Turkey's Current Naval Programs Discussion

Combat-Master said:
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Official CGs from Anadolu Shipyard's website

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Obviously the first detail that sticks out is the Strike length MIDLAS VLS.
 
Aselsan Fersah submarine sonar solutions:

- Fersah-100S IA Cylindrical Intercept Index
- Fersah-100S FA Lateral Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S AO Active Sonar
- Fersah-100S PA90 Passive Range Finder Sonar
- Fersah-100S CA96 Cylindrical Index Sonar
- Fersah-100S ONAA/ONAH Self Noise Measurement Sonar

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1890311641486557491
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Scott Kenny said:
So, that's a SeaRAM equivalent?
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From Aselsan's website

"The new 20-missiles configuration of the GÖKSUR, namely GÖKSUR 100-N, features GÖKSUR IIR missile. It is an IIR-guided missile developed for air-to-air combat and now adapted for naval defense. GÖKSUR 100-N has 360 degrees target destruction capability, short deployment time at adverse sea conditions and multi-threat environment with its fast movement turret stabilization capability. It also has high effectiveness and capability of simultaneous multiple engagement with advanced fire control system with AI features and mid-course guidance capability against modern anti-ship threats. With its enhanced missile capacity, GÖKSUR 100-N offers greater operational flexibility and improves the vessel's situational awareness.

Different configurations of GÖKSUR PDMS, GÖKSUR 100-N VLS (flexible and modular Vertical Launcher System) and GÖKSUR 100-N/StA (turret with the ability to operate stand-alone) are also available, providing users with modular air and missile defense solutions"

www.aselsan.com

ASELSAN TO UNVEIL 20-MISSILES GÖKSUR - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com www.aselsan.com

Also the brochure, in English

 
Scott Kenny said:
Okay, better range and simpler missile launcher system (no need to spin up a missile before launch)
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Bigger missile. Turkey is also marketing a direct RAM competitor called LEVENT that's only 128mm in diameter vs 160mm and 75kg rather than 135kg. I'd argue this system is more conceptually aligned with a developed Sea Chaperall or NASAMS firing AIM-9X missiles. This is just a surface fired Merlin AAM, presumably with some sort of fin folding.
 
TinWing said:
Bigger missile. Turkey is also marketing a direct RAM competitor called LEVENT that's only 128mm in diameter vs 160mm and 75kg rather than 135kg. I'd argue this system is more conceptually aligned with a developed Sea Chaperall or NASAMS firing AIM-9X missiles. This is just a surface fired Merlin AAM, presumably with some sort of fin folding.
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This missile is also intended to be launched in a vertical launch configuration:

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For this test, they put the encapsulated missile suitable for VLS in a temporarily angled, special launcher with an exhaust duct on the ship's deck and launched it.

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snne said:
This missile is also intended to be launched in a vertical launch configuration:

For this test, they put the encapsulated missile suitable for VLS in a temporarily angled, special launcher with an exhaust duct on the ship's deck and launched it.
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As head of Aselsan states;

ASELSAN, in collaboration with TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully conducted the first launch of our domestically developed GÖKSUR IIR missile from the GÖKSUR 100-N VLS launcher system on the TCG Beykoz ship.

GÖKSUR 100-N VLS will provide easy integration into different platforms, offering modular and interconnectable multiple use options.
With the GÖKSUR IIR missile fired, data link capabilities, missile wing folding, and canister usage were successfully tested.

The GÖKSUR Point Air Defense System stands out with its 15 km range, IIR missile, vertical launch, and high effectiveness against threats flying close to the surface..We congratulate the TÜBİTAK SAGE and ASELSAN teams for their efforts in achieving this significant defense capability for our country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1891477210051252543
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We get to see the VLS launcher in it's non-standard configuration, which is fantastic because we can surmise the below deck footprint the VLS will have - would be nice to see smaller ships (perhaps even FACs) being mounted with a dozen of these cells - certainly wouldn't take much space below deck.

Folded control surfaces;
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Compact canister;
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And launcher;
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GOKSUR-DH missile itself;
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"The construction of Ç-159, the first ship of the 8-ship project, was successfully completed just 10 months after the contract was signed. After fitting out and testing activities, the ship will enter the inventory of the Turkish Naval Forces. It is planned to launch 6 ships by 2025. These ships are the fastest landing ships of their class"

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1893230563693040121
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Renderings of the LCT
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Landing Craft Tank (LCT) - Anadolu Shipyard

www.anadolushipyard.com www.anadolushipyard.com
 
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Combat-Master said:
ATMACA Anti Ship Missiles sub launched capsule system was shown to the public Today during inauguration of Reis Class Type-214TN submarine into service | Capsule launch system is likely to be used for Gezgin land attack missile (Turkish version of the Tomahawk or MdCN – NCM)
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NEW GENERATION G/M CAPSULE

Future Concept: Long-Range Capsule

Control propulsion system, battery, mission computer, inertial measurement unit, and propulsion system added to increase range:
  • Protection of submarine's stealth
  • Optimal use of the operational area
  • Capability of sudden attack, limited reaction time
  • Underwater/surface trajectory/concept optimization
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Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün Secretary of Turkish Defence Industries
"ATMACA, the steel sword of the Blue Homeland, will now hit its target from under the sea! We have confirmed the underwater guided missile firing capability, which is possessed by only a few countries in the world, with today's ATMACA firing. ATMACA, which was fired from a submarine, successfully completed its flight.

