit layout. I got to see if I can find more of this picture.

 

[FighterJock]

铸剑｜祖国不会忘记：追忆宋文骢院士和他的“十号机密”

澎湃，澎湃新闻，澎湃新闻网，新闻与思想，澎湃是植根于中国上海的时政思想类互联网平台，以最活跃的原创新闻与最冷静的思想分析为两翼，是互联网技术创新与新闻价值传承的结合体，致力于问答式新闻与新闻追踪功能的实践。

m.thepaper.cn

Part of the J-10 cockpit layout. I got to see if I can find more of this picture.

Highly interesting find F-2, is there any further details available concerning the J-10 cockpit?

 

[F-2]

铸剑｜祖国不会忘记：追忆宋文骢院士和他的“十号机密”

澎湃，澎湃新闻，澎湃新闻网，新闻与思想，澎湃是植根于中国上海的时政思想类互联网平台，以最活跃的原创新闻与最冷静的思想分析为两翼，是互联网技术创新与新闻价值传承的结合体，致力于问答式新闻与新闻追踪功能的实践。

m.thepaper.cn

Part of the J-10 cockpit layout. I got to see if I can find more of this picture.

Highly interesting find F-2, is there any further details available concerning the J-10 cockpit?

It looks like that’s part of a larger picture, the water mark of a “Surging defense” I’m trying to find them.

Apparently though with the prototype J-10 has monochrome CRT MFD, at least some production aircraft have at least one colored one.

 

[helmutkohl]

铸剑｜祖国不会忘记：追忆宋文骢院士和他的“十号机密”

澎湃，澎湃新闻，澎湃新闻网，新闻与思想，澎湃是植根于中国上海的时政思想类互联网平台，以最活跃的原创新闻与最冷静的思想分析为两翼，是互联网技术创新与新闻价值传承的结合体，致力于问答式新闻与新闻追踪功能的实践。

m.thepaper.cn

Part of the J-10 cockpit layout. I got to see if I can find more of this picture.

i remember this image circulating on CMF in the early 2000s

 

[F-2]

铸剑｜祖国不会忘记：追忆宋文骢院士和他的“十号机密”

澎湃，澎湃新闻，澎湃新闻网，新闻与思想，澎湃是植根于中国上海的时政思想类互联网平台，以最活跃的原创新闻与最冷静的思想分析为两翼，是互联网技术创新与新闻价值传承的结合体，致力于问答式新闻与新闻追踪功能的实践。

m.thepaper.cn

Part of the J-10 cockpit layout. I got to see if I can find more of this picture.

i remember this image circulating on CMF in the early 2000s

CMF?


That’s awesome, if you come across a version that includes more post it!

 

[F-2]

From a lecture given by a J-10 test pilot. I believe it refers to a J-10a.

中国的歼-10 在世界上是什么水平？ - 知乎

中国的歼10战机在世界上属于什么水平？除了美国和俄罗斯的战机之外，其他国家还有其他战机能跟歼10斗吗？…

www.zhihu.com

From Discord user Shadow a more complete cockpit image but no list of what the numbers correspond too

 

[KUMA]

From a lecture given by a J-10 test pilot. I believe it refers to a J-10a.

中国的歼-10 在世界上是什么水平？ - 知乎

中国的歼10战机在世界上属于什么水平？除了美国和俄罗斯的战机之外，其他国家还有其他战机能跟歼10斗吗？…

www.zhihu.com

From Discord user Shadow a more complete cockpit image but no list of what the numbers correspond too

As for the cockpit, you can actually infer most of the panels from the export fighter jet (such as FC-1). Products that are close in time will have almost universal design styles.

Although the specific details can't be exactly the same, the general layout can be determined.

The following is an example:



You can found it on FC-1 at the same place:
Almost the same, isn't it?



KUMA

 

[F-2]

From a lecture given by a J-10 test pilot. I believe it refers to a J-10a.

中国的歼-10 在世界上是什么水平？ - 知乎

中国的歼10战机在世界上属于什么水平？除了美国和俄罗斯的战机之外，其他国家还有其他战机能跟歼10斗吗？…

www.zhihu.com

From Discord user Shadow a more complete cockpit image but no list of what the numbers correspond too

As for the cockpit, you can actually infer most of the panels from the export fighter jet (such as FC-1). Products that are close in time will have almost universal design styles.

