Boeing JAST / JSF / X-32 /PWSC F-32 projects

[Lampshade111]

Are they any good overviews of how the thrust on the X-32B was directed for VTOL purposes? I understand it had two lifting nozzles near the center of the aircraft, and have seen this in many videos. However I always figured there was a third lift nozzle at the rear, just before the main 2D engine nozzle. Can't seem to find it however, were there only two lift nozzles and the smaller pitch/yaw ducts?

I have read that one significant advantage Boeing had was the manufacturing process they would have used to produce their JSF. Did we get anything out of that to implement into the the current Lockheed F-35 program?

 

[Matej]

This can help you.

 

[JoeinTX]

The question that pops into my head when I look at the F-32 designs is, does Boeing now own the assets of LTV? Because the design suggests rather heavy inspiration from the A-7, to the point where they could probably have called it the Corsair III or something and have it stick.

The X-32 is not that ugly, in my opinion - most of the "problem" is in the too tall front gear which gives it a nose-up attitude on the ground. Shortening that leg would give it a meaner look, better suited to a fighter...

SP

It always reminded me of the A-7 as well. But, then again, I liked the A-7 and was pulling for the X-32 in the JSF competition. Lots of hoots about its appearance but personally I enjoyed the way it looked and there's no doubt that if flying today (only if :'() it would be one of the most distinctive looking aircraft in the skies.

As for Boeing owning any LTV assets, just this past year that a portion of Vought's operation but prior to that they had no connection with them. NG owned them for a bit in the 1990s however.

 

[kcran567]

I preferred the x-32 over the x-35 and never thought it was ugly.

I really think the NASA m2-f1 and all the other lifting bodies were really neat aircraft and the x-32 always reminded me of a clipped delta winged lifting body. I also liked the curves of the highly swept thick delta which held a lot of fuel, and the fact that the AF version x-32 wouldve been a great dogfighter in its own right and had a pitch vectoring nozzle.

I like the Corsair name idea but how about the f-32 Saber2 or strikesaber (for the f-86 saber)

 

[donnage99]

Both boeing ATF and JSF bids look very familiar, with a giant inlet run straight from the center. However, this is due to the fact that their concepts are built around the weapon bays. I don't think the a-7 has anything to do with it.

 

[airman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-32

now i understand why Boeing X-32 remind me F-35 !

 

[Mark Nankivil]

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Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[flateric]

err...I remember that F-32 PWSC model went for about 900+ bucks...

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Nice X-32 walkaround from forum member Bill Spidle

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle4/x-32b/

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Something a bit different:

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Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

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same guy who sold one for $400+ recently. Must have a job lot.....

 

[Stargazer]

Second model is particularly great... but "sweet"????? Not only do I find it strange when words such as "sweet", "lovely" or "cute" are applied to aircraft... but the X-32 in particular doesn't strike me as anything but WEIRD!

 

[airrocket]

Yeah it looks like pregnant guppy...ugly. The top view is sweet just don't rotate it cause it gets weird.

 

[Triton]

Complete NOVA episode "Battle of the X-Planes"

Program description:

NOVA follows the battles and backroom deal-making between Lockheed and Boeing in their race to win the largest defense contract ever, worth $1 trillion. Follow four years of decision-making regarding test flights, aviation engineering and contract negotiations that resulted in the Joint Strike Fighter -- a plane made to be adaptable, affordable and stealthy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kNszWU7hTw


NOVA episode website:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/xplanes/

 

[Creative]

Wow thanks!

 

[Just call me Ray]

...if I was Boeing I'd pressure YouTube to take that down.

 

[donnage99]

...if I was Boeing I'd pressure YouTube to take that down.

They probably signed an agreedment with PBS more than a decade ago, so they probably can't do crap now (if this does not preach the agreement).

 

[Just call me Ray]

It was more of a bad, lame joke than anything else - maybe even an in-joke. A friend of mine (who happens to be as big an aviation nut as I am) and I were watching this when it was new in Feb '03, and both of us thought, despite its best efforts, it just didn't paint a very pretty picture of the Boeing JSF development process. If anything it made Boeing come off as cocky, self-assured, and, we thought, made them look like they thought all they had to do was show up and they would automatically win because they had slightly better money management and no shaft-driven lift fan compared to the Lockheed entry.

