Sukhoi PAK FA news and speculation (T-50, I-21) Part II [2008-2009]

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Russian aircraft corporation MiG "was headed by director of" Sukhoi "Mikhail Pogosyan


The Director General of the Soviet / Russian aircraft corporation MiG appointed Mikhail Pogosyan, head Aviatsionnuyu holding company Sukhoi, told Interfax-AVN on Sunday a source in the Government of the Russian Federation.

"Order Rosimuschestva from December 31, Mikhail Pogosyan was appointed head of a corporation MIG for a period of three years.The same order of former head of the corporation Anatoly Belov relieved from his post - said the agency interlocutor.

He recalled that at the end of last year, meeting the board of directors of OJSC "Russian aircraft corporation MiG, recommended approval of M. Poghosian office director of the corporation.

According to the interlocutor agency shortly M. Poghosian will be formally presented to the staff of the corporation and will assume responsibilities of the director of RSK MiG. "In doing so, he would retain the post of head of the Aviation Holding Company Sukhoi," - said the agency interlocutor.

Source:www.aviaport.ru
Date:11.01.2009
 
funnily enough the weekly standard entry contains no reference to India and brings in Brazil at the end.

New Year hangover?
 
i had no idea the weekly standard kept up on stuff like that.
 
It seems that my early (and not very accurate) drawings of MiG izdelije 33 and fictitious Sukhoi PAK FA, based on the overscan's hand sketch will be living forever ::) Of course - a friend of mine noticed me about that, I had no idea about.
 

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...and today, Sergey Ivanov says that first flight wil be in 2010..."strictly according to schedule"
http://www.izvestia.ru/news/news196062
 
Sergei Ivanov will hold a meeting of the MIC on the willingness to test the aircraft 5 th generation


Vice Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov will visit today with a working visit the Astrakhan region, which will hold a retreat meeting of the Military Industrialization Commission. As reported in the secretariat of the vice prime minister, the meeting will focus on the readiness of the Russian polygons to top Test fifth-generation aircraft.

The meeting will be attended by First Deputy Chairman of the Governmental Commission Vladislav Putilin, glavkom Air Force Alexander Zelina, head of the company "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyan, the governor of Astrakhan Region Alexander Zhilkin.

As Sergei Ivanov said earlier, the fifth generation of the test aircraft is scheduled to begin next year.

Serial production, the head of the company "Sukhoi", dedicated to the development of the aircraft could be launched in 2015.

Today Ahtubinske Ivanov also visited the State flight test center named V. Chkalov Defense and get acquainted with its test base.In particular, the vice-premier to demonstrate progress in testing the aircraft SU-34 and MiG-35.

Ivanov then go to Astrakhan, where as head of the board of trustees of charity fund sports programs "new generation" to take part in the opening ceremony of the Universal Sports Complex.

date:21.01.2009
source:www.aviaport.ru
 
Sergei Ivanov: Tests of the fifth-generation combat aircraft should start in 2009

January 21, 2009
/ AVIA.RU /

January 21, AVIA.RU - Tests of the fifth-generation combat aircraft should start in 2009, and take it to weapons - in 2015, said today at a retreat Military Industrialization Commission, with the Russian government Ahtubinske Vice-Premier Sergey Ivanov.

This tells the portal 'Vesti.Ru'.

"Testing should begin as early as this, in 2009, and in 2015 set the fifth-generation aircraft, as saying in a simple, fifth-generation aircraft, which will become the base frontovym Air Force plane, should be adopted by the", - said Mr. Ivanov.

According to ITAR-TASS, the vice-premier noted that the new aircraft would have "a number of unique features that have not yet had no domestic flight.This, in particular, the use of secrecy, low visibility and long supersonic flight, is deeply integrated multifunctional complex on-board equipment the new architecture, multi-use of aircraft destruction and highly automated system for Defense - passes' Vesti.Ru '.

Sergei Ivanov stressed that we have come to the point where you need to prepare the flight and ground facilities for testing. He also noted that many of the characteristics of a set of new aircraft, it is simply impossible to work out of existing landfills-test basis. "

Moreover, Ivanov said, "given the novelty inherent in the design and technological solutions and advanced combat capabilities, you need to think about recycling programs and methods of some tests, the modernization of existing and creation of a new stand and test the base" - the agency
 
tests fifth-generation fighter aircraft should begin in 2009
12:33 21/01/2009

RIA Novosti. Tests of the fifth-generation combat aircraft should begin in 2009, and take it to weapons - in 2015, said Vice-Premier Sergey Ivanov, who supervises the implementation of government weapons programs.

