Boeing P-8A Poseidon (737-800EFV) MMA (Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft)

[flateric]

_very_ early Boeing MMA submission

 

[isayyo2]

Shorter airframe and different wing tips?

 

[TomS]

Shorter airframe and different wing tips?

The winglets stayed around quite a while. IIRC, there were deicing issues that led to the adoption of the raked tips instead.

And yeah, the final version got a longer fuselage, possible to accommodate the radar pod that no one likes to talk about.

 

[aonestudio]

DUBAI—Boeing is using Dubai Airshow 2021 to showcase an internally funded multi-role belly pod for the P-8A maritime patrol aircraft.

The pod is designed to house a wide range of sensors and mission systems, including potential multiple configurations of equipment provided by operator nations.

Housed under the forward fuselage on the center weapon station, the pod has already attracted interest from P-8A operators like Australia and the UK, says Stu Voboril, P-8A vice president and program manager. “With the ability to put new sensors in it, potentially developed using in-country capabilities and sensors, this allows them to do different missions than just the standard P-8A.”

“We’ve got a lot of traction for that from the international community lately and they are very interested in it,” says Voboril, who adds that Boeing is willing to negotiate whether the pod is sourced from within the company or from the operator country based on the Boeing design. “We’re very open to any of those options and we think that could open up a larger market space.”

Boeing Pushes P-8A Pod To Boost International Sales | Aviation Week Network

The OEM reports that it has already got a lot of traction in the international market for the pod, which is designed to house various sensors, including those developed in-country by buyers.

aviationweek.com

 

[FighterJock]

A highly interesting development for the P-8A, I take it the pod being multirole would also be capable of doing ELINT missions as well? As it could potentially replace the existing RC-135 ELINT aircraft in both the USAF and RAF service.

 

[flateric]

2015...

The Navy's P-8 Poseidon Spotted Packing Mysterious New Pod

The P-8 Poseidon is quickly becoming the Pentagon’s super-adaptable multi-role surveillance platform of choice. We know it can pack one of the most advanced radar systems in the world, slung under its belly in a huge canoe-like enclosure. Now, another previously unknown external ‘plug and play’...

jalopnik.com

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Solution Aerospace

www.solutionaerospace.net

 

[TomS]

2015...

The Navy's P-8 Poseidon Spotted Packing Mysterious New Pod

The P-8 Poseidon is quickly becoming the Pentagon’s super-adaptable multi-role surveillance platform of choice. We know it can pack one of the most advanced radar systems in the world, slung under its belly in a huge canoe-like enclosure. Now, another previously unknown external ‘plug and play’...

jalopnik.com

contractor

Solution Aerospace

www.solutionaerospace.net

Is it just me, or does the actual picture of the ELINT pod not actually appear in the Jalopnik story anymore?

For reference, we have a copy earlier in this thread, HERE. They look like they are related. The new one has an enclosure where the older one had an exposed antenna farm (with a shield between the antennas and the fuselage), but they have very similar looking bases where the pod mates to the aircraft.

 

[flateric]

may be just image hosting issues

 

[flateric]

WGS radome on 951

 

[flateric]

The US aircraft don't have MAD.

interesting that US P-8A tail booms still have these markings...

 

[TomS]

The US aircraft don't have MAD.

interesting that US P-8A tail booms still have these markings...

Interesting. The P-8I, which is known to have MAD, has a significantly longer "stinger" there, so it seems unlikely that there is a non-disclosed MAD still on the P-8A. I'd guess someone decided not to issue a change order to remove the boom or the markings.

 

[Josh_TN]

The stencile says 'MAD DELETING HEAD'...I get the impression the airframe might be 'fitted for, not with' MAD and that no one bothers to change the markings between the different models. How late in the design process was the MAD deleted from the aircraft?

 

[Hood]

The stencile says 'MAD DELETING HEAD'...

No its "DETECTING" the C and second T are partially worn/smudgy but the first T is clear.
Even the M in MAD is hard to read, not the best bit of stencilling work ever.

