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For France, the sale of Meteor air-to-air missiles to Turkey is still far from being certain

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Pour la France, la vente de missiles air-air Meteor à la Turquie est encore loin d'être acquise - Zone Militaire

La petite phrase du président turc, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, n'aura pas manqué d'être relevée en Grèce. Le 7 février, après avoir eu un échange téléphonique
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(...). On February 7, after having had a telephone exchange with his French counterpart, Emmanuel Macron, Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan affirmed that “the intensification of dialogue” between France and Turkey would “contribute positively to relations” between the two countries, which have “a potential for cooperation in many areas, particularly in the defense industry”. (...).
During an informal meeting of heads of state and government of European Union [EU] member states on February 3 in Brussels, Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis (...) asked for details on the ongoing negotiations between Turkey and the European missile consortium MBDA, which are being carried out under the mediation of the United Kingdom, reported the Greek daily I Kathemirini on February 8. According to the latter, Mr. Macron “confirmed the discussions” before emphasizing “that no definitive agreement had been concluded with Turkey” and that an “agreement with Turkey should not be taken for granted”. (...).
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NH-90 as a technological stepstone for 6th Gen GCAP?!? :oops: :confused: :eek:

My God, when did the Brits got so bad in commerce?
 
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snne said:
What's somewhat ironic is that Turkey's own ramjet BVRAAM with cropped fins that is intended for internal weapons bay carriage, dubbed Gökhan, is slated to go under airborne testing next year.


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So this doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things other than a delay of a year or two at worst. We know that, in case of a Eurofighter purchase, Turkey plans to integrate indigenous weapons anyway so this isn't even that big of a leverage.

The only thing that might even make it a leverage is maybe being able to compare the test results of this new indigenous missile with Meteor's to get an idea of it's performance vis-à-vis enemy equipment; but as I said that doesn't even mean much in the long term.
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For France, the sale of Meteor air-to-air missiles to Turkey is still far from being certain

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Pour la France, la vente de missiles air-air Meteor à la Turquie est encore loin d'être acquise - Zone Militaire

La petite phrase du président turc, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, n'aura pas manqué d'être relevée en Grèce. Le 7 février, après avoir eu un échange téléphonique
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Turkish Ministry of National Defense:

“The Meteor missile is a new generation long-range missile of European origin, among the air-to-air missiles. We plan to add Meteor missiles to our inventory within the scope of the Eurofighter Typhoon procurement project.As we have always said, our priority is domestic and national weapons and systems. In this context, we plan to strengthen our Air Force with the GÖKHAN air-to-air missile, which is an equivalent to the Meteor missile that we are developing. Until the GÖKHAN missile enters the inventory, the procurement work for the Meteor missile along with the Eurofighter aircraft continues without any problems.
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TomcatViP said:
NH-90 as a technological stepstone for 6th Gen GCAP?!? :oops: :confused: :eek:

Now FCAS can epicureanly rules the non-Lightned world...

My God, when did the Brits got so bad in commerce?
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Errr.....you do know Leonardo are Italian?

Right?

And the UK has zero interest in NH-90.....in case you were unaware....

Do you honestly think Lorenzo Mariani is from Lancashire??
 
snne said:
(Via: @orko_8/Twitter)

According to the Spanish newspaper
@larazon_es, 40 Typhoon jets, the first 20 of which will be second-hand from the UK and the other 20 of which will be newly produced, are expected to enter service with Meteor missiles between 2026 and 2030.
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Those 20 would have to be Tranche 1, yes?
 
Kiltonge said:
Those 20 would have to be Tranche 1, yes?
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The newspaper's claim might be false though; on every occasion, the MoD has always said that they'd new planes.

What we can gather from all of this is, they're evaluating all options.

Second hand planes make sense due to urgent need of new airframes but why not wait a little longer and buy something that'll last longer and be more useful?
 
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@timmymagic : I was clearly confused reading the latest report on Typhoon for Saudi AF.

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Saudi Arabia can gain the industrial know-how it needs to participate in the GCAP fighter program by first setting up assembly lines for NH90 helicopters and Eurofighters, a senior Italian industrial official has said.

The Gulf kingdom needs to improve its aerospace skills before entering the sixth-generation jet program run by the U.K., Italy and Japan,
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My bad.