Previously, it was assumed that the first fifth-generation fighter will rise into the air in 2010.

"I stress tests must begin as early as 2009, and in 2015 set the fifth-generation aircraft is to be adopted by the Air Forces of Russia", - said Ivanov, speaking Wednesday at a meeting of the Military Industrialization Commission of the Government of the Russian Federation.

According to him, Russia is already close to the creation of the first prototype aircraft lot. "

The new aviation complex will have a number of unique features: day and night, vsepogodnost and the use of secrecy, low visibility and long supersonic flight, said Vice-Premier.The aircraft will receive a new on-board navigation station, and highly automated defense system.

Ivanov noted that, given the novelty of the principle of military aircraft to rewrite the program and methodology of some of the tests, as well as to modernize the bench and a test base.

According to the vice-premier, the military-industrial complex should also think about creating a new site for testing aviation equipment in the marine environment.
 
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Hmmm ... sonds more like a "wish" than a fact ! ??? ... If he would be sure, why don't just say "tests will" begin in 2009.

Deino
 
you can also say that airframe [structural] tests will begin in 2009 (after delivery of first airframe to TsAGI a-la first SuperJet 100) - missing word structural, and no one can say then that you was kidding...
 
Flateric you know I respect your ideas but at all interviews Mr.Ivanov is talking about the first flight.But against the everything Im getting nervous about the first flight will be in 2009 or at Maks 2009.Because they are started to say we were planning to the first flight for 2010!And maybe after 5 or 6 months later they can say the first flight will be in 2010!It doesn't make me suprise,because at the first time I saw in an interview,2010 for the real first flight date!


The first fifth-generation fighter will rise into the air before the end of this year - Ivanov


Astrakhan, on 22 January.(Itar-Tass) The first fifth-generation fighter will rise into the air before the end of this year, reported on 21 January in Astrakhan, Vice-Premier Sergei Ivanov.

"With regard to the first aircraft, which will rise into the air, it has already built - said Ivanov. - We expect that vykatka aircraft and climb it in the air will be held no later than the end of 2009."

Ivanov explained that the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur completed the first production aircraft, which will be held ground-based tests in Zhukovsky in Leah them. Gromov."This laboratory will be the entire set of tests. This will be done this year," - said Ivanov.

Earlier in the retreat meeting of the Military Industrialization Commission of the Government of the Russian Federation, held on 21 January in Ahtubinske Ivanov also said that in 2015, "fifth-generation aircraft set to be adopted at the weapons."

Vice-Premier noted that the new aircraft would have "a number of unique features that have not yet had no domestic flight.This, in particular, the use of secrecy, malozametnost and long supersonic flight, is deeply integrated multifunctional complex on-board equipment the new architecture, multi-use of aircraft destruction and highly automated system of defense.

At a meeting held in the Summer Test Center.Chkalov, reviewed progress of work on the preparation of the test base for new aircraft. Ivanov stressed that we have come to the point where it is necessary to prepare flight and ground base.He noted that many of the characteristics of a set of new aircraft, it is simply impossible to work out of existing landfills-test basis. "

In addition, he said, "given the novelty of design and technological solutions and advanced combat capabilities, you need to think about recycling programs and methods of some tests, the modernization of existing and creation of a new bench and the test base."

As noted, in turn, the head of the company "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyan, "the program of establishing the planned aviakompleksa" fifth-generation multi-plane "is performed in accordance with the timetable." "Today a number of new technologies preserving its Su-35, but the company" Sukhoi "is already coming close to the beginning of full-scale testing of new generation fighter," - he said.In this regard, stressed Poghosian, increased requirements for equipment, landfills, processing the results of operations.
 
Ivanov: the fifth generation fighter aircraft to rise into the air before the end of the year

18:09 21/01/2009

Astrakhan, Jan 21 - RIA Novosti. The first flight was the fifth-generation combat aircraft by the end of 2009, said Vice-Premier Sergey Ivanov, who supervises the implementation of government weapons programs.

"We expect that vykatka the plane and climb it in the air held no later than the end of the current, 2009-year" - said Ivanov journalists.

