marauder2048
"I should really just relax"
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NeilChapman said:Would the 727 vs 757 be a better comparison? Either way I get your point.
NeilChapman said:Still - the Boeing T-X needs that afterburner for some reason whereas the NG T-X was built w/o one.
Ogami musashi said:boeing updated its crvs simulator technology to 20/20. During i/itsec 2016 they demoed it with a T-X simulator
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/training-simulation/iitsec-2016-boeing-sees-2020/
Harrier said:360 degree Boeing T-X cockpit video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p01yyPA1DdI
Poor Norm.
ocay said:
SNC/TAI Claims Freedom Trainer has %30 fuel efficent than T-38 Talon.
Source / Link (Turkish): http://c4defence.com/Gundem/iste-tainin-yeni-ucagi/3497/1NeilChapman said:...
Is there a link that goes with this?
Thx!
Trident said:With the new administration at the helm, I would guess that without a US partner they might as well throw in the towel.
NeilChapman said:Has anyone heard anything from NG lately? Have they thrown in the towel on this?
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marauder2048 said:NeilChapman said:Has anyone heard anything from NG lately? Have they thrown in the towel on this?
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NG announces tomorrow as well. Hopefully, we'll hear something about T-X.
marauder2048 said:https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/northrop-noncommittal-on-t-x-bid-433573/
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/trainer-price-wars-raytheon-wanted-millions-less-per-plane-than-leonardo
Some developments. Could be down to a two-way competition between the deeper pocket'ed OEMs.
NeilChapman said:Is the risk (margins too low etc) too high for NG? Perhaps they feel it would put them in a better resource (manpower, capital, overall capacity & focus) position for PCA bid. Certainly will be be better margins on a >USD100million jet than a trainer.
NeilChapman said:Is the risk (margins too low etc) too high for NG?
Trident said:NeilChapman said:Is the risk (margins too low etc) too high for NG?
Well, if it's the cost in money and resources of developing (or rather, completing development of) a clean-sheet airframe that they are balking at, there is now somebody with an established design looking for a partner...
marauder2048 said:Trident said:NeilChapman said:Is the risk (margins too low etc) too high for NG?
Well, if it's the cost in money and resources of developing (or rather, completing development of) a clean-sheet airframe that they are balking at, there is now somebody with an established design looking for a partner...
Maybe the third time is the charm after GD and Raytheon balked at the established design.
Or NG is just signalling to the DOD that the weightings in the RFP favor deeper pockets over deeper thoughts on
"the program’s lifecycle cost or for operations and sustainment cost" according to Gen. Deptula (USAF Ret).
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/time-to-get-serious-about-tx
FALLS CHURCH, Va., Feb. 1, 2017 -- The following is a statement by Northrop Grumman Corporation:
Northrop Grumman and its principal teammate BAE Systems have carefully examined the U.S. Air Force’s T-X Trainer requirements and acquisition strategy as stated in the final request for proposals issued on Dec. 30, 2016.
The companies have decided not to submit a proposal for the T-X Trainer program, as it would not be in the best interest of the companies and their shareholders.
Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems remain fully committed to performing on current and future U.S. Air Force programs, to deliver critical capabilities to America’s airmen.
bring_it_on said:Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems Statement on the T-X Trainer Program
FALLS CHURCH, Va., Feb. 1, 2017 -- The following is a statement by Northrop Grumman Corporation:
Northrop Grumman and its principal teammate BAE Systems have carefully examined the U.S. Air Force’s T-X Trainer requirements and acquisition strategy as stated in the final request for proposals issued on Dec. 30, 2016.
The companies have decided not to submit a proposal for the T-X Trainer program, as it would not be in the best interest of the companies and their shareholders.
Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems remain fully committed to performing on current and future U.S. Air Force programs, to deliver critical capabilities to America’s airmen.
CiTrus90 said:Seems strange that NG and BAE first try to pitch together the Hawk NG, then decide to go to a clean sheet design and once they start flying it, the T-X program is not in their best interest.
Was it in their interest in the last 6-8 months during which they didn't even try to market it?
Was it a half hearted attempt from the start?
Was it just intended to be a tech demonstrator rather than a trainer, maybe?
Or is it just like the fox that cannot reach the grapes and says they're sour?
CiTrus90 said:Seems strange that NG and BAE first try to pitch together the Hawk NG, then decide to go to a clean sheet design and once they start flying it, the T-X program is not in their best interest.
bring_it_on said:Was there anything substantial changed between the Draft RFI issued over the summer and the final document early January?
CiTrus90 said:Seems strange that NG and BAE first try to pitch together the Hawk NG, then decide to go to a clean sheet design and once they start flying it, the T-X program is not in their best interest.
GTX said:Given this latest development, I now strongly believe this competition is LM's to lose.
GTX said:Given this latest development, I now strongly believe this competition is LM's to lose.