I would like to thank our Naval Forces Commander Admiral Ercüment Tatlıoğlu, the valuable personnel of our Naval Forces Command, Roketsan, the personnel of our Presidency, our engineers, technicians and all our subcontractors who contributed to this great success. Turkish defense industry is moving forward for a fully independent future on land, air and sea!"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899837046320984400
View: https://x.com/halukgorgun/status/1899837046320984400
 
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Combat-Master said:
Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün Secretary of Turkish Defence Industries
"ATMACA, the steel sword of the Blue Homeland, will now hit its target from under the sea! We have confirmed the underwater guided missile firing capability, which is possessed by only a few countries in the world, with today's ATMACA firing. ATMACA, which was fired from a submarine, successfully completed its flight.

I would like to thank our Naval Forces Commander Admiral Ercüment Tatlıoğlu, the valuable personnel of our Naval Forces Command, Roketsan, the personnel of our Presidency, our engineers, technicians and all our subcontractors who contributed to this great success. Turkish defense industry is moving forward for a fully independent future on land, air and sea!"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899837046320984400
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In short: Sub-launched, encapsulated Atmaca AShM test.

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Recently, a land based version of the same missile with bigger warhead and uprated engines flew over 600 km during a long-range test launch. So, what we're seeing might very well be the longest-ranged sub-launched AShM in NATO service.

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Combat-Master said:
Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün Secretary of Turkish Defence Industries
"ATMACA, the steel sword of the Blue Homeland, will now hit its target from under the sea! We have confirmed the underwater guided missile firing capability, which is possessed by only a few countries in the world, with today's ATMACA firing. ATMACA, which was fired from a submarine, successfully completed its flight.

I would like to thank our Naval Forces Commander Admiral Ercüment Tatlıoğlu, the valuable personnel of our Naval Forces Command, Roketsan, the personnel of our Presidency, our engineers, technicians and all our subcontractors who contributed to this great success. Turkish defense industry is moving forward for a fully independent future on land, air and sea!"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899837046320984400
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Sub-Launched ATMACA
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snne said:
In short: Sub-launched Atmaca AShM test.

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Recently, a land based version of the same missile
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Isn't the sub-launched radar guided as AShM? I don't think they developed the hybrid seeker yet.
snne said:
with bigger warhead and uprated engines flew over 600 km during a long-range test launch.
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+600km? As far as news goes its only +400km coming from the better engine and smaller guidance trought the IR seeker.
 
Combat-Master said:
STM 500 Mini Submarine has begun construction;
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBUUz26ePZc


STM500 Mini Submarine:
It will have a:
• Displacement of 550 tons
• Length of 42 meters
• Range of 4500+ nautical miles
• Diving depth: 250+ m
• Stay at sea: 30 days
• Max speed: 18+ kts
• 4 torpedo tubes (2 of them G/M compatible), 8 heavy torpedoes and G/M capacity
• 2 diesel generators
• Li-Ion battery
• Living space for 18 submarines and 6 special forces personnel


STM 500, designed in accordance with the class rules; It is designed to perform: submarine warfare, shallow water operations, submarine warfare, special forces operations, mine warfare, and intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance missions.

In addition to its 18-person crew, it can operate at depths of more than 250 meters for 30 days with a 6-person Special Forces team, while it has a total of 8 heavy torpedo and guided missile firing power with 4 ready-to-fire torpedo tubes.

CAPABILITIES | COMPETENCIES

• Submarine Warfare
• Special Operations
• Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance
• Mine Warfare
• Shallow Water Operations
• Unmanned Underwater/Aircraft Operations
• Immersion Depth: 250+ meters
• Duration at Sea: 30 days

SENSORS AND WEAPONS

• Combat Management System
• Navigation Radar
• Optronic Navigation and Assault Periscopes
• Torpedo Countermeasures - Decoys
• Electronic Support Measures (ESM)
• Floating Antenna (BWA)
• Sonars: CAS, CTA, PRS, MAS, IDRS, ONA
• 4 torpedo tubes (2 Guided Missile compatible shells) and 4 additional torpedo storage capacity
AKYA Heavy Class Torpedo

MAIN DRIVE SYSTEM

• Permanently Excited Drive Motor (approx. 1.5 MW)

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

• 2x Diesel Generators
• Lithium-Ion Batteries
• Optional: Air Independent Propulsion System

LIVING AREA

• Comfortable living space for 18 personnel
• Additional living space for +6 Special Forces personnel
• Captain's Cabin
• Kitchenette, dry food, ice rooms, separate dining halls
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Looks like some design changes on STM500 mini sub, increase in weight and length
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