T-X Trainer - Boeing T-7A Red Hawk

I was thinking they will use it as a flying test bed, in much the same way they have ARES. If not, I would say it's much more likely to either be scrapped or sent to the Western Museum of Flight. I don't think it would go to the Smithsonian as it isn't really a "historical" aircraft.
 
martinbayer said:
FighterJock said:
I can't really see them chopping it up and throwing the resulting pieces onto a scrap heap.
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Unfortunately I can - CF-105, anyone?

Martin
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Yeah, I was just thinking about how long the YF-23s were left to rot off in the corner of Edwards.
 
Does anyone know whether they are following the fixed price developmental model on this like they did on the tanker? Or will it be cost plus developmental and fixed price procurement?
 
bring_it_on said:
Does anyone know whether they are following the fixed price developmental model on this like they did on the tanker? Or will it be cost plus developmental and fixed price procurement?
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It looks like firm-fixed development, which definitely favors the T-50.
 
GTX said:
Safe money is still on the T-50 with LM.
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Assuming its not just a contest to see who can kiss more orange butt, I think Boeing the the Swedes might surprise us.
 
Moose said:
GTX said:
Safe money is still on the T-50 with LM.
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Assuming its not just a contest to see who can kiss more orange butt, I think Boeing the the Swedes might surprise us.
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Depends on how much of their own money Boeing and Saab are willing to spend on development. There's no way that they'll be able to do it all with government money and be even remotely competitive to the T-50, which is already largely paid for.
 
Certainly, and hence NG's decision to bow out. But Boeing and Saab haven't left, which suggests they're not shrinking from spending the money.
 
There's a big potential market beyond T-X and Boeing and SAAB know if they stick to their guns they can get a slice of the market.
NG has other stealthier and unmanned projects on the go and have moved on from building relatively 'mundane' trainers and BAE Systems is very risk adverse when it comes to making new aircraft so no doubt both sets of shareholders weren't really too bothered about not competing to the finish line. Both companies are more systems orientated than airframe producers. Cynically, maybe NG only competed to be in with a chance of a revenue stream if B-21 hadn't gone their way and I doubt BAE ever saw the N400 as a Hawk successor.
 
BAE is also has the Dreadnought SSBNs and the FCAS coming up (the latter will keep their aeronautical staff busy).
 
Hood said:
There's a big potential market beyond T-X and Boeing and SAAB know if they stick to their guns they can get a slice of the market.
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One that both the T-50 and M346 are already well involved with. Boeing/Saab had want to really have something outstanding if they wish to crack into that market as latecomers.
 
Anyone got this months Combat Aircraft? There is an interesting T-X supplement detailing the Boeing and Lockheed trainers as well as the trainers that dropped out, Leonardo and Northrop.
 
Hi,

http://aviationweek.com/defense/raytheon-out-leonardo-drs-touts-lower-cost-t-100?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20170324_AW-05_485&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_3&utm_rid=CPEN1000002229670&utm_campaign=9234&utm_medium=email&elq2=3c1fa108dea444f5a2ab33ee2db4362c
 
I'm in west Texas. Probably won't see that COMBAT AIRCRAFT for a while.

Outta curiosity, how many pages is that T-X supplement?
 
Hi,

http://aviationweek.com/military-trainers/sweden-eyeing-turboprop-trainer-if-boeingsaab-lose-t-x
 

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litzj said:
who will winthis competition? Is there any news about t-x?

recently, it is very quite
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The teams have submitted their bids and most should have also submitted the technical data as well so it will be quiet for a while as the acquisition community goes through its process. Lockheed did however fly their T-X in for an air show in Dayton OH recently..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLa2RPFbfzI
 
bring_it_on said:
litzj said:
who will winthis competition? Is there any news about t-x?

recently, it is very quite
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The teams have submitted their bids and most should have also submitted the technical data as well so it will be quiet for a while as the acquisition community goes through its process. Lockheed did however fly their T-X in for an air show in Dayton OH recently..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLa2RPFbfzI
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Highly surprised that Boeing was not there too flying their T-X at the Dayton air show.
 
litzj said:
thx for your comments

Boeing's design is not matured yet

Probably, they are busy to fly test
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Technical data have been submitted by Boeing to the program office. There is really little incentive for Boeing to be paying out of pocket for flight testing at the moment until a decision is made.

They may still continue testing but it will be no where as intense as what they were doing prior to their submissions. Not having the jet on display at Dayton or another US air show was a major screw up imho on part of Boeing.
 
Anybody seen NG's Model 400 lately? Any word if they'll continue further development?
 
XP67_Moonbat said:
Anybody seen NG's Model 400 lately? Any word if they'll continue further development?
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It has gone rather quiet for Northrop Grumman recently, hope they don't quit the T-X program, but then they do also have the B-21 Raider bomber program to contend with.
 
FighterJock said:
XP67_Moonbat said:
Anybody seen NG's Model 400 lately? Any word if they'll continue further development?
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It has gone rather quiet for Northrop Grumman recently, hope they don't quit the T-X program, but then they do also have the B-21 Raider bomber program to contend with.
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NG is not bidding on T-X. Can't imagine they'll go forward with the Model 400 is they aren't bidding on the largest trainer contract going.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/northrop-grumman-drops-out-of-t-x-trainer-competition
 
TomS said:
FighterJock said:
XP67_Moonbat said:
Anybody seen NG's Model 400 lately? Any word if they'll continue further development?
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It has gone rather quiet for Northrop Grumman recently, hope they don't quit the T-X program, but then they do also have the B-21 Raider bomber program to contend with.
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NG is not bidding on T-X. Can't imagine they'll go forward with the Model 400 is they aren't bidding on the largest trainer contract going.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/northrop-grumman-drops-out-of-t-x-trainer-competition
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I thought Northrop Grumman would drop out. What will happen to the sole flying T-X prototype? Hope it goes to a museum.
 
I can't see why a museum would display the Model 400. It's not historically significant in any way.
 

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