 

[flateric]

He was joking

 

[aonestudio]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKfGvqPTW_w&ab_channel=SHAPENATO

 

[jsport]

With missile upgrade, P-8A Poseidon brings capacity, complexity to China fight: Analysts - Breaking Defense

Upgrading the P-8's offensive capabilities could add confusion to any Chinese planning, but the Pentagon has struggled to integrate LRASM onto other aircraft.

breakingdefense.com

 

[FighterJock]

With missile upgrade, P-8A Poseidon brings capacity, complexity to China fight: Analysts - Breaking Defense

Upgrading the P-8's offensive capabilities could add confusion to any Chinese planning, but the Pentagon has struggled to integrate LRASM onto other aircraft.

breakingdefense.com

Always thought that the P-8 would be the first platform for the LRASM.

 

[GTX]

Boeing pushing for Canada:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491819624651968517

View: https://twitter.com/boeingdefense/status/1491819624651968517?s=27

Boeing to Offer the P-8A Poseidon for Canada’s Multi-Mission Aircraft Project

OTTAWA, Ontario, Jan. 31, 2022 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] today announced its intent to offer the P-8A Poseidon in response to Canada’s Request for Information (RFI) for long-range maritime patrol...

boeing.mediaroom.com

 

[sat_dxer]

Sorry wasn't looking to hijack this thread, but the u-tube item touched on the expanded runway length and perhaps a few of India's twelve P-8Is would be based there.

 

[GTX]

Boeing delivers 150th P-8 maritime patrol aircraft

The newest Boeing P-8 maritime patrol, reconnaissance aircraft has taken to the skies, bringing the total number of P-8s delivered to 150.

www.aero-mag.com

 

[FighterJock]

Boeing delivers 150th P-8 maritime patrol aircraft

The newest Boeing P-8 maritime patrol, reconnaissance aircraft has taken to the skies, bringing the total number of P-8s delivered to 150.

www.aero-mag.com

Well done Boeing on reaching 150 P-8s delivered so far. Anyone know where the 150th P-8 was delivered?

 

[TomS]

Boeing delivers 150th P-8 maritime patrol aircraft

The newest Boeing P-8 maritime patrol, reconnaissance aircraft has taken to the skies, bringing the total number of P-8s delivered to 150.

www.aero-mag.com

Well done Boeing on reaching 150 P-8s delivered so far. Anyone know where the 150th P-8 was delivered?

Boeing Field seems to be where all the P-8 deliveries happen.

 

[Magman H]

Any update for the RAF Poseidon MRA1 Missile choice ?
Last information I had that the MBDA SPEAR Missile.
Has this changed.

The puzzling absence of UK fixed-wing maritime strike capability | Navy Lookout

The absence of airborne anti-ship capability both in the RN and the RAF

www.navylookout.com

 

[TomcatViP]

U.S. Navy Declares IOC for Boeing’s HAAWC - Naval News

Boeing's High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability, or HAAWC, has achieved initial operational capability status from the U.S. Navy.

www.navalnews.com

A true modern Helldiver.

 

[Magman H]

I think the UK Will end up with the MBDA SPEAR 3 Missile, for the Poseidon MRA1.

The Spear 3 is just entering Service with the RAF F-35B.

 

[FighterJock]

I think the UK Will end up with the MBDA SPEAR 3 Missile, for the Poseidon MRA1.

The Spear 3 is just entering Service with the RAF F-35B.
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That would be brilliant news for the RAF P-8s if true, it would give the Poseidon MRA.1s much needed long range fire power.

 

[Forest Green]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595326420070199296

View: https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1595326420070199296

 

[Josh_TN]

Seems like a no brainer for the UK; there should be basically no development or integration costs. Part of the entire reasoning behind the P-8 purchase. SPEAR integration on the other hand they are going to have to cover themselves; hopefully they do. I think the USN is going to integrate SDB II eventually but I don't think it is a priority.

 

[aonestudio]

Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (NAWCAD) on LinkedIn: The first P-8A Increment 3 Block 2 aircraft assigned to Air Test and… | 52 comments

The first P-8A Increment 3 Block 2 aircraft assigned to Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 20, undergoes testing in the anechoic chamber at Naval Air… | 52 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

The first P-8A Increment 3 Block 2 aircraft assigned to Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX) 20, undergoes testing in the anechoic chamber at Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland.