Previously, it was assumed that the first fifth-generation fighter will rise into the air in 2010.

According to the vice-premier, the production union of "dry" in Komsomolsk-on-Amur is already almost completed the construction of the first aircraft would not be flight-tested.

This prototype will test the strength of Leah im.Gromova in Zhukovsky.

But already this year will be built and the first set of the fifth generation aircraft, which podymetsya in the air, said Ivanov.

"Dry" is already coming close to the beginning of full-scale testing of new generation fighter, said in his turn, Director AHK "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyan.

According to him, the creation of this aircraft is done in full accordance with the schedule.

"Today a number of new technology worked on aircraft" Su-35 "- said Pogosian.

Fifth-generation aircraft is expected to have a number of unique features: day and night, vsepogodnost and the use of secrecy, low visibility and long supersonic flight.The aircraft will receive a new on-board navigation station, and highly automated defense system.



Maiden flight of fifth-generation fighter this year: Russia

Moscow (PTI): Russia has said the maiden flight of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), being developed by its Sukhoi design bureau in tie-up with Indian aerospace and defence major Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), will be made by the end of the year.

"We expect the aircraft to take to the skies no later than the end of this year," Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

Earlier the maiden flight of the new air superiority stealth multi-role fighter featuring high manoeuvrability and precision in destroying land and sea targets was expected in 2010.

Ivanov, a close Putin ally and former Defence Minister, made this announcement in the South Volga region of Astrakhan, where he is on a visit to supervise the construction of facilities for the trials of the next generation fighter.

Under the bilateral agreement signed in October 2007, FGFA is being developed by Sukhoi, which is now part of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), along with India's HAL.

India and Russia will simultaneously develop a two-seater version of the war-bird to meet the requirements of India's air superiority doctrine, and a single-seater version for the Russian Air Force.

The Hindu News Update Service

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Prototype #01 (completed airframe) to commence structural/static testing @ Gromov, Zhukovsky imminently

Prototype #02 (final assembly) scheduled for first-flight by year-end ('09).
 
Maxim Pyadushkin writes: It looks like Russian government and military officials are in a hurry with the development of the country’s fifth-generation fighter, officially dubbed PAK-FA (Russian acronym: Future Aircraft System of Front-line Aviation). On January 22, vice-premier Sergey Ivanov announced that the new aircraft should start testing as soon as this year and enter service in 2015. “We are already close to finishing the first prototype from the pre-production series” he added.


Last December, Russian Air Force commander Gen-Col Alexander Zelin was more precise, saying he hopes to see the first flying PAK-FA prototype ready by Air Force Day on August 12. He was also sure that the new aircraft would begin test flight this year. Such announcements can be also explained by the MAKS air show that will take place near Moscow this August. MAKS is where the national state-controlled defense industry demonstrates its achievements to the country’s leaders, lobbing for budget subsidies and procurement orders. If PAK-FA does not roll out of Sukhoi’s hangars before the air show, it is likely to cause serious criticism from the government side.
Bill Sweetman adds: Good luck on the 2015 bit – but if the RusAF and Sukhoi adopt a strategy of building an “A” model using engines, avionics and weapons being tested for the Su-35, which seems likely, development could be faster and less costly that one might expect. And at least today's Russian leaders don't use Joe Stalin's performance-incentive plan...
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Astrakhan, Jan 21 - RIA Novosti. The first flight was the fifth-generation combat aircraft by the end of 2009, said Vice-Premier Sergey Ivanov, who supervises the implementation of government weapons programs.
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Its his job to paint a rosy picture, and put on the usually song and dance. I wouldn't take anything said by anyone close to the project, to seriously. They are after all trying to sell something
 
Do you think that will PAK-FA use the F-22 style more stealth engine nozzle at the latest AL-41F1? configuration.
 
Axisymmetrical nozzles on PAK FA - it's well known for a long.
 
Triton said:
Does anyone have pictures or artwork of the likely configuration?
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Lots of places do. It's all fan art though.
 
India and Russia aim to fly joint fifth-generation fighter by 2017
By Siva Govindasamy

India and Russia hope to induct their joint fifth-generation stealth fighter by 2017, with officials from both countries hoping to iron out their differences in the coming months and sign a development contract by mid-2009.

"There have been differences between the two air forces, as both have specific requirements," says M Fakruddin, director for corporate planning and marketing at Hindustan Aeronautics. HAL will lead the Indian side of the programme. "These issues will be sorted out soon and by the middle of the year we expect to start work so that the aircraft is inducted by 2017."