But what a curious claim by Leonardo. :rolleyes:
 
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Certainly is a weird set of circumstances Tomcat ViP. Helicopters and Typhoons before GCAP? Saudi should just ignore Leonardo and concentrate on getting into GCAP.
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Lately there have been reports of a heavy push by the Koreans to get them to sign a deal for KF-21 & a share in the future Korean 6th gen program.

Everyone's after that golden goose, you know...
 
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From the French Minister of Defense:

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Selon M. Lecornu, Paris n'a pas de rôle dans la vente éventuelle de missiles Meteor à Ankara par Londres - Zone Militaire

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“France is not concerned. […] We do not have control over British arms exports,” said the minister, before admitting that it was necessary to “measure the legitimate concern” of Greek public opinion generated by the potential sale of Meteor missiles to Turkey. Should we understand that Paris does not intend to block London's sales so as not to jeopardize its own?

“Do we have a role in this matter? The answer is no. The Meteor is grafted onto the Eurofighter. It is not us who are selling this platform to Turkey,” continued Mr. Lecornu. “And, on this matter, I think that we only have diplomacy and persuasion, in particular to find a path that allows everyone to talk to each other, to find a solution from above,” he added.
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Let's wait and see who gets the most votes in Germany had, I am sure that if it is the existing Government that wins the election the Turkey deal for the Typhoons will be signed as soon as possible.
 
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"Upon the official invitation of Commander of the Royal Air Force, General Sir Richard Knighton, Commander of the Turkish Air Force, General Ziya Cemal Kadıoğlu and his delegation paid a visit to United Kingdom on February 18-20. As part of the activity, they visited the Headquarters of the Royal Air Force and RAF Coningsby Air Base."

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Shame they missed an opportunity to display the meteor missile
 
Let’s not share any more news about Turkey before the signing ceremony happens, shall we?
 
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Forming the backbone of the modern Royal Air Force, the Typhoon has been continually upgraded throughout its service life and is a far more capable aircraft today than the one which first arrived at RAF Coningsby back in 2006. Now a familiar sight in Britain's skies, the Eurofighter Typhoon is the RAF's current airspace defender and, whilst it entered service back in 2006 as a dedicated air superiority fighter, this fourth-generation combat aircraft has proven itself to be much more than this.
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Combat-Master said:
"Greece's efforts to block Turkey's supply of Meteor missiles continue
-On Tuesday, February 25, Greek Defense Minister Nikos Dendias will meet with his British counterpart John Healey in London "
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That will be a very funny meeting...

All John Healey will have to ask is 'So what weapons does Greece buy from the UK exactly'?....the last order of any significance was the design of the Super Vita Missile Boats from VT in the early 2000's. And there wasn't much before that...peanuts in the grand scheme of things..

Hard to think of a European country with less leverage in the UK than Greece to be honest....especially with Greek shipowners doing their usual sanctions circumvention...
 
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timmymagic said:
That will be a very funny meeting...

All John Healey will have to ask is 'So what weapons does Greece buy from the UK exactly'?....the last order of any significance was the design of the Super Vita Missile Boats from VT in the early 2000's. And there wasn't much before that...

Hard to think of a European country with less leverage in the UK than Greece to be honest....especially with Greek shipowners doing their usual sanctions circumvention...
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A country of 10 million going door to door and throwing tantrums at the rest of Europe, all against a country of 84 million and five times the size, is honestly ridiculous. Yet somehow, this is exactly what's happening...
 
I do wonder how all the current madness is impacting the Polish decision on another fighter aircraft....

F-35, F-15EX and Typhoon are the contenders....

Poland already operates F-16, KA-50PL with F-35A on order....

If you were Poland would you put all of your fighter 'eggs' in the US basket right now?

I have a sneaking suspicion that its Typhoon's to lose right now...
 
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I do wonder how all the current madness is impacting the Polish decision on another fighter aircraft....

F-35, F-15EX and Typhoon are the contenders....

Poland already operates F-16, KA-50PL with F-35A on order....

If you were Poland would you put all of your fighter 'eggs' in the US basket right now?

I have a sneaking suspicion that its Typhoon's to lose right now...
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I too but lets wait and see. Thw Koreans allways have some Ace upon there sleeve which may influence the story.

