Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
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Hi! Tour in OAO Aviation complex. S.V. Ilyushin.
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You can see Il-30 model and Il-28P model in top and middle of the third picture.
Another site.
Конструкторское бюро "Ильюшин"
Недавно побывал на экскурсии в ОАО Авиационный комплекс им. С.В. Илюшина Образовано оно было в 1933 году. Приказом заместителя народного комиссара тяжелой промышленности СССР и начальника Главного управления авиационной промышленности П.И.Баранова на базе завода №39 имени…
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You can see Il-30 model and Il-28P model in top and middle of the third picture.
Another site.
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Hi! Il-22 and Il-24.
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"The IL-24 front bomber project remained unimplemented, with the predecessor's image, but with two more powerful UM TKRD-01 engines. The EI Expert Commission first approved the proposal in May 1947, but after a year the prototype was abandoned. A machine that is not equipped to operate from the ground airfields has been overburdened. Mass construction of runways with existing airfields at the time, the country could not afford.
At the same time, the option with four more promising English turbojet "Ning" was also considered. But he was still on paper."
Фронтовой бомбардировщик Ил-22. - Российская авиация
Фронтовой бомбардировщик Ил-22. :: Фронтовой бомбардировщик Ил-22. Разработчик: ОКБ Ильюшина Страна: СССР Первый полет: 1947 г. 1947 год - начало летоисчисления отечественной реактивной
Ил-22: первый взлет экспериментального... | ПАО «Ил»
Полный комплекс работ, связанных с разработкой, модернизацией, испытаниями и сопровождением производства воздушных судов марки «Ил»
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"The IL-24 front bomber project remained unimplemented, with the predecessor's image, but with two more powerful UM TKRD-01 engines. The EI Expert Commission first approved the proposal in May 1947, but after a year the prototype was abandoned. A machine that is not equipped to operate from the ground airfields has been overburdened. Mass construction of runways with existing airfields at the time, the country could not afford.
At the same time, the option with four more promising English turbojet "Ning" was also considered. But he was still on paper."
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Front bomber, Training version and Naval version.
And front bomber sharp three side view.
Actual wing root shape and cockpit shape are little different from model wing root shape and cockpit shape.
And this three side view drawing has no outer wing fence.
This site says that crew are three. But I can see small window behind the pilot. What is this?
"The crew of the aircraft - three people: a pilot, navigator and stern-shooter-radio operator, housed in two (front and rear) hermetic cabs. The pilot and the navigator entered the plane through a small door on the right side of the fuselage, and the shooter through the lower hatch of his cockpit. Between the cabs of the navigator and the pilot there was a passage allowing them to communicate with each other in flight. All crew members jobs had a strong armor protection. If there is an emergency in the flight, the MPA crew leaves the plane with the help of ejection seats, while the pilot catches up, and the navigator and the shooter - down. In case of an emergency landing on the water, all crew members could leave the plane through the upper hatches of their cabins and use the automatically disengaged rescue boat LAS-5M.
The defensive armament of the aircraft consisted of three guns, which had a high rate of fire and the power of a second volley. The front hemisphere was protected by a stationary gun, mounted on the left side of the fuselage. Two mobile cannons were installed in the stern of a remotely controlled turret, the combat qualities of which were significantly improved in comparison with the previously used defensive installations. The weight of the maximum bomb load of the IL-54 aircraft is 5000 kg."
Front bomber, Training version and Naval version.
And front bomber sharp three side view.
Actual wing root shape and cockpit shape are little different from model wing root shape and cockpit shape.
And this three side view drawing has no outer wing fence.
This site says that crew are three. But I can see small window behind the pilot. What is this?
"The crew of the aircraft - three people: a pilot, navigator and stern-shooter-radio operator, housed in two (front and rear) hermetic cabs. The pilot and the navigator entered the plane through a small door on the right side of the fuselage, and the shooter through the lower hatch of his cockpit. Between the cabs of the navigator and the pilot there was a passage allowing them to communicate with each other in flight. All crew members jobs had a strong armor protection. If there is an emergency in the flight, the MPA crew leaves the plane with the help of ejection seats, while the pilot catches up, and the navigator and the shooter - down. In case of an emergency landing on the water, all crew members could leave the plane through the upper hatches of their cabins and use the automatically disengaged rescue boat LAS-5M.
