Chengdu J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" fighter

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Seems as if the datalink antenna is missing?!

But since the PAF has it’s own datalink called Link Green 17, this eventually will be installed in PAC?



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really beautiful plane.. the changes from the J-10A to S? was also a huge aesthetic change for the better too.
Pakistan should have gone for the J-10 in the first place.
 
Some very nice high res photos. J-10CE is confirmed as the official designation by stencilling on the aircraft.

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So china expert wasnt lying when they laugh at naysayer criticizing J10 for its low payload o_O It's still not exceptional loadout for a fighter of its generation.
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I’ve always really liked the J-10. The J-10 actually got very early exposure in popular media in the 2005 video game Battlefield 2 where it’s one of the best regarded aircraft in game. Since the F-2 has always been my favorite plane, I was really excited that another single engine high highly agile fighter existed in East Asia, it was really fun for making scenarios and the like. The J-10B was extremely exciting because where as the A was a cool looking aircraft I thought it was a bit crude in looks with that boxy intake and short nose and technology (2005 being when the raptor came out and after the best known 4.5 gen aircraft) but the B looked so elegant and had some kinda phase array radar seemed at least very high tech. Over night it became my favorite “red” plane and still probably is at least in terms of mass production.

Anyway this has been a very long winded way of saying I’ve been following the J-10 since I was 14 and I’m happy to see it finally find success in the export market rather be an obscure solely domestic aircraft.
 
F-2 said:
I’ve always really liked the J-10. The J-10 actually got very early exposure in popular media in the 2005 video game Battlefield 2 where it’s one of the best regarded aircraft in game. Since the F-2 has always been my favorite plane, I was really excited that another single engine high highly agile fighter existed in East Asia, it was really fun for making scenarios and the like. The J-10B was extremely exciting because where as the A was a cool looking aircraft I thought it was a bit crude in looks with that boxy intake and short nose and technology (2005 being when the raptor came out and after the best known 4.5 gen aircraft) but the B looked so elegant and had some kinda phase array radar seemed at least very high tech. Over night it became my favorite “red” plane and still probably is at least in terms of mass production.

Anyway this has been a very long winded way of saying I’ve been following the J-10 since I was 14 and I’m happy to see it finally find success in the export market rather be an obscure solely domestic aircraft.
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And according to Wikipedia the Chinese have built 488 airframes so far. Now that's quite a respectable number.
 
helmutkohl said:
aonestudio said:
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i just realized the Pakistani J-10s dont have a refuelling probe. any plans to add these later?

also interesting that North Korea might be the next operator.. but I feel its financially unlikely unless China is donating some old airframes.

quite interested to hear PAF exercises between its j-10 and F-16 fleets
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They do have it actually.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=228&v=lJj0NHR0uUo&feature=emb_title


Refueling probe can actually be very easily attached/detached.
 
So a lot of the early J-10 history is merky, including when exactly the aircraft first flew in 1996 or 1998. But years ago their was a topic on key about an earlier turbojet powered prototype. I recently found similar claims on the Chinese web. The 1991 metal mock up may be no mock-up at all