The countries began talks in 2007 to develop a fifth-generation fighter based on the Sukhoi PAK-FA, which Russia hopes will have its first flight by the end of 2009 and is pegged as a challenger to the Lockheed Martin F-22 and Lockheed F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Last year HAL and Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport agreed to study the joint development of a fighter. Since then, however, there have been differences over the aircraft's design and New Delhi's level of involvement in the project.

"Two major issues must be resolved. India was asked to invest a lot of money, but is unhappy with the level of access to sensitive technology that the Russians plan to give in return. In addition, the Indian air force is keen on a two-seat fighter, while Russia prefers to focus on a single-seater," says a New Delhi-based observer.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ighter-by.html



Flateric I'm observing that you are always right about the dates and development stages of the aircrafts:))And I have a question more,did Sukhoi company send the first aircraft for the strenght tests or when will they send and in your opinion when the first aircraft for the flight test can be ready for ground tests?:)
 
Just something to think about ... even if not 100% representative its a comparison / list made by "Scorpion" (via the FlugzeugForum) of time between first flight and service introduction - meaning earliest date of delivery (and not IOC) of several recent types:

http://www.flugzeugforum.de/forum/showthread.php?t=4550&page=5

JAS 39
first flight 1988
service introduction 1996
= 8 years

Rafale
first flight 1991
service introduction 2000
= 9 years

Eurofighter
first flight 1994
service introduction 2003
= 9 years

F-22
first flight 1997
service introduction 2003
= 6 years

For several types we have to add some additional time as they flew at first as a technology demonstrator :

Rafale A 1986 = 14 years
EAP 1986 = 17 years
YF-22 1990 = 13 years

And now - even with the severe circumstances in Russia between collapse of the SU, ...

Su-34
first flight 1990
service introduction 2006
= 16 years

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So one may ask even if we agree on this year for the PAK-FA's first flight to 2015/17 for service entry and if the first PAK-FA prototype really represents a final serial standard (??!) are very, very demanding ... and I would say at least optimistic !

Even if we have to account the experiences and the knowledge gained thru the Su-47 or MiG MFI and keeping in mind how far they proceed with other sectors like powerplant, avionics, materials, weapons, FCS, ...

A hefty schedule I would say !

Deino :eek:
 
Deino, agreed. I suppose also that crisis will play its role as well, in spite of all the efforts and blah-blahs. We see how did it affect SuperJet100 program...and note - F-22 did fly in 1997, but it's prototype did it in 1990, so 13 years cycle for a direct PAK FA contender.

It's surely the most awaited aircraft on the world scene now.

But note as well - IL-2 Shturmovik - prototype -1939, first serial aircraft - 1941=)
 
What about can we add the timetable for the PAK-FA;Su 47 and Mig MFI?Do you think did PAK-FA development start in 2002 or did it start with the first flights of the Su 47 and the Mig MFI?Wont these projects speed up the development of the PAK-FA?
 
Do you think,will we see something about the PAK-FA at Indian airshow.I hope to see at least some brochures!!!Sukhoi officials started to talk about PAK-FA at British airshow and maybe they can show the first pictures at Indian airshow!!!This show is very important for Mig corporation and I think they need to show the world they are working on the PAK-FA's Indian version.Since 2007 we couldn't see anything without signed agreements and still there is planning one more agreement mid 2009!!!When will they start full developmentit's confusing.There passed two years but it seems that they still couldn't fully specify the Indian airfoce's needs at this aircraft)
 
Deino said:
Just something to think about ... even if not 100% representative its a comparison / list made by "Scorpion" (via the FlugzeugForum) of time between first flight and service introduction - meaning earliest date of delivery (and not IOC) of several recent types:
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It would be interesting to look at the original schedule for each type's delivery. In other words, how many delays of their own did they face? In 1990, did the U.S. Air Force really expect to wait another 13 years for the first F-22?
 
Flight testing of the fifth generation airplane will begin in the year
13:48 12/02/2009 13:48 12/02/2009

BANGALORE (India), February 12 - RIA Novosti. Flight test promising aviation complex tactical aviation (PAKFA, fifth-generation aircraft) is scheduled to begin within a year, said the head of the United Aircraft Corporation "MiG" Mikhail Pogosyan.