The defensive armament of the aircraft consisted of three guns, which had a high rate of fire and the power of a second volley. The front hemisphere was protected by a stationary gun, mounted on the left side of the fuselage. Two mobile cannons were installed in the stern of a remotely controlled turret, the combat qualities of which were significantly improved in comparison with the previously used defensive installations. The weight of the maximum bomb load of the IL-54 aircraft is 5000 kg."
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Also increase span? Wing sweep back angle decrease? Pilot cockpit height increase? Flap shape is different? Ventral radar size is different?
Fuselage cross section shape is different?
Technical Specifications IL-54 http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/aviaciia/5311-opytnyi-dalnii-bomba.html
Wingspan, M 17.65, Length, M 28.96, Height, M 7.90, Area of wing, M2 2.50
Mass, kg, -Empty aircraft 24000, -Normal flight 40660, -Maximum Flight 41600
Engine Type 2 turbojet al-7f, Traction, CSC, -Nonforcing 2 x 6500, -Forcing 2 x 10000
Speed, km/h, -Maximum height at 1250, -Maximum land at 1155, -Cruiser 910
Flight range, km 3000, Run-up, M 1075, Mileage, M 1150
Practical ceiling, M 14000
Crew, person 3
Armament: 3 x 23 mm HP-23 or 2 23 mm cannons TKB-4957: To protect the front hemisphere, one fixed front cannon installed on the left side of the fuselage; In the tail of the aircraft, a stern cannons installation (IL-K8) with a remote hydraulic drive of two mobile cannons. Internal suspension bombing: normal-3000 kg, maximum-5000 kg.
Another information.
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Also increase span? Wing sweep back angle decrease? Pilot cockpit height increase? Flap shape is different? Ventral radar size is different?
Fuselage cross section shape is different?
Technical Specifications IL-54 http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/aviaciia/5311-opytnyi-dalnii-bomba.html
Wingspan, M 17.65, Length, M 28.96, Height, M 7.90, Area of wing, M2 2.50
Mass, kg, -Empty aircraft 24000, -Normal flight 40660, -Maximum Flight 41600
Engine Type 2 turbojet al-7f, Traction, CSC, -Nonforcing 2 x 6500, -Forcing 2 x 10000
Speed, km/h, -Maximum height at 1250, -Maximum land at 1155, -Cruiser 910
Flight range, km 3000, Run-up, M 1075, Mileage, M 1150
Practical ceiling, M 14000
Crew, person 3
Armament: 3 x 23 mm HP-23 or 2 23 mm cannons TKB-4957: To protect the front hemisphere, one fixed front cannon installed on the left side of the fuselage; In the tail of the aircraft, a stern cannons installation (IL-K8) with a remote hydraulic drive of two mobile cannons. Internal suspension bombing: normal-3000 kg, maximum-5000 kg.
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Опытный фронтовой бомбардировщик Ил-54. СССР - Альтернативная История
Опытный фронтовой бомбардировщик Ил-54. СССР - Альтернативная История
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Terribly sorry. Perhaps I made a big mistake.
I think that this drawing is not reliable.
Engine interval is too large compared with actual Il-54 front view picture.
Engine interval/engine nacelle outer diameter=7.5, I think this value is 6.17.
Fuselage cross section is not circular nevertheless pressurized cabin.
I think that this drawing is not reliable.
Engine interval is too large compared with actual Il-54 front view picture.
Engine interval/engine nacelle outer diameter=7.5, I think this value is 6.17.
Fuselage cross section is not circular nevertheless pressurized cabin.
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I believe that this is a correct Il-54 three side view drawing.
Cockpit is small compared with actual Il-54 side view picture. Because this drawing shows No.2 prototype.
Wing sweep back angle is around 58°. Little large?
Horizontal and vertical tail stabilizer shape are good compared with actual side view picture.
(Please check page 153 of "OKB ILYUSHIN" if you have. You can see very rare IL-54 No.2 prototype picture with different cockpit shape compared with No.1 prototype and no outboard wing fence.)
I want to see Il-54 No.1 prototype three side view drawing.
Cockpit is small compared with actual Il-54 side view picture. Because this drawing shows No.2 prototype.
Wing sweep back angle is around 58°. Little large?
Horizontal and vertical tail stabilizer shape are good compared with actual side view picture.
(Please check page 153 of "OKB ILYUSHIN" if you have. You can see very rare IL-54 No.2 prototype picture with different cockpit shape compared with No.1 prototype and no outboard wing fence.)
I want to see Il-54 No.1 prototype three side view drawing.