讲武谈兵｜巴歼-10C战机选择“太行”发动机，意义有多大_推力_我国_性能

也正是通过在歼-11系列战斗机上不断进行飞行、发现问题、改进、继续飞行的迭代循环，“太行”发动机如同几番浴火重生的“凤凰”，终于展翅苍穹、笑傲九天，如今才得以看到歼-11BS、歼-15S、歼-16等后…
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In fact, the J-10 fighter has experienced several twists and turns in the selection and configuration of the power system. In 1984, the J-10 fighter development project codenamed "Project 10" was officially launched, and the duck static and unstable layout was initially determined as the final design scheme. However, it is followed by the selection of an advanced jet engine for the J-10 fighter. At that time, the jet engines for various types of fighters existing and under development in China, from turbojet 7, turbojet 13 imitating Soviet engines to imitation turbofan 9 and self-developed turbofan 6, could not meet the requirements of J-10 fighters, especially the gap in thrust indicators.
At that time, the United States and the Soviet Union began to develop a new generation of large-thrust turbofan engines while the third-generation fighter was developed and launched. However, with the strength of China's aviation industry, it is not possible to develop a new type of high-thrust turbofan engine while ensuring the research and development progress of the J-10 fighter. It happened that our country obtained the Soviet MiG-23 fighter from Egypt, and thus obtained the R29-300 turbojet engine with a stre of more than 10 tons of man-forced thrust. This was also the most advanced foreign jet engine that China could come into contact with at that time. Its 12.5 tons of aggravation thrust could basically meet the performance requirements of J-10 fighters.
Therefore, while determining the design plan of the J-10 fighter, China's aviation industry department decided to adopt a two-step strategy in the power system - first, imitate the Soviet-made R29-300 turbojet engine, codenamed vortex spray 15, and strive to complete the design as soon as possible to ensure that the J-10 fighter arrives to There are few power systems that can be used. The second step is to start the development of a new high-thrust turbofan engine codenamed Turbofan 10. Using the Turbojet 15 turbojet engine to equip J-10 fighter prototypes for test flight, the development of the Turbofan-10 "Taihang" high-thrust turbofan engine will be completed as soon as possible, and finally realize the design goal of "dual combination" of J-10 and Turbofan 10.
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The early J-10 fighter full-size metal prototypes also used an oval leather-hosted inlet similar to the F-16.
However, to the surprise of Chinese aviation industry technicians, even if the physical object of the Soviet R29-300 turbojet engine is obtained for mapping and simulation, the research and development of the turbojet 15 engine is still very difficult. For us, the technical span from vortex 7/13 to vortex 15 is too large. Therefore, from 1984 to 1991, the engine research and development unit of China's aviation industry only completed the full-size metal prototype of the turbojet 15 engine. This year, the full-size metal prototype of the turbojet 15 engine was also equipped with the full-size metal prototype of the J-10 fighter, formally achieving the goal of two-machine integration. It is worth noting that at this time, the full-size metal prototype of the J-10 fighter still uses an oval leather-hosted air inlet similar to the F-16. Moreover, at that time, the rear fuselage and engine compartment of the J-10 were designed according to the size of Turbojet 15.
If the Turbojet 15 engine was continued to be developed as a J-10 fighter as planned at that time, even if the development progress can be guaranteed, the reliability of this engine may have many adverse effects on the test flight of the fighter. At that time, the replacement of the J-8III fighter with a Turbojet 14 engine was one of the most typical lessons. Moreover, according to the development trend of the third-generation foreign fighter at that time, the high fuel consumption turbojet engine has long been completely eliminated. Unexpectedly, everything turned around in 1991. That year, our country decided to introduce the world's most advanced Su-27 twin-produced heavy fighter from the Soviet Union. For this reason, after learning about the performance of the AL-31F high-thrust turbofan engine equipped by the Su-27 fighter, the relevant units found that the engine meets the requirements of the J-10 fighter, and its technical level is far from comparable to that of the imitation R29-300 turbojet 15 engine.
Therefore, after consultation and consultation with the leaders of the army, the relevant departments of the aviation industry finally decided to stop the imitation of the turbojet 15 engine in 1993 and select the Russian AL-31F high-thrust turbofan engine as the power system of the J-10 fighter. Due to its excellent performance and reliable leather, it will not only be used as a power system for the test flight stage of the J-10 fighter, but also continue to be used as a supporting power system for future mass production models. Of course, Russia also needs to improve and modify the AL-31F high-thrust turbofan engine in accordance with the installation requirements of the J-10 fighter, mainly to move the accessory receiver and other components under the engine to adapt to the single-engine and single vertical tail design. This is the AL-31FN that China purchased in large quantities all year round, and Russia later even developed a vector thrust version of this engine.
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Here is another siting the chief engineers autobiography

歼10发动机选定的涡喷15是仿制米格23的r29发动机，未定型，被迫换al31fn，涡喷15如何？ - 知乎

宋老回忆录里面写的很清楚，试飞后全部性能都低于之前的预期。就因为R29换成了al31F。听上去r29是个落后…
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. Hate to embrace the comparison of the two groups of emblems. Everyone also hopes to see the difference between these two groups of emblems. Recently, I have been pondering. What is the reason for this situation? Song Wen looked around at the hole in the venue and then continued: "After repeated calculations, he came to the conclusion that this is due to the replacement of the engine of the aircraft. The shape of the turbofan engine is larger. When changing the engine, the size of the rear fuselage is thickened. This will cause the force to increase. At the same time, it seems that the power of the two secondary engines is similar in theory. However, in actual use, the turbojet is changed to a turbofan. There are obvious differences in fan speed characteristics with different vertebral forces. Two A Two A Two
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^ makes me wonder if Chengdu was able to get a better engine earlier, would the J-10 airframe become smaller in size?
 
