Sukhoi PAK FA news and speculation (T-50, I-21) Part II [2008-2009]

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All programs on the Russian aircraft did not lost a single ruble in the face of crisis

VORONEZH, April 23. (ITAR-TASS) All programs on the Russian aircraft did not lost a single ruble in a crisis, is reported in Voronezh, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Viktor Khristenko.

According to V. Khristenko, "to minimize the impact of the crisis and address the current problems in the aircraft industry from the account Minpromtorga funded by 20 billion rubles. This decision was taken on aircraft and engine companies "to finance the additional sum of more than 10 billion rubles."

According to Khristenko, this means that "the Russian government clearly their priorities, which it developed in this area as one of the major aircraft and future directions of the Russian economy."
 
Looks interesting after they have cropped 890 mln from PAK-FA...or they didn't?
 
At the penalty of sounding stupid

Is PAK-FA pronounced "Pack Fah" or is it pronounced like "Pee-Ai-Kay dash Eff-Ai"?
 
I was pronouncing it Pak eeF. Ai.
So, I guess I'm half right no matter what ;D
 
PAK-FA or FAK-PA - will be clear in August
 
Do you have any information about, will be used sidestick at PAK-FA? And was the crashed su 35 prototype's malfunctioned (It's still unclear but) engine upgraded 117S? Will PAK-FA prototypes use this upgraded 117S engines?
 
medal64 said:
Do you have any information about, will be used sidestick at PAK-FA? And was the crashed su 35 prototype's malfunctioned (It's still unclear but) engine upgraded 117S? Will PAK-FA prototypes use this upgraded 117S engines?

I'm not really sure but maybe you're a specialist and can tell from this video? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Lgklyni4w
 
What apity Im not a specialist.I wish I would :-[ And also I couldn't see the video :(
 
All the pictures of the PAK-FA/T-50 they showed are all the ones we've seen before. Nothing new... :(

-----JT-----
 
Today I went IDEF2009 in Turkey and went to the Rosobonexport stand.And I asked one of the representative there for about the first flight of the PAK-FA.And he said in 2010.But he was not sure very well.He said if I was fallowing the news I could know better.But when I asked him does your information from an authorized source.He said yes.It's very confusing ???In Turkey most of the Rosobonexport representatives don't give any information about aircrafts.Because Russia's doesn't have any aircraft sale to the Turkey.
 
ROE stand - this was probably the last place on Earth where they could say anything concrete about PAK FA
let's wait for August
 
In Russia, a pilot's helmet fifth-generation aircraft


The protective helmet of the pilot's aircraft a fifth-generation specialists scientific-production enterprise "The Star", said director and chief designer of the company Sergey Pozdnyakov.

"At this time, the company began production of a pilot batch of helmets. We expect the fall to begin the test to complete them next year" - said the agency interlocutor.

According to him, the new helmet will be easier for existing ones. It will be equipped with a targeting system and a number of other innovations. The inner shell of the helmet to be customized for a specific form of the head pilot.

Based on a helmet the pilot is planned to develop broneshlem and a helmet for pilots of helicopters, he added Pozdniakov.

Source: newspaper «Hooter»,www.aviaport.ru
Published: 07.05.2009, 10:23
 
"Heat exchanger" equip the new fighters with air-conditioning


JSC "Production and Design Association" heat exchanger "will supply air-conditioning systems for serial production of new Russian fighter T-50 - PAKFA (forward-looking set of front-line aviation aircraft, developed by JSC" Company "Sukhoi" to replace the MiG-29 and Su-27). This is stated in official documents of the company. T-50 is completed with 41 of them re-established, and 11 th serial products "heat exchanger".PAKFA First flight is planned for the summer of 2009, the start of series production of new fighter jets scheduled for 2010, with anticipated construction of 430 machines for domestic and foreign customers. In addition to fighter T-50 "heat exchanger" will also recruit a Russian air-conditioning systems, highly maneuverable multi-purpose all-weather fighter generation "4 + Su-35 (Su-27M, serial code of the T-10M, Flanker-E on the classification of NATO). As part of the serial production of Su-35 Nizhny Novgorod plant will supply 35 and the newly developed 16 series products. Su-35 will be ready for serial production in the 2010-2011 biennium. Assumed the construction of nearly 300 aircraft for domestic and foreign markets.Net profit of "heat exchanger" in the first quarter of 2009 - 33.99 million rubles. (12,8% growth compared to the same period in 2008), sales -305.91 million rubles. (down 7%).