"The beginning of the fifth generation aircraft testing will begin within a year" - said Pogosian at a press conference in Bangalore in the air show Aero India-2009 ".


He stressed that the creation of the aircraft will be carried out in close cooperation with India.

"I want to say that cooperation with India will be very broad, and those agreements that have been signed between us, they provide a 50 partnership in 50", - said Pogosian.

По его словам, многие системы самолета находятся в разной степени готовности. According to him, many of the aircraft are in varying degrees of readiness. The work is complicated by the fact that the prepared three versions of the aircraft: single, double deck.

"Nevertheless, the amount of work already, you can start flight tests during the year", - stressed Pogosian.


As the head of the KLA Corporation Alexei Fyodorov, the Russian and Indian versions of the fifth-generation aircraft will be somewhat different.

According to him, the glider will be a single, but the differences may relate to engines and electronics, due to the different requirements of the Air Force two countries.

The need to provide for the installation of the engines due to the fact that the plane was expected to deliver and in a third country.

The elements of the airframe of the aircraft will take place simultaneously in Russia and India, after which the parties will share those details for later assembly on its territory.

"RSK "MiG" - a full cycle, combining all aspects of manufacturing, sales, maintenance and repair of aircraft of "MiG".

Corporation in March 2008 was transformed into a Russian open joint stock company.The authorized capital of RSK "MiG" is 6071 billion rubles.". 100% of the shares of RSK "MiG", belonging to the Russian Federation, is scheduled to make in the charter capital of OAO United Aircraft Corporation.
 
Test flights of the fifth generation fighter will be initiated during the year


February 12, 2009


/AVIA.RU/
February 12, AVIA.RU - fifth-generation aircraft will begin test flights during 2009.Such information with reporters on Thursday gave CEOs "Dry" and "MiG" Mikhail Pogosyan aviavystavke at Bangalore - said «Interfax».
According to Pogosyan, «the amount of work that is performed, allowing for a year to begin testing the aircraft.He stressed that the development of fighter aircraft is continuing.Different versions of the fifth generation aircraft, including a double machine, as well as options for ship-based aircraft.
Remember, creating the fifth-generation aircraft will take place in conjunction with the Indian side.
 
Is there nothing said (official or not) about any link between the Pakfa and the T54-4M-60 programs? would the russians beging from there (began...better said), will they choose that kind of romboidal wing (like the f18/23)?

Probably something like this?
 

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Is there new information about the status of the program?And do you have any information about what is the latest situation at the Indian version Flateric? :)
 
already not...Major and Baveja wisely don't want to pay 5 billion for getting small bits of 5 gen tech.
Pogosyan wisely thinks that it's too cheap for sharing 5 gen tech
India wants two-seater, we want to sell RUAF single-seater and return R&D money.
Someone is cheating. Or both=)

What to talk about if they didn't sign an hard agreement in two years?
 
Thanks flateric:).Do you have any information,did they send the first prototype for the static tests to the Zhukosky?
 
think no, because when it will be so, we'll be reading about this three times a week
 
I found a news at military interfax but I have no subscription,Can you find the full news please:)

*Rostekhnologii, UAC to cooperate on fifth-generation jet fighter project*
 
MOSCOW. March 11 (Interfax-AVN) - The Rostekhnologii (Russian Technologies) state owned corporation and the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) will jointly pursue a program to develop a fifth-generation jet fighter.

"We will work together with the UAC in industrial programs, including the creation of a fifth-generation airplane, and in other projects. Rostekhnologii will take part in all of the UAC's programs," Rostekhnologii General Director Sergei Chemezov said at a ceremony in Moscow on Wednesday, during which the state corporation and the UAC signed a cooperation agreement.

Rostekhnologii's 80 enterprises that act as suppliers for plants belonging to the UAC will be merged into several instrument making holdings that will cater to the needs of the aircraft manufacturing sector, said Chemezov, who is also chairman of the Russian Machine Building Union.

Russia's fifth-generation jet fighter is being developed by the Sukhoi Holding. Its flight trials are expected to start in 2009. The new aircraft will be super-maneuverable and use stealth technology to make it harder to be detected by radars. It will fly at supersonic speeds and all weapons will be installed inside its fuselage.
 
I don't think this is close to the PAK-FA design. I expect a lot more Su-27 DNA in the mix. I'm willing to be surprised though.
 
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