Sukhoi PAK FA news and speculation (T-50, I-21) Part I [2006-2008]

[flateric]

Paralay never stated that this is a truth in the last instance, though.

 

[sferrin]

Eh... what else would you expect at this stage? ;D

At least a wind tunnel model if they still expect to fly it in 2009.

 

[Tuomasn]

At least a wind tunnel model if they still expect to fly it in 2009.

Well they certainly won't release such pictures publicly.

 

[sferrin]

At least a wind tunnel model if they still expect to fly it in 2009.

Well they certainly won't release such pictures publicly.

They could at least release an accurate artist's concept. Those are often out there well before the rollout.

 

[vajt]

Well did anyone notice that the CAD testing drawings in Paralay's website (supposedly Channel 1 Russian news also showed the radar? testing CAD drawing) of the suppsoed PAK-FA, does have a similarity to the NPO Saturn "leaked" PAK-FA drawing?

-----JT-----

 

[flateric]

All this thread about this.

 

[flateric]

Regarding NPO Saturn drawings (BTW, removed from the site and replaced by Joseph Gatial eary rendering) - from July,11 Jane's Defence Week: "Sources in Moscow report that this depiction of the PAK-FA was handed to NPO Saturn General Director Yuri Lastochkin by Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosyan. At the time, Pogosyan is reported to have told Lastochkin that this was an "unclassified plan form that did not represent the final design of the aircraft", but was an example of a "work in progress". Meantime, Andrey Fomin's magazine Vzlyot (www.take-off.ru) states that "image was found by one of Saturn employee at 'one of Indian forums' and placed at the site." Guess made that images leaked from presentation on PAK-FA for Indian AF made by Sukhoi in search of cooperation.

 

[Ogami musashi]

Who would like to cooperate with such an ugly thing?


And all in one, all those "this image doesn't represent the final product" claims make me think that actually the real pak fa is close to that.

Russians have a tendency to claim the contrary to the reality (i think this was called maskaya, or something like that, a deceiving technique).

 

[flateric]

I promise I will ask Sukhoi guys at the MAKS airshow)))

 

[Ogami musashi]

Could you ask the date and hour of our test flight with the pak fa? i can't remember...

Ah and also, please specify them that i want my su-35 painted in dark blue! not grey! the last one they missed the color then i don't fly the plane anymore...

 

[vajt]

I promise I will ask Sukhoi guys at the MAKS airshow)))

Please do! ;D

-----JT-----

 

[flateric]

Air Force Commander-in-Chief Alexander Zelin today stated that PAK-FA CAD drawings and documemtation are transfered to KNAAPO and prototype assembly will 'begin shortly'. Hmm...seems that I've heard this news already several months ago.

 

[TheRightHand]

I believe PAK-FA has already been built and Russia is doing nothing but sending "Dis-information" to keep U.S./Europe thinking Russia is weak.

 

[mrdetonator]

Well, his first one which makes sense to me. Although he should reconsider those engine intakes and the space between them. Anyway, the PAK-FA will be a canard-delta, i`m certainly sure. The most versatile aerodynamics layout ever seen. The F-22 like design is a dead-end, I doubt Sukhoi ever considered that layout to be used for PAK-Fa.

 

[Ogami musashi]

Lol flateric, not only did you see it months ago, but just two of three weeks ago, then 2 weeks before, then 2 weeks before it and on and on..

They could state what they wanna say, they just pick a random sentence and throw it into press.
They could say that pak-fa is in fact a motorbike if they wanted to, no problem!

I've read so many naive statements by officials, the best being in 99 when the head of mikoyan said the mig 1.44 was ready to go production in 4 months!

 

[Sundog]

Anyway, the PAK-FA will be a canard-delta, i`m certainly sure. The most versatile aerodynamics layout ever seen. The F-22 like design is a dead-end, I doubt Sukhoi ever considered that layout to be used for PAK-Fa.

You obviously know very little about aircraft design. Get back to me when you have your degree and know what you're talking about.

 

[sferrin]

Anyway, the PAK-FA will be a canard-delta, i`m certainly sure. The most versatile aerodynamics layout ever seen. The F-22 like design is a dead-end, I doubt Sukhoi ever considered that layout to be used for PAK-Fa.