What i think is more interresting is if we see more EFs for germany in case of the next Sondervermögen. That could be quite a big charge given that FCAS still needs 20 years and we similiar developments with MGCS and Leopard AX
 
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A country of 10 million going door to door and throwing tantrums at the rest of Europe, all against a country of 84 million and five times the size, is honestly ridiculous. Yet somehow, this is exactly what's happening...
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To be fair, with new changes,the more US wants to distance itself from european....fun, the more likely Greek efforts are worth it.

One thing is opposing Turkish procurement out of historical grievances(knowing that euroatlantic solidarity will step on biligerents), completely different thing is when country of 10 million may in fact find itself in a war with a much more valuable country of 84.
 
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To be fair, with new changes,the more US wants to distance itself from european....fun, the more likely Greek efforts are worth it.

One thing is opposing Turkish procurement out of historical grievances(knowing that euroatlantic solidarity will step on biligerents), completely different thing is when country of 10 million may in fact find itself in a war with a much more valuable country of 84.
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I don't think the Greeks have any leverage whatsoever. France won't oppose the sale of Meteor as they run the risk of the UK and others opposing any Meteor, or other MBDA product sale, with Rafale as a retaliatory measure.

The most they'll get is some ameliorating words from the French...
 
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I don't think the Greeks have any leverage whatsoever. France won't oppose the sale of Meteor as they run the risk of the UK and others opposing any Meteor, or other MBDA product sale, with Rafale as a retaliatory measure.

The most they'll get is some ameliorating words from the French...
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That's emerging now indeed - meaning that country's value is higher than value of "atlantic solidarity".
But that's the point - if Greece can get as much as delay from reminder of solidarity - that's the best use of something turning into mist anyway. Not throwing tantrums is useless.
 
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I do wonder how all the current madness is impacting the Polish decision on another fighter aircraft....

F-35, F-15EX and Typhoon are the contenders....

Poland already operates F-16, KA-50PL with F-35A on order....

If you were Poland would you put all of your fighter 'eggs' in the US basket right now?

I have a sneaking suspicion that its Typhoon's to lose right now...
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Typhoon, ECRS.Mk 2, LAD, Spear and a guaranteed EWOS capablity to allow sovereign Mission Data iteration.
 
Personal option: I think Poland should go for KF-21Ex (block 3) - as I think they are in process talk license to build in Poland it would be good option over F-35 - even pick Eurofighter Typhoon with ECRS.Mk2 for EW roles and similar roles F15Ex.

To avoid relying on the USA and more use European to common part and close, and USA wont support European in Russian attack European while Trump in the reins.

Even I'm aware the F-15Ex is possibly a better optional bomb truck or AAM Truck ever Eurofighter Typhoon - it is would more likely a Poland first choice.
 
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I do wonder how all the current madness is impacting the Polish decision on another fighter aircraft....

F-35, F-15EX and Typhoon are the contenders....

Poland already operates F-16, KA-50PL with F-35A on order....
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That's verging rather alarmingly into Egyptian or Thai style 'fighter cocktail'. What possible justification could there be for adding yet another logistics pipeline?
 
Kiltonge said:
That's verging rather alarmingly into Egyptian or Thai style 'fighter cocktail'. What possible justification could there be for adding yet another logistics pipeline?
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Avoiding over-reliance on the US...

djpowell1984 said:
Personal option: I think Poland should go for KF-21Ex (block 3) - as I think they are in process talk license to build in Poland it would be good option over F-35 - even pick Eurofighter Typhoon with ECRS.Mk2 for EW roles and similar roles F15Ex.
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They want them soon. And KF-21 is also very reliant on US components...including the engines.
 
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Avoiding over-reliance on the US...



They want them soon. And KF-21 is also very reliant on US components...including the engines.
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if they want now so Eurofighter is possible better option if they don't want the USA components.

F35-A or F-15ex is better obviously choice to be fair if want get soon and quick, if the Poland not mind use the USA components

ah you’re right about usa components in kf-21.
if poland ask license so south korea’s possible would allowed poland use Euro components ie EJ200 or other as they similar to USA engines as they was completion each other before selecting US engines. even block1/2 for soon then they have common part kf-21 ex (block 3) and previous block.
 

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