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Hi! I believe that these drawings nearly shows IL-54 No.1 prototype(wing tip wheel retractable direction is old, and overall length is little short?) and No.2 prototype or unbuilt final plan.(Almost same scale)
Perhaps No.2 prototype or unbuilt final plan wing span is smaller than No.1 prototype wing span.
I believe that there is a rare IL-54 second prototype flying picture in Jane's all the world's aircraft in 1956-1957 or 1958-1959.
Someone has this volume? Perhaps copyright is over.
ОкОнчательный вариант : final option
Perhaps No.2 prototype or unbuilt final plan wing span is smaller than No.1 prototype wing span.
I believe that there is a rare IL-54 second prototype flying picture in Jane's all the world's aircraft in 1956-1957 or 1958-1959.
Someone has this volume? Perhaps copyright is over.
ОкОнчательный вариант : final option
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Hi! Il-74.
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Музей ОКБ им. Ильюшина
Музей ОКБ им. Ильюшина Довелось мне в марте 2007 года попасть в музей ОКБ Ильюшина. Как водится, такие интересные ведомственные музеи у нас закрыты и просто так попасть в них нельзя. Мне ж повезло — снимался репортаж про предприятия района и меня пригласили сходить в музей за компанию. Размер…
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Hi! IL-18.
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"Wingspan, M 41.10, Length of aircraft, M 29.86, Height of the plane, M 9.40, Area of wing, M2 140.0
Mass, kg : Empty aircraft 28490, Normal Flight 42500, Maximum Flight 47500
Type of engine 4 of the Al-73tk, Power, HP 4 x 2400
Maximum speed, km/h 565, Cruising speed, km/h 450
Practical range, km 4000, Practical Ceiling, M 9000
Crew, Person 5-6
Payload: Up to 66 passengers or 28 beds or 90 paratroopers and up to 7600 kg of cargo
Number of production : 1, First flight-17 August 1946"
Дальнемагистральный пассажирский самолет Ил-18 (первый). - Российская авиация
Дальнемагистральный пассажирский самолет Ил-18 (первый). :: Дальнемагистральный пассажирский самолет Ил-18 (первый). Разработчик: ОКБ Ильюшина Страна: СССР Первый полет: 1947 г. Весной победного 1945 года, во время
Музей ОКБ им. Ильюшина
Музей ОКБ им. Ильюшина Довелось мне в марте 2007 года попасть в музей ОКБ Ильюшина. Как водится, такие интересные ведомственные музеи у нас закрыты и просто так попасть в них нельзя. Мне ж повезло — снимался репортаж про предприятия района и меня пригласили сходить в музей за компанию. Размер…
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"Wingspan, M 41.10, Length of aircraft, M 29.86, Height of the plane, M 9.40, Area of wing, M2 140.0
Mass, kg : Empty aircraft 28490, Normal Flight 42500, Maximum Flight 47500
Type of engine 4 of the Al-73tk, Power, HP 4 x 2400
Maximum speed, km/h 565, Cruising speed, km/h 450
Practical range, km 4000, Practical Ceiling, M 9000
Crew, Person 5-6
Payload: Up to 66 passengers or 28 beds or 90 paratroopers and up to 7600 kg of cargo
Number of production : 1, First flight-17 August 1946"
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hesham said:
It was called Il-28S,a Project for front bomber with two VK-5 engines.
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From the site which discovered by the member; Kaiserbill,
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Aircraft | OJSC "Ilyushin Aviation Complex"
A full range of activities related to the development, modernization, testing, training and support of the production models of aircraft, continuing airworthiness of aircraft previously produced «IL»
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I think that the second drawing is incorrect.
- Tony Buttler & Yefim Gordon, Soviet Secret Projects Bombers Since 1945 (Midland Publishing, 2004), pp. #30-31
The Il-30 had a sequel shape of a project designated Il-38, which was a twin engined bomber powered by two TR-3 engines. It retained the Il-30's basic shape and carried the same bomb load but different from its predecessor in having smaller dimensions, a lower weight and a revised defensive armament borrowed from the Il-28 (comprising two forward-firing NR-23 cannon supplemented by the Il-K6 tail turret with two NR-23 cannon). There were three crew and the bicycle undercarriage gave way to a tricycle arrangement which differed from the Il-28, being more along the lines of that used on the Il-46 except that the twin wheels on each main leg were moved further apart to either side of the nacelle; this arrangement resulted in the characteristic low sit of the aircraft on the ground.
The project drew favorable comment from the Air Force but the military wished to see an improved airfield performance through the use of more powerful engines.
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Hesham, where did u take so old magazines (2011?!)
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