Little-Known French Projects and Prototypes

[toura]

bonjour Avions anciens
From an old "Les ailes" 1946

 

[avion ancien]

Thank you, hesham and toura. The clips from Les Ailes are most interesting. From the fact that they came from a 1946 issue and the way the text is phrased, it seems that the V.10 must have survived the war. I wonder what became of it subsequently?

 

[toura]

From an old "Aviation Française"

 

[toura]

always old paper..."aviation magazine"

 

[avion ancien]

More on the Duverne-Saran bimoteur from, I think, an issue of l'Aéro dating from the 1930s.

 

[avion ancien]

More on the Volland V.10 from l'Aéro of 29 May 1936.

 

[avion ancien]

Ah, I've now found the article, which appeared in l'Avion (date unknown), from which the earlier photographs of the Peitz Avionette came.

 

[avion ancien]

Another obscure French aeroplane from the 1930s, this time the Peyret-Nessler parasol wing monoplane.

 

[hesham]

Great work my dears Avion and Toura.

 

[c460]

......and finally - for the present - the Botali-Mandelli biplane. I have a little information about this diminutive single seater, including the name of the gentlemen standing proudly before it. I think that he is either the eponymous M. Botali or M. Mandelli, its designer and pilot.

There was a Botali 350hp long-distance aircraft with diesel engine, answering the same program as the Bernard 86 and Wibault 368. The aircraft was never completed. (Source: Records français de distance by Jean Liron.)
I have never seen a picture or drawing of this aircraft, additional info is welcome.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Guillemin JG.40,JG.41 and JG.42 drawings.

 

[Stargazer]

From Avions No. 127, a little-known prototype identified as the "Fellot Lacour" [F-PJCV], christened "L'ancêtre" (the ancestor), though the spelling is apparently unsure.

 

[Stargazer]

Also from Avions No. 127, the n°01 (and probably sole example) René Lemaire I [F-PPPN].

 

[avion ancien]

Apparently the Lemaire 01 (F-PPPN) is held in the reserve collection of Espace Air Passion at Angers-Marcé (see http://www.musee-aviation-angers.fr/collections/avions-et-voilures-tournantes/). I'll try to remember to enquire about it when next I'm there. In the meantime, here are some clearer pictures of it.

 

[Stargazer]

Splendid pics! Thanks a bunch for sharing!

 

[Stargazer]

is the Guillemin JG.40,JG.41 and JG.42 drawings.

A beautiful photo of the Guillemin JG.40:

 

[cluttonfred]

always old paper..."aviation magazine"

It's been a while since this post, I admit, but it's neat that this old design is exactly within the current French microlight limit of 300kg gross weight.

 

[cluttonfred]

Apparently the Lemaire 01 (F-PPPN) is held in the reserve collection of Espace Air Passion at Angers-Marcé (see http://www.musee-aviation-angers.fr/collections/avions-et-voilures-tournantes/). I'll try to remember to enquire about it when next I'm there. In the meantime, here are some clearer pictures of it.

Absolutely fantastic pics and that link is worth following. I have never seen a museum with such an interesting collection of unusual and homebuilt light planes. You could make a book of oddball configurations and prototypes just from that one collection. I've have to make a point to get over there next summer.

 

[c460]

Drawing of the Richard-Penhoët 2, from the Spanish magazine Aérea, April 1924.

 

[hesham]

Still in this Trait d'Union #217 is the wonderful tandem-wing Lachassagne family and also:
"Jacques Lagarde designed in 1936 with Richard a project of transoceanic airplane with 'controlled lift'. The wing featured (uneasy to translate!) 'des volets de courbure commandés par des girouettes Constantin' controlling Cz in flight. Span 62m Length 40m Total weight 105t with 15t load Power 15,600hp total Max speed 440km/h Range 8000km. The same Lagarde designed the Millet-Lagarde ML.10 twin-boomer after 1945."

And here is from Aerophile magazine.

 

[toura]

Hi C 460
From "aviation magazine

 

[c460]

Hi C 460
From "aviation magazine

Thanks Toura!
Do you have all those Avimags?
Adrien

 

[cluttonfred]

For readers that don't speak French, the subtitle says it all.

Courte histoire d'un "veau-marin"

"Veau" literally means calf (from which we get the English word veal) but when applied to a vehicle it means something gutless and without power, so "veau-marin" means "sea calf" and may be a pun on "sous-marin" or submarine. It is also reminiscent of "vache de mer" or "sea cow" (manatee) also probably not the name you'd choose for a new flying boat.

 

[Stargazer]

"Veau" literally means calf (from which we get the English word veal) but when applied to a vehicle it means something gutless and without power, so "veau-marin" means "sea calf" and may be a pun on "sous-marin" or submarine. It is also reminiscent of "vache de mer" or "sea cow" (manatee) also probably not the name you'd choose for a new flying boat.

Absolutely, Matthew! And allow me to translate the header, which gives a little more background to this being a "sea calf"...


"In Europe during the 1920s, and especially in France, the commercial future of aviation seemed to be with flying boats. Ideas sprouted everywhere, and financiers followed it all very closely. The pathetic Saint-Raphaël competition of 1925 had hardly tempered even the wildest enthusiasm. Despite some big problems with motorisation, one kept building ever bigger and heavier machines, most often to the detriment of the most elementary aerodynamic features. The short history of the extremely rare RP.2 is a good example of this."

 

[Stargazer]

Here is the 100-kilo tailless aircraft proposal by G.-C. Richard. I don't think this was actually built.

 

[Stargazer]

The Nicolas-Claude NC-111:

 

[hesham]

The Nicolas-Claude NC-111:

Great find Stargazer,


and for Niclos-Claude NC-2,please see;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19952.0.html?PHPSESSID=740ijt3opeghtj4m643i4vsp97

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Salmson-Le Deville D4-S2 high-wing twin boom push-pull twin
engined light aircraft drawing from Ailes magazine;


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65546767/f11.image

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Marcel Herault was a little known French designer,he created one aircraft,it was
single seat parasol wing very light pusher monoplane,remained a project only.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65558960/f13.image

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Roussel-10,a side-by-side two seat high-wing tourist light monoplane.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555914g/f16.image

 

[hesham]

Hi,


from Les Ailes journal,the designer Pierre Bazoin created two aircraft projects,the
first was tourist aircraft with inverse "M" shape,and the second was a six-engined
huge transatlantic flying boat in a weird configuration.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560495x/f7.image

 

[toura]

Hi Hesham
I don't know the ROUSSEL 10. THANKS
and always from some old "aviation magazine"
the Roussel 20 and 40

 

[avion ancien]

One could imagine that if times were kinder, the Roussel 40 might have been developed into a fine little turbo jet powered executive aeroplane. Shades of the SIPA Minijet, perhaps?

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Toura,


and here is the Jarrion two seat light aircraft,intended to light aircraft contest
of 1936,remained a project only.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560504f/f9.image

 

[hesham]

Hi,


also the Filleul box-wing pusher light aircraft project;


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65605157/f9.image

 

[toura]

Hi Hasan
We continue with little know plane....
from "aviation magazine"

 

[hesham]

Excellent my dear Toura.

 

[toura]

THANKS AND.....one other

 

[Grey Havoc]

Hi,


from Les Ailes journal,the designer Pierre Bazoin created two aircraft projects,the
first was tourist aircraft with inverse "M" shape,and the second was a six-engined
huge transatlantic flying boat in a weird configuration.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6560495x/f7.image

With regards as to the transatlantic flying boat, was it intended as a WIG (Wing In Ground effect) design, do you think?

 

[toura]

Hi Grey havoc

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