The Lavi is just a hair under parity in thrust to weight the standard 50% few light a2a load. The J-10a is just a hair over. I figure the J-10a Gripen and Lavi all fair closely resemble each other in their flight characteristics. Later J-10s have a higher thrust to weight in the ballpark of other 4th gen aircraft thanks to more powerful engines. I’m sure they would have liked to have had a smaller lighter jet from the start which could have had respectable power with the thrust to weight of the time.
 
In fact I‘m still not sure but as it seems, it is real and according to some sayings a converted J-10B (therefore the AL-31FN)
 
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alberchico said:
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Is this potentially a new variant with a fatter dorsal spine being tested or just a one off ?
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I would not be surprised if it was not some sort of EW/jammer aircraft that the PLAAF are testing, certainly from looking at the dorsal spine that could be what it is for.
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PLAAF already has J-16D. If anything this is probably intended for export. Assuming that the phot is real that is.
 
I imagine it'd have more electronics but not necessarily turning it into a dedicated EW variant. Just like in the F-16s that have the extended spine I'm sure it'd house a more capable ECM suite or something along these lines. Nothing particularly extraordinary, just something that wouldn't fit in a normal J-10.

Another possibility is it's actually a fuel tank a-la MiG-21. I'm sure pilots and the PLAAF wouldn't complain about a J-10 with slightly longer legs (and without the massive penalties of drop tanks), but I doubt it as it'd probably be better to develop and use CFTs, since almost every other 4/4.5th gen fighter went that route.
 
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I imagine it'd have more electronics but not necessarily turning it into a dedicated EW variant. Just like in the F-16s that have the extended spine I'm sure it'd house a more capable ECM suite or something along these lines. Nothing particularly extraordinary, just something that wouldn't fit in a normal J-10.

Another possibility is it's actually a fuel tank a-la MiG-21. I'm sure pilots and the PLAAF wouldn't complain about a J-10 with slightly longer legs (and without the massive penalties of drop tanks), but I doubt it as it'd probably be better to develop and use CFTs, since almost every other 4/4.5th gen fighter went that route.
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An advanced ECM suite is likely with the white aerial above the engine pointing to such use, thereby reducing the need for an external pod taking up hard points.

I tend to agree with you about the fuel issue as well with the extra space ahead of the ECM jammer could be for that purpose.
 
BLACK_MAMBA said:
FighterJock said:

An advanced ECM suite is likely with the white aerial above the engine pointing to such use, thereby reducing the need for an external pod taking up hard points.
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Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but the white above the engine is the drogue chute cover.
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Now that you mention it BLACK_MAMBA, a drogue chute cover could be the most likely answer. I had never thought of that before.
 
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PLAAF already has J-16D. If anything this is probably intended for export. Assuming that the phot is real that is.
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J-16 consumes x2 engines(and x2 spares for them), x2 pilots, and x2 fuel though.
 
siegecrossbow said:
Ainen said:
siegecrossbow said:
PLAAF already has J-16D. If anything this is probably intended for export. Assuming that the phot is real that is.
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J-16 consumes x2 engines(and x2 spares for them), x2 pilots, and x2 fuel though.
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That’s not how it works. J-16 is neither twice as long nor twice as heavy as the J-10C.
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Still the number of engines is x2, of pilots - x2, and of fuel - x2.
And weights differ indeed pretty close to 2:1.
Ground maintenance is an interesting story - while the substantial number of equipment is x1 on a twin-engined heavy fighter - since we're talking about Sukhoi (i.e. the fighter that can't mostly even be reached, much less serviced, from the ground level) - it's here, too.

J-16 doesn't need to be defended - it's powerful and impressive, everyone knows that. But it's a huge and expensive beast.
Average mission doesn't need that much.
 
As far as I’m aware though every f-16 with that spin is a two seater other the AFTI. If nothing else it’s an interesting thing to note
 
Deino said:
alberchico said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1546713521811070976
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Fighterman_FFRC/status/1546713521811070976


Is this potentially a new variant with a fatter dorsal spine being tested or just a one off ?
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Update

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549626166151155713
View: https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1549626166151155713
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This plane just gets stranger and stranger Deino, I wonder what use would a device for releasing smoke trails on a fighter like the J-10C have? Weird.
 

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