I remember this program quite well and I enjoyed it a lot - I thought it was very informative, and I think a lot of the most informative things it had to show was the behind-the-scenes stuff, especially on the Boeing side. In fact if I were a program manager I'd probably make it required watching.

Well, I guess hindsight is wonderful like that. I especially like the assertion the program makes as its final conclusion, that Boeing has a definite edge over Lockheed in the unmanned arena, and that the future unmanned market might very well be Boeing's to conquer.

SURPRISE!

 

[seruriermarshal]

how many X-32 they build ?

 

[Steve Pace]

Two - the X-32A and the X-32B. The X-32A was used to demonstrate the CV version.

 

[Jax-Jason]

Complete NOVA episode "Battle of the X-Planes"

Thanks for posting that.

 

[donnage99]

Is that supposed to depict the fanblades or radar blocker?

 

[flateric]

Blocker

 

[flateric]

Boeing JSF CWIP configuration desktop model

 

[Steve Pace]

The X-32 must have been 'hit with an ugly stick.' -SP

 

[emoorman]

I think the Yak design bureau was an early successful proponent of the vertical lift engine. I recall they went through 3 generations of aircraft and their planes used 2 small lift engines forward and a big engine for normal forward thrust, as well as deflecting it for tail lift.

It was my understanding that Lockheed Martin bought a large amount of data from Yakolev of their experience with this type of VTOL arrangement for a fighter. Their designs were fuel thirsty with 3 engines, so Lockheed went with a driven lift fan instead of the extra engines. Apparently, this arrangement gives very good lifting thrust, if it can be kept working.

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

It's not that bad-looking.... in a dorky sort of way.

 

[Anderman]

It's not that bad-looking.... in a dorky sort of way.

Strangely the models always look better then the real thing :

 

[InvisibleDefender]

I think the Yak design bureau was an early successful proponent of the vertical lift engine. I recall they went through 3 generations of aircraft and their planes used 2 small lift engines forward and a big engine for normal forward thrust, as well as deflecting it for tail lift.

It was my understanding that Lockheed Martin bought a large amount of data from Yakolev of their experience with this type of VTOL arrangement for a fighter. Their designs were fuel thirsty with 3 engines, so Lockheed went with a driven lift fan instead of the extra engines. Apparently, this arrangement gives very good lifting thrust, if it can be kept working.

LM did have a few meetings with Yakolev - but they didn't really bring anything new to the table. This idea that LM got 'something' from the Yakolev design bureau that made them go with a lift fan is a farce. And yes, of course driving the lift fan with the engine is much better than carring around gas for multiple engines!

 

[InvisibleDefender]

...if I was Boeing I'd pressure YouTube to take that down.

why?

 

[flateric]

PWSC F-32s single-piece canopy patent

Frameless aircraft canopy actuation system and method

Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.

www.freepatentsonline.com

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of the Royal Navy version of the Boeing Joint Strike Fighter proposal.

Source:
http://www.defense.gov/Photos/newsphoto.aspx?newsphotoid=504

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of Boeing JSF with Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor.

Source:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2000/photorelease/photo_release_000225o.htm

 

[sferrin]

Ye gods that's an ugly thing.

 

[Triton]

Artist's impressions of the Boeing JSF.

Source:
http://www.jsf.mil/gallery/gal_photo_cdp_boe_misc.htm

 

[Triton]

Artist's impressions of the Boeing JSF.

Source:
http://www.jsf.mil/gallery/gal_photo_cdp_boe_misc.htm

 

[bobbymike]

I know it is here at SP somewhere so please don't yell at me but wasn't there a "funky" third JSF competitor that did not make it past the drawing/model stage?

 

[Triton]

I know it is here at SP somewhere so please don't yell at me but wasn't there a "funky" third JSF competitor that did not make it past the drawing/model stage?

McDonnell Douglas / British Aerospace / Northrop Grumman team
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2392.0.html

 

[Triton]

Boeing X-32

Source:

X-32 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)

www.globalsecurity.org

X-32 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)

www.globalsecurity.org

 

[bobbymike]

I know it is here at SP somewhere so please don't yell at me but wasn't there a "funky" third JSF competitor that did not make it past the drawing/model stage?

McDonnell Douglas / British Aerospace / Northrop Grumman team
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2392.0.html

Awesome thanks Triton - Overscan's reply #6 was the one I was in my head