source:www.aviaport.ru
date:15.05.2009
 
Pavel Bulat (a professor of aerodynamics, regularly writing on paralay.com)
put out an image of the thing masked with scrim in his latest article.
It looks like the photos were taken before the recent visit of the government
delegation to KNAAPO.
Of course the pics are heavily edited.

http://www.paralay.com/stat/Bulat_12.pdf

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Looks beautiful...who knowns
 
it would be better that way ...
this is how PAK FA would look in Pavel's opinion, and this is not 'photos', but 3D rendering
and he's Ph.D, not Professor
 

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"Prepodavatel'" in university is "professor" in english.

And this is definitely an edited photo.
 
Just can't wait! Just can't wait, man!

Concerning the picture, I agree with flateric. It looks like a 3d rendering than a distorted photo. Looks pretty damn good, though!
 
sergey said:
And this is definitely an edited photo.

if it was so, Pavel would eventually stop his postings just after Paralay put that article online. believe me
 
last news from a trusty source after meeting with Pogosyan: there will be no sign of PAK FA imagery at MAKS :'(
 
flateric said:
if it was so, Pavel would eventually stop his postings just after Paralay put that article online. believe me

Grisha, may be he is "ottuda".
I mean perhaps Pavel is just creating a buzz on the eve of the official premiere.
 
Sergey, read this for example http://balancer.ru/2009/03/28/post-1883967.html
Seems idiotic to force Sevmash factory modeller to remove winglets on rear hydroplanes and mask launch tubes' covers on 941 Akula model intended for industry exibition (and that's in late 2000s!)? Or asking removing pumpjet on Borey models that are intended as presents to VIPs that just have visited shop with the real sub for launch ceremony? But that's the truth.
After you probably will understand what level of problems may cause such 'creating a buzz'.
 
hi

could this be it?
http://www.4shared.com/get/104473504/d73a75a/PAK_FA.html
 
saintkatanalegacy said:
hi

could this be it?
http://www.4shared.com/get/104473504/d73a75a/PAK_FA.html


Any comment, WHY this should be the real one ?? ???

Deino
 
another kid's drawing
 
A real insider already said (more than a year ago) that this is not PAK-FA, based on the information he had.
 
medal64 said:
Don't have any news about PAK-FA? :)

Nope and we probably won't get any until after August when the prototype's done. After that we might hopefully get at least photo or if Sukhoi's feeling generous maybe even a flight test video.
 
I could find one news:)

Putin "saved" yet another plant: the creators of secret Russian fighter promised not to dismiss

At KnAAPO where secrecy created a Russian fifth generation fighter PAK FA, began reducing the workforce. Already released 80 people, it is possible that further optimization of the number - previously referred to the reduction of more than a thousand people.However, the negative glow of the factory management and workers able to pay visit to KnAAPO Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The factory told about the agreement between Putin and the head of AKH "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyanom, however, the document still has not been seen.In these circumstances, continuing the creation of a super secret PAK-FA, the first flight by the Prime Ivanov promises already this year.

The "Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation production merge them. Gagarin (KnAAPO included in AKH" Dry "), the reduction started on 3 June, laid off about 80 people - told the factory trade union representative Paul Arslanova.But according to him, formally, by the time some people went to the factory yourself: "Knowing that the reductions can not be avoided, some employees chose to do so in advance by writing a statement on the resignations." In this promise, that skilled workers, including those who collect PAK FA, reduction did not affect - mostly retirees KnAAPO fired.Would have dismissed, is not yet known.

However, at the plant believe that large-scale reductions KnAAPO rescued May visit Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who showed the most secret development of Russia in recent years - the fifth generation multipurpose fighter PAK FA - to create it in the shops KnAAPO. It can be assumed that seen but not yet the finished product impressed the Premier, and he promised the company new orders.