Although the specific details can't be exactly the same, the general layout can be determined.

The following is an example:

View attachment 694347

You can found it on FC-1 at the same place:
Almost the same, isn't it?

View attachment 694348

KUMA

I have discovered the J-10A/C have a very similar Hud to the JF-17.

J-10c

HUD footage from J-10 that crashed in Guilin last month

A J-10 fighter from the PLAAF crashed in Guilin on Sept. 4 and the HUD footage from the jet has been released on TV yesterday. The jet was flown by Wang Jiandong with 2,100 flying hours. The aircraft had a bird strike which took out the engine. Wang attempted to return the fighter, #635, back…

alert5.com

J-10a

【歼10夜间训练撞鸟坠毁】HUD画面公开，为保护人民群众生命安全的解放军飞行员点赞_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

解放军 歼10夜间训练时撞鸟，飞行员沉着处置避免撞击居民区，HUD画面记录公开, 视频播放量 52344、弹幕量 411、点赞数 336、投硬币枚数 37、收藏人数 287、转发人数 51, 视频作者 科京同志1, 作者简介 B站逐步封禁军事视频，访问贴吧和微博科京同志观看更多视频 http://weibo.com/1372574875，相关视频：还有谁要讲军事？，不会控速的美空belike：，苏-33超低空掠过 摄像师完全超出央视水平，【军事科技】东风5B再射...

m.bilibili.com

JF-17

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXFtdErJGY




I identified a few possible sources that diagram came from, I’m attempting to follow up and hope to have it soon.

 

[Blitzo]

From a lecture given by a J-10 test pilot. I believe it refers to a J-10a.

中国的歼-10 在世界上是什么水平？ - 知乎

中国的歼10战机在世界上属于什么水平？除了美国和俄罗斯的战机之外，其他国家还有其他战机能跟歼10斗吗？…

www.zhihu.com

From Discord user Shadow a more complete cockpit image but no list of what the numbers correspond too

As for the cockpit, you can actually infer most of the panels from the export fighter jet (such as FC-1). Products that are close in time will have almost universal design styles.

Although the specific details can't be exactly the same, the general layout can be determined.

The following is an example:

View attachment 694347

You can found it on FC-1 at the same place:
Almost the same, isn't it?

View attachment 694348

KUMA

I have discovered the J-10A/C have a very similar Hud to the JF-17.

J-10c

HUD footage from J-10 that crashed in Guilin last month

A J-10 fighter from the PLAAF crashed in Guilin on Sept. 4 and the HUD footage from the jet has been released on TV yesterday. The jet was flown by Wang Jiandong with 2,100 flying hours. The aircraft had a bird strike which took out the engine. Wang attempted to return the fighter, #635, back…

alert5.com

J-10a

【歼10夜间训练撞鸟坠毁】HUD画面公开，为保护人民群众生命安全的解放军飞行员点赞_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

解放军 歼10夜间训练时撞鸟，飞行员沉着处置避免撞击居民区，HUD画面记录公开, 视频播放量 52344、弹幕量 411、点赞数 336、投硬币枚数 37、收藏人数 287、转发人数 51, 视频作者 科京同志1, 作者简介 B站逐步封禁军事视频，访问贴吧和微博科京同志观看更多视频 http://weibo.com/1372574875，相关视频：还有谁要讲军事？，不会控速的美空belike：，苏-33超低空掠过 摄像师完全超出央视水平，【军事科技】东风5B再射...

m.bilibili.com

JF-17

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXFtdErJGY




I identified a few possible sources that diagram came from, I’m attempting to follow up and hope to have it soon.

J-10B and J-10C have a different HUD to JF-17 Block I/II.

J-10B/C have a holographic HUD of which there are two models, one has a thick frame while more recent J-10Cs have a thin frame.

 

[F-2]

From a lecture given by a J-10 test pilot. I believe it refers to a J-10a.

