Little-Known French Projects and Prototypes

[hesham]

Hi,

Mr. Delaunay which we spoke about him before,he designed avionette or
ultra-light airplane after WWI,if someone has a more Info,that will be great.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/coanda-delaunay-belleville-coanda-design-aircraft.18780/

 

[Apophenia]

Mr. Delaunay which we spoke about him before,he designed avionette or ultra-light airplane after WWI ...

You have conflated different people.

Your 'Delaunay' attachment may refer to pilot Henry Delaunay.

The people associated with SIA (and thus Coanda) were Pierre and Robert Delaunay-Belleville who ran SA des Etablissements Delaunay-Belleville. That firm - primarily a well-known luxury auto-maker (but originally boiler-makers) - was named named for their father, Louis Delaunay-Belleville (who was dead by 1912).

 

[hesham]

From L'Air Revue 1942,

here is a two light airplane drawings,designed by Mr. Jean Boucarnot and Mr. Demaret.

A more Info about Demaret airplane,from TU 187.

 

[hesham]

From TU 187,

About G. Desgrandschamps;

177. DESGRANDSCHAMEPS:
In 1923, G. Desgrandschamps produced a small monoplane tourism device equipped with a
10 hp ABC engine. The aircraft will be entered in the Moto-Aviette (motor-glider) Grand Prix
organized by the Little Parisian, but he won't be shown there.

In 1925, he proposed a school glider project to the competition organized by the AFA, a project
which will be classified third, but knew no achievement.Finally. in 1934, he participated in the
design of the Aerogyre by Jean de Chappedelaine, already mentioned in this section.

 

[Apophenia]

This "Little Parisian" is the Petit Parisian newspaper we've encountered before. And the AFA was l'Association Française Aérienne.

The connection with Jean de Chappedelaine's Aérogyre low-speed testbed (based on a Caudron Luciole) make me wonder if this M Desgrandschamps was actually the aerodynamicist R.-G. Desgrandschamps?

 

[hesham]

From TU 187,

here is all activities of Mr. Albert Dessenis;

Albert Dessenis, secretary general of the Aero-Club of Valenciennes in the North, was a craftsman
blacksmith in this city (he received the gold medal for the best workers in France).

Volunteer during the First World War, he started in 1916 as a student pilot
at Farman School. Seriously injured in front of Verdun, he returned from the war with the Medal
Military.

In the thirties, seduced by the movement launched by Mignet in favor of aviation
popular, he decided to build a small monoplane derived from HM-8 himself.

Called AD-1 "L’Espérance" (F-PARK), the machine flew in October 1935 with a Salmson
9Ad of 40 hp. It quickly proved to be a success, many hours of flight,
many trips and a successful participation in the Tour de France of prototypes (3500 km) on
proving abundantly. The aircraft reached a maximum speed of 120 km / h.

So much so that two friends of the builder, including Mr. Dellegrange, decided to
build a second. This one flew in the hands of Dessenis then those of his
sponsors. Unfortunately, on November 18, 1937, the aircraft had an accident and
Dellegrange was killed. Following this accident, the Ministry of Air removed the pass from
Dessenis and the plane stopped flying. Obviously, a lively controversy ensued in the
hurry.

This unfortunate episode did not discourage our lover who realized in 1939, in
collaboration with Mr. Guelton (carpenter in Valenciennes) another device designated "the
Seagull ” or la Mouette . The plane first flew on March 5, 1939 after 11 months of work.
Monoplane, monoplace parasol equipped with a 40 hp Salmson engine, it has a 4-C profile
thinned, a wingspan of 8.62 m and a total length of 5.84 m.

 

[avion ancien]

The pre-war French CNRA register on the Golden Years website has it as F-PAAK and described as Dessinis A.1 (q.v. http://www.shu-aero.com/AeroPhotos_Shu_Aero/Aircraft_C/Dessenis/Dessenis_AS_1_Esperance_01_large.jpg).

 

[Apophenia]

Good stuff avion ancien! The photo is identified as the Dessenis AS-1 with 'L’espérance clearly marked on its fuselage. On the rudder can be read 'Club-Aviation Valenciennes' (rather than the Aéro-club de Valenciennes one would expect). But no registration is visible.

In hesham's clipping, the type is identified as the Dessenis AD-1 'L’espérance (F-PARK), flying in October 1935. As for Golden Years, it is easy to imagine a typo (or mis-reading of visible registration marks) turning an 'R' into an 'A' or vice versa. By why the difference in designation - or designations, if two airframes are involved?

I'm not sure if this helps judge the accuracy of the TU 187 article but they got the year of M. Dellegrange's accident wrong - it was 18 Nov 1936 (not 1937).

L'eclaireur du finistere published a short notice of that accident:

Samedi 21 Novembre 1936

Une avionnette récemment construite, pilotée par M. Achille Dellegrange, âgé de 27 ans, agent d'assurances à Valenciennes, a capoté à l'atterrissage. Le pilote, qui a une double fracture du crâne, est dans un état désespéré.

Or, roughly ...

Saturday 21 November 1936

A recently built mini-plane piloted by 27-year-old Achille Dellegrange, an insurance agent in Valenciennes, overturned on landing. The pilot, who has a double skull fracture, is in a hopeless state.

A truncated version of that already short report appeared in L'aviation. Alas, neither version mentions this avionnette's registration, designation, the co-builder with Achille Dellegrange, or, indeed, Albert Dessenis.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears Avion and Apophenia,

and does anyone hear about Gustave Augustin Douchy two-seat airplane ?.

The Dessenis AS-1 picture,we can put it here.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Mr. Maurice Drouhin was a well known pilot,but he designed also
airplane,who heard about it ?.

 

[VictorXL188]

The Joubert J 3, which bears more than a passing resemblance to the Mignet HM.8 but, equally, differs in significant respects. Maybe its design was influenced by the HM.8. Maybe it was constructed using HM.8 components. Maybe it was converted from an HM.8. So far I've found next to no information about it. Does anyone have any?

Hi may I point you to the aviafrance website, as mentioned in a previous posting, https://www.aviafrance.com/joubert-j-3-aviation-france-10226.htm

 

[hesham]

In TU magazine,

there was unknown airplane from 1920,designed by Dubois-Piquet,any idea ?.

 

[hesham]

In TU magazine,

they spoke about