"After the visit of Vladimir Putin, we were told that he and Mikhail Pogosyan (Chapter aviaholdinga" Dry ", approx.) signed some agreement guaranteeing boot KnAAPO new products. However, this document has still not been seen. But there is a shift to increased rates tariff level, for which we fought all the time. Zavodskaya administration has decided to meet the team and from September will be made to recalculate it, "- said Paul Arslanov.

But as the case with construction of the PAC FA - are still unknown. At KnAAPO flatly refused to discuss this topic - it had a subscription to withhold information containing state secrets. As the correspondent of "New Region" secret PAK FA is indeed strictly protected - for several years in the media do not trickled no one photo of this development, and its layout has never publicly demonstrated. Now the special variety of countries and simple avialyubiteli burned with curiosity, and the last cheat the interpretation of the look of the car. Judging by the majority of images, almost all artists compare with the Russian aircraft F-22 Raptor - features "American" guessed almost all the outline.

Meanwhile, based on statements by government officials who promise to fly PAK FA in 2009, it can be assumed that the center's secret airplane is almost ready. This gives hope that the statement by Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov term sailplane PAK FA will be able to really try. However, whether there are working engines and avionics - the big question. At the same time aware that the draft budget-2009 funding for the development of the PAC FA were going to cut to 938.1 million rubles.


Source: Information Agency «New Region»
Published: 05.06.2009, 17:09
 
Dragon029 said:
medal64 said:
Don't have any news about PAK-FA? :)

Nope and we probably won't get any until after August when the prototype's done. After that we might hopefully get at least photo or if Sukhoi's feeling generous maybe even a flight test video.
Do any of the Russian guru's on this forum know of significant milestones (in terms of specific dates) in the history of the Sukhoi Design Bureau? Sukhoi's official web site only talks about significant years (in overall history of the SDB) - not specific dates. And Roy Cochrun's site only gives a running indicator of any significant event happening on the day you read his site.

Reason why I am asking this is - i have heard on other forums (dont recall which one) - that one of the reasons Sukhoi is pushing so hard for a 1st flight in 2009 is because 2009 happens to be the 60th (is this correct?) year of the SDB.
So, if you extend that line of reasoning - its possible Sukhoi might fly the PAK-FA on/around a date representing a milestone of the company - probably as a morale booster for the company (and for the whole Russian military aviation complex in general).
 
2009 happens to be the 60th (is this correct?) year of the SDB.

Pavel O. Sukhoi opened his own OKB in 1939.
 
Indeed. Sukhoi OKB was disbanded in 1949 and revived in 1953 after Stalin's death.
 
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/06/random-5-paris-air-show-day-1.html

By Stephen Trimble on June 15, 2009 4:46 PM

Sukhoi is suddenly coy about the prospects for the first flight of the T-50 demonstrator by end-year. It was only a few months ago that Sukhoi CEO Mikhail Pogosyan confidently predicted the PAK-FA demonstrator would fly before 2010. Asked about that prediction today, he told reporters that Sukhoi would have more information about first flight at the Farnborough air show next July.

??? ??? ??? Kidding? Teasing? Postponed again??? :'( :'( :'(
 
In my opinion at Le bourget they mostly want to get attention about SSJ100.Not the military products.But against the everything it's not much diffucult to say at least before 2010!!!I hope we are not a game's players:)
 
"Dry" period of time called the first flight of fighter 5 th generation


The "dry" can begin testing the new fifth-generation fighter "after two years." This, according to Interfax, 16 June at Le Bourget said the company's general director Mikhail Pogosyan.

According to him, is not yet time to talk about the new plane. At the same time he admitted that a substantive conversation about testing the fifth-generation aircraft could take place during the air show in Farnborough, to be held in 2010.

Pogosyan said that "dry" is working on building the experimental samples. "Preparing for the start of the test. Holding talks with Indian counterparts on joint participation in this project," - said the director.

Russian fifth generation fighter is expected to be slabozametnym for radar, high-speed aircraft, equipped with sophisticated electronic equipment.

Currently, the fifth generation fighter F-22 and F-35 are produced only in the United States, but by the U.S. Army had only the first of them. The second project funded by the U.S. in conjunction with partner countries.

Source: news agency "Lenta.Ru"
Published: 16.06.2009, 15:59

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