中国的歼-10 在世界上是什么水平？ - 知乎

中国的歼10战机在世界上属于什么水平？除了美国和俄罗斯的战机之外，其他国家还有其他战机能跟歼10斗吗？…

www.zhihu.com

From Discord user Shadow a more complete cockpit image but no list of what the numbers correspond too

As for the cockpit, you can actually infer most of the panels from the export fighter jet (such as FC-1). Products that are close in time will have almost universal design styles.

Although the specific details can't be exactly the same, the general layout can be determined.

The following is an example:

View attachment 694347

You can found it on FC-1 at the same place:
Almost the same, isn't it?

View attachment 694348

KUMA

I have discovered the J-10A/C have a very similar Hud to the JF-17.

J-10c

HUD footage from J-10 that crashed in Guilin last month

A J-10 fighter from the PLAAF crashed in Guilin on Sept. 4 and the HUD footage from the jet has been released on TV yesterday. The jet was flown by Wang Jiandong with 2,100 flying hours. The aircraft had a bird strike which took out the engine. Wang attempted to return the fighter, #635, back…

alert5.com

J-10a

【歼10夜间训练撞鸟坠毁】HUD画面公开，为保护人民群众生命安全的解放军飞行员点赞_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

解放军 歼10夜间训练时撞鸟，飞行员沉着处置避免撞击居民区，HUD画面记录公开, 视频播放量 52344、弹幕量 411、点赞数 336、投硬币枚数 37、收藏人数 287、转发人数 51, 视频作者 科京同志1, 作者简介 B站逐步封禁军事视频，访问贴吧和微博科京同志观看更多视频 http://weibo.com/1372574875，相关视频：还有谁要讲军事？，不会控速的美空belike：，苏-33超低空掠过 摄像师完全超出央视水平，【军事科技】东风5B再射...

m.bilibili.com

JF-17

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXFtdErJGY




I identified a few possible sources that diagram came from, I’m attempting to follow up and hope to have it soon.

J-10B and J-10C have a different HUD to JF-17 Block I/II.

J-10B/C have a holographic HUD of which there are two models, one has a thick frame while more recent J-10Cs have a thin frame.

I apologize, I should have specified I meant symbology.

 

[F-2]

https://hkxb.buaa.edu.cn/CN/html/20200602.html

Paper on J-10 thrust vectoring

 

[Deino]

If legit - and IMO it is - then this is so far the best and clearest image of a PLAAF J-10CY, the new type of aircraft for the PLAAF's premier aerobatics team 'Ba Yi', which is replacing the J-10AY in this role.

And it could put all discussion on a dedicated EW, a special PAF variant or the J-10D to an end, at least for the moment.

(via @凰天霸 from Weibo)

 

[FighterJock]

If legit - and IMO it is - then this is so far the best and clearest image of a PLAAF J-10CY, the new type of aircraft for the PLAAF's premier aerobatics team 'Ba Yi', which is replacing the J-10AY in this role.

And it could put all discussion on a dedicated EW, a special PAF variant or the J-10D to an end, at least for the moment.

(via @凰天霸 from Weibo)

Looking very smart if I say so myself.

 

[F-2]

I’m curious why they are ditching the AY for the display role

 

[FighterJock]

I’m curious why they are ditching the AY for the display role

To get the more modern variant that the PLAFF are flying already? Plus the AY may be showing their age in terms of avionics and engines also the airframe will be getting a lot more stressed due to the high G-forces they go through during the displays.

 

[siegecrossbow]

If legit - and IMO it is - then this is so far the best and clearest image of a PLAAF J-10CY, the new type of aircraft for the PLAAF's premier aerobatics team 'Ba Yi', which is replacing the J-10AY in this role.

And it could put all discussion on a dedicated EW, a special PAF variant or the J-10D to an end, at least for the moment.

(via @凰天霸 from Weibo)

Going to LIMA 2023 in Malaysia!

 

[F-2]

View attachment 685603
Research from 1970s to 1990s

You can see that it was round inlet in 1990, however, it became a variable geometry inlet in 1992.

So,what happen to J-10's inlet, which finally become a variable geometry inlet.

The answer is the change of engine.