You obviously know very little about aircraft design. Get back to me when you have your degree and know what you're talking about.

I thought that was good for a laugh too. World's premier fighter is a "dead end design".

 

[flateric]

I must confess that canard scheme for PAK-FA is one of the recent rumors appeared here from some people that can be connected to the real project. This make me stuck.

 

[Matej]

My second aviation drawing ever is back again

http://www.kommersant.com/p-11196/G5_fighter/

 

[vajt]

My second aviation drawing ever is back again

http://www.kommersant.com/p-11196/G5_fighter/

Funny, Paralay also has that drawing in his MiG 1.27 section.

-----JT-----

 

[flateric]

OK, guys, behold - Unified Aircraft Building Corporation (OAK) chief Fyodorov says that 'Russian multifunctional fighter of the fifth generation may be airborne in 2009. We are planning to fly it, but we can't say it for sure that it will fly in two years - we can (say it) later, after we will evaluate production processes, especially dedicated to new composites'.

Doh!

Should we buy some Raptors may be till we have oil money?

http://www.newsinfo.ru/news/2007/08/news1362743.php

 

[flateric]

Last issue (August-Sepember) of Andrey Fomin's Vzlyot magazine reprinted this picture from Air Fleet magazine. While I got first edition, dindn't find the second one on the show. Interesting is were panel lines product of Air Fleet artist's fantazy, or we see the origin of NPO Saturn rendering.

 

[Ogami musashi]

Lol seems flateric source in sukhoi was correct:

http://www.royfc.com/cgi-bin/today/acft_news.cgi

Fundamental Aerodynamic and Reliability Problems of Fifth Generation Combat Fighter Solved – Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute Director

Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) specialists have moved ahead appreciably in work on the evaluation of the fifth generation combat fighter project which is being created by the Sukhoy company, the TsAGI director, Vladimir Kargopol’tsev, announced at the MAKS-2007 aerospace salon.

“We are operating very actively in this area. The future tactical aviation aircraft complex is rather highly advanced. The airplane, from our point of view, that is from the point of view of aerodynamics and reliability, is emerging, it is taking shape. There are a number of problems which have a working nature on which we have to be involved,” V. Kargopol’tsev said.

According to him, “the fifth generation combat airplane’s criteria are absolutely distinct.” “There are on the order of four – five of them,” the TsAGI director said.

He considered problems of provision of a capability for takeoff and landing of the airplane from shortened runways among the number of top-priority criteria.

At least Tsagi is working on it!

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Piotr Butowski has a nice article on PAK-FA / I-21 in Combat Aircraft this month. Nothing substantial to add to what we know already, unfortunately. After his very nice drawings of MiG MFI long before it was revealed, I was hoping for something better

 

[flateric]

Next week India and Russia will sign intergovernmental agreement on the development of multifunctional fifth generation fighter aircraft
13.10.2007 11:16
http://www.narodinfo.ru/news/33902.html

Russian-Indian intergovernmental agreement on the joint project of establishing the planned set of the fifth-generation aircraft will be signed next week, reported on Friday the Indian Express News Service Agency, referring to the representative of the Ministry of Defense of India.

"During Indian Defense Minister Antony visit to Moscow next week, will be signed an agreement on joint development of fifth generation fighter aircraft," said Agency in the report .

It notes that the talks were about this for several years, and earlier this year, India announced its selection of the PAK FA project, developed by Sukhoi. Both sides have worked hard recently on the preparation of a formal agreement.

The representative of the Ministry of Defense of India said that during the visit, Antony will be signed intergovernmental agreement, but issues of price and intellectual property rights will be permanently resolved at a later date. "

Indian Defense Minister arrives in Moscow to attend a meeting of Indian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation. Multi-billion deal will be one of the largest joint program of cooperation between the two countries in the military area.

India is seeking for a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, which will have equal opportunities and even surpass the F-22 fighter aircraft and F-35 (JSF), which is being developed jointly by the United States and Britain.

As Indian Air Force commander Major noted, the Indian Air Force have completed their technical requirements for a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. In his view, it will take 5 years for developement, and fighter will rise into the sky through the 8-10 years.

Antony also hold talks on the acquisition of a new batch of 350 tanks T-90S for the Land Forces of India. India are already armed with 310 such tanks.

Experts point out that the Americans, for its part, previously offered India participated in the JSF project, but India has made its choice in favor of Russia.

In the assessment of Russian experts, the signing of the agreement would put the point in the debate about export prospects for the new fifth-generation combat aircraft, created by Sukhoi, which in 2002 won the development tender from Russia Defense Ministry .

Interfax IA

8-10 years, wuahhaha

 

[LowObservable]

Dry? Is that a translation artifact?

 

[flateric]

Exactly, it's machined PROMT transliteration with little effort to check results. Lasy me.

 

[Sundog]

8-10 years, wuahhaha

Are they talking about the LCA or PAK-FA? ;D

I kid, I kid!!! But the LCA might be operational by then.

 

[Deino]

Even if not specificly connected with ´the PAK-FA ... what's that !! ???

Sokol to Produce New MiG

OAO Nizhniy Novgorod Sokol Aircraft Building Plane (NAZ) will begin series production of a new MiG airplane model in 2010, the general director of the plant, Mikhail Shibaev, reported yesterday. The Sokol department manager for public communications, Igor’ Chenichenko, explained that the Mikoyan design bureau is involved with the Sokol design bureau in development of the new model. The Russian Federation defense ministry and Rosoboronehksport will be customers for the new MiG model. Mikhail Shibaev noted that right now the plant’s retooling, equipment upgrade and build up of capabilities are underway. ((Financial stuff snipped.)

Source: 02.11.07, Kommersant-Nizhniy Novgorod

Source: http://www.royfc.com/cgi-bin/today/acft_news.cgi#today

 

[Ogami musashi]

it doesn't say if it's a military or civil plane ihmo it's a civil.

 

[Tuomasn]

it doesn't say if it's a military or civil plane ihmo it's a civil.

But it says "The Russian Federation defense ministry and Rosoboronehksport [state arms export company] will be customers"...

Perhaps its the new MiG-35?

 

[flateric]

Seems so.

 

[medal64]

I hope It's not.I think it can be an ucav or mig's fifth generation fighter for indian MRCA competition.And the goverment may want this plane for a cheaper 5th generation fighter to export and buying for Russian Airforce.But their best aircraft together with india will be PAK-FA.I'm waiting for news about this aircraft.

 

[flateric]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2349.msg19769.html#msg19769

According to pre-MAKS 2007 interview of MIG Deputy Director-General Sergey Tzivilev. MIG currently don't develop any projects of 5 generation foghter. DoD did not impress any interest. No funds, no customers. Future works described as cooperative works with Sukhoi in OAK. Welcome to the real world...

 

[medal64]

But this aircraft is at design stage mig 35 is a production aircraft and also mig ucav is in flight tests.For this reason or I want it to be like this ıt can be a new fighter.

 

[flateric]

Article title says it clear: "THERE WILL BE NO MIGs OF 5TH GENERATION"
World Airshows MAKS 2007 Daily #2 Aug 22 2007 p.4
Where do you think MIG, now becoming a part of OAK, will find several spare billions to fund development of all-new fighter? And in a three years? Be serious...
MiG UCAV is no more than plastic mock-up so far, to my sorrow.

 

[medal64]

Ok I think you are sure that it's mig 35.And my aim was to learn about it.

 

[medal64]

The Sokol department manager for public communications, Igor’ Chenichenko, explained that the Mikoyan design bureau is involved with the Sokol design bureau in development of the new model.
This sentence is very confused my mind at real.

 

[flateric]

Imagine that Boeing Everett factory chief engineer says that they develop a new supersonic civil aircraft in cooperation with Boeing. That could be a good analogue.

Here all 'new' in 99,99% of cases means something pretty old fitted with the new avionics, etc.
'New' Su-34, 'New' Mi-28, etc.

 

[JCage]

Flateric,

Theres some controversy in India over the decision to join the PAK-FA. Whats the current status of the project in terms of management? Any thoughts- your earlier posts seem very " :-[" if I may say so...is that still the case or have things improved?