Military Interventions in Syria and 2024 Syrian regime change

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Archibald said:
Since 9-11-2001 a lot of supervillains have been forced into retirement. French satirical puppet show "Les Guignols" had Freddy Krueger and Darth Vader in very depressed moods. Basically saying "there is no way we can ever scare the living shit out of spectators after THIS. We are doomed."
What's worse, their professional retraining did not went well, despite their best efforts: for some obscure reasons.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P4p_jxk34g
 
yahya said:
Must we not forget that Bashshar al Asad was groomed to become the president after his father's demise also by the US and British intel. So, he was also their 'dictator.' As an ophthalmologist, who at the time worked in a London hospital, he was not interested in politics. Everybody thought in that time that his brother would became the candidate for presidency. History showed that the people were wrong in their assertions.

There were many other 'dictators' who were first groomed by the West, and when became redundant, they were trashed like a used toy.
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That's quite an extrapolation from him having worked as a doctor in London. I guess he wishes he'd stayed in that roll now though.
 
yahya said:
Must we not forget that Bashshar al Asad was groomed to become the president after his father's demise also by the US and British intel. So, he was also their 'dictator.' As an ophthalmologist, who at the time worked in a London hospital, he was not interested in politics. Everybody thought in that time that his brother would became the candidate for presidency. History showed that the people were wrong in their assertions.

There were many other 'dictators' who were first groomed by the West, and when became redundant, they were trashed like a used toy.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone put a gun to his head to leave his international professional career in healthcare and go on to become a dictator.
 
Forest Green said:
That's quite an extrapolation from him having worked as a doctor in London. I guess he wishes he'd stayed in that roll now though.
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Perhaps if he did so, he wouldn't have met his better half. ;)
 
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martinbayer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone put a gun to his head to leave his international professional career in healthcare and go on to become a dictator.
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No one had to put a gun to his head. Doesn't the collective West like the liberal leaders who were educated abroad? He spoke English, and lived in the West. Then, there was a mutual acceptance to his candidacy from many sides. Saddam in the neighborhood was already demonized after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and the Gulf War. Bashshar brought the new soul and spirit. Note that it was the western mainstream media that called him the names. Nevertheless, he can be seen basically as having served Israel's security as Syria did not participate in direct combat vs. Israel after 2000. The nuke facility that Israel was afraid of was bombed in 2007, and after 2011 Syria was engulfed in the state of permanent chaos, with its main sources of revenue under Turkish and US control. The IAF air raids took place on a regular basis destroying all what was left of the SAA. Note that there were some sorts of murky agreements that did not allow Syrian AD to attack foreign military aircraft.

Now, with the lawlessness everywhere, which was unimaginable under the Asads, people will sooner or later appreciate what has been lost.

A Syrian street yesterday (photo credit: sm).

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I think a distinction must be drawn between what is the result of the standard policies practices of the standing government, and a FUBAR situation in violation of all the rules because of bad/no oversight.

All of the Middle Eastern dictatorships were heavy-handed in dealing with political opposition/protest. It was the "price" of keeping stability in those countries.

I suppose Assad deserves no sympathy, but I can only worry that the new party in charge will cause problems in the future. It seems the new man in charge (or who seems to be at least) has made some effort to try to portray himself as a "kinder" sort of Islamist, but I think the history of the modern Middle East give plenty of reason to be a bit doubtful of this claim. Civil wars such as these have a tendency to kill off all of the more moderate factions.

I'm just amazed this seemingly came out of nowhere and the whole Syrian Army just seemed to collapse. Outside actors with interests in Syria could supply weapons and equipment, but they don't have the ability to summon more men to actually do the fighting. After so many dead and so many who fled the country, I had figured the rebel groups were largely a spent force. Only holding onto territory because the Syrian Army was also largely exhausted, and Russia cannot at this time afford to provide them with more support. But these guys suddenly topple Assad's regime in two weeks? Where were they the last 10 years of fighting?
 
martinbayer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone put a gun to his head to leave his international professional career in healthcare and go on to become a dictator.
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First his brother Bassel - who was destined to be the father´s successor - unwillingly did just that, by committing involuntary suicide in a Mercedes.
After that, his father Hafiz willingly did, probably by threatening to pick out Bashar´s eyes with a toothbrush.

The actual 'weight' of 'the gun' is open for discussion.
 
Those of us who have lived in dictatorships know that the worst thing is not the government, nor its ideology, nor its obsession with seeing enemies everywhere. The worst are the opportunistic rats who take advantage of defenseless citizens under the pretext of defending the system from their internal enemies. They openly position themselves in favor of the regime, overact, intrigue, denounce and end up rising socially.

They are also the first to arrive after the troops of a victorious army selling permits for what they have previously banned and the first to change their uniform when the wind direction changes and abandon the sinking ship.

In Portugal at the time of the Carnation Revolution they were called Camaleoes Viracasacas, in my country we call them in a different, more graphic way.

In free societies the lowest you can find outside prisons are hospital lawyers and tax collectors, but there are worse things.
 

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Arjen said:
@yahya No, never. We were discussing Syria. Are you condoning the atrocities in Sednaya prison?
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Silly question. I'm not. Anyway, take a look at the wiki's list of former Sednaya's inmates at the end of the wiki article, especially the first ones. Would you invite them to your home? I wonder what the authorities in your country does to those participating in an armed rebellion against the state, who were captured with arms in their hands?

Just wanted to focus your attention on traditional western double standards, especially with regards to the nations the West has no respect to. I am still not sure if the message has arrived.

The bottom line. Just a sad example related to Syria's neighbor's recent history:


www.aljazeera.com

Let’s remember Madeleine Albright for who she really was

The late US diplomat, who thought the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children were ‘worth it’, was no ‘force for human rights’.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

Were is the respect for democracy and human rights that the West so vehemently promoted?
 
Forest Green said:
If we were those involved wouldn't have been prosecuted.
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Being surprised, for clarity I translated what you wrote into other languages that I understand, and in all cases the message sounded as if was originating from a gathering at Berchtesgaden or at Wannsee during WW II.
 
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