Although it has been confirmed that the J-10 uses turbofan engine, due to its long development cycle, it can't keep up with the development cycle of the aircraft, so liming Company received the task of modifying WP-15 engine as a temporary engine.

So the J-10 was originally designed based on FWP-15(More precisely, FWP-15A) engine.Because of its high-altitude and high-speed performance, it only needs round inlet to meet the requirements.

However, its installation, size and characteristics are quite different from FWS-10.

Finally, As the installation position of AL-31FN and FWS-10 is the same, the size profile does not exceed FWS-10, the center of gravity is more forward than FWS-10, the weight is almost the same, and the performance change law is similar, etc, the decision to use AL-31FN was issued in 1992.

The research of FWP-15A for J-10 was stopped.

As the high-speed characteristic of AL-31FN is not as good as FWP-15, 611 had to modify the intake design to meet its original design requirements.So we can see that in 1992, the design of J-10's inlet has become a variable geometry inlet.

Is this from a paper? If so what’s it called?

 

[F-2]

J-10ce brochure

 

[TomcatViP]

Looks so cool in that camo. At first thought it was a strange A4.

 

[Deino]

J-10ce brochure

Not really a brochure, but a PAF calendar

 

[F-2]

Alleged shot of J-10 manual

反驳下鸭式布局亚跨声速机动性较差的错误观点

有这么一种观点，认为鸭式布局超声速性能较好，但是亚跨声速机动性相比常规布局要差。真的是这样吗？ 亚跨声速常规布局其实并不占优势，通常认为常规布局占亚声速持续机动性占一定优势是三代常规布局（F15/16/18、…

zhuanlan.zhihu.com

I’d love to contact the author, they have some incredible stuff

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

I think that's a misunderstanding on your part. He says "flight design manual". Its from a Chinese language textbook. No aircraft flight manual goes into comparative results for different planforns.

 

[F-2]

I think that's a misunderstanding on your part. He says "flight design manual". Its from a Chinese language textbook. No aircraft manual goes into comparative results for different planforns.

Interesting. Limits of google translate. I’d still be interested in finding that book though.

 

[hesham]

From this Russian magazine.

 

[helmutkohl]

From this Russian magazine.

the middle picture isn't real.
its just some early video game CG from the early 2000s that is poorly photoshopped onto a real background

 

[hesham]

From this Russian magazine.

 

[helmutkohl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1676095162387247104

View: https://twitter.com/Defence_IDA/status/1676095162387247104?cxt=HBwWgMC9ve_q18IuAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

 

[F-2]

我军歼10A战机已进行第4次升级 外观有两个特征(图)

我军歼10A战机已进行第4次升级 外观有两个特征(图)

mil.sina.cn

Article on J-10A batch upgrades

 

[siegecrossbow]

Both PLAAF and PAF J-10C participating in Shaheen X.

View: https://youtu.be/14z4yP8V3j4?si=56Xf8CX-j-oFmaX7

 

[PDMODE]

It seems a bit late, some J10(1001)'s photo

 

[Deino]

It seems a bit late, some J10(1001)'s photo

No, no ... for such photos is never too late

 

[PDMODE]

No, no ... for such photos is never too late

hh thanks and here is a bit more. Now they remove the pl8b model from it, both of them are all on that j8pp.

 

[PDMODE]

Some more photo about 1001, enjoy

 

[siegecrossbow]

 

[snne]

View attachment 710038

Is that a Turkish F-16?

Also, after this; I personally wouldn't be surprised to see J-10CEs participating in the next Anatolian Eagle Exercise.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Is that a Turkish F-16?

Also, after this; I personally wouldn't be surprised to see J-10CEs participating in the next Anatolian Eagle Exercise.

Indeed it is. Both Turkey and Saudi Arabia sent fighter aircraft (F-16C/D and F-15SA, respectively) to the Indus Shield Exercise.

Pakistan Air Force has stated that AVIC didn't place limitations on the J-10CP with regards on which exercise it could join, so there is a very real chance of it joining the Anatolian Eagle and other exercises.

PS attaching a clearer photo that Deino has graciously tagged me with.

 

[F-2]

View attachment 710038

I forgot export customers existed and for a second I was like. WTF happened while I was asleep.