 

[shedofdread]

Life raft deployment

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x7rEdq2X8

 

[FighterJock]

Life raft deployment

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x7rEdq2X8

Interesting video, do you know if the USAF has carried out similar life raft drills? Or is the RAF the only air force to have carried out such drops using the P-8?

 

[TomS]

Life raft deployment

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x7rEdq2X8

Interesting video, do you know if the USAF has carried out similar life raft drills? Or is the RAF the only air force to have carried out such drops using the P-8?

Both USN and RAAF P-8s have dropped life rafts to people in distress.

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/P-8A-gets-new-tool-extended-search-and-rescue-capability/Tue-10082019-1117

In 2018, three fishermen were rescued in the South Pacific by a U.S. Navy Squadron with the help of UNIPAC-II SAR kit, the predecessor to the UNIPAC-III, which was the first time the U.S. Navy employed the system.

RAAF P-8A Poseidon comes to rescue of stricken sailors

The video came shortly after a RAAF P-8A Poseidon dropped life rafts to 20 stranded fisherman who were clinging to their capsizing vessel in rough seas 670nm west of Perth at the weekend.

australianaviation.com.au

An RAAF P-8A Poseidon dropped life rafts to 20 stranded fisherman who were clinging to their capsizing vessel in rough seas 670 nautical miles west of Perth.

 

[FighterJock]

Life raft deployment

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x7rEdq2X8

Interesting video, do you know if the USAF has carried out similar life raft drills? Or is the RAF the only air force to have carried out such drops using the P-8?

Both USN and RAAF P-8s have dropped life rafts to people in distress.

https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/P-8A-gets-new-tool-extended-search-and-rescue-capability/Tue-10082019-1117

In 2018, three fishermen were rescued in the South Pacific by a U.S. Navy Squadron with the help of UNIPAC-II SAR kit, the predecessor to the UNIPAC-III, which was the first time the U.S. Navy employed the system.

RAAF P-8A Poseidon comes to rescue of stricken sailors

The video came shortly after a RAAF P-8A Poseidon dropped life rafts to 20 stranded fisherman who were clinging to their capsizing vessel in rough seas 670nm west of Perth at the weekend.

australianaviation.com.au

An RAAF P-8A Poseidon dropped life rafts to 20 stranded fisherman who were clinging to their capsizing vessel in rough seas 670 nautical miles west of Perth.

Thanks TomS, I did not know that both the USAF and the RAAF both deployed life rafts from their P-8s.

 

[TomS]

Thanks TomS, I did not know that both the USAF and the RAAF both deployed life rafts from their P-8s.

It's a sort of under-reported capability.

 

[FighterJock]

Thanks TomS, I did not know that both the USAF and the RAAF both deployed life rafts from their P-8s.

It's a sort of under-reported capability.

Unless it is for national security reasons, then I can see why.

 

[NCQ]

USAF and the RAAF both deployed life rafts from their P-8s

Minor note, the USAF doesn't have any P-8s. All American P-8s are operated by the USN.

 

[TomS]

Thanks TomS, I did not know that both the USAF and the RAAF both deployed life rafts from their P-8s.

It's a sort of under-reported capability.

Unless it is for national security reasons, then I can see why.

It's more that SAR isn't "sexy" like the other missions of the P-8.

 

[GTX]

Canada selects Poseidon as CP-140 replacement - Australian Defence Magazine

The Canadian Government has selected the Boeing P-8A Poseidon to replace the Royal Canadian Air Force’s ageing fleet of Lockheed CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol aircraft, which has been in service since...

www.australiandefence.com.au

Canada requests costing on possible fleet of 16 Boeing P-8A aircraft - Skies Mag

The Canadian government has submitted a letter of request to the U.S. government for the acquisition price of 16 Boeing-built P-8A Poseidon aircraft to replace the RCAF fleet of CP-140 Auroras.

skiesmag.com

 

[RavenOne]

here is the Boeing statement

Boeing Statement on Canada’s Multi Mission Aircraft Project

ARLINGTON, Va., March 27, 2023 – The Canadian Government today announced that it has submitted a Letter of Request through the U.S. government’s Foreign Military Sales program, regarding the...

boeing.mediaroom.com

cheers

 

[helmutkohl]

in regards to Canada, was the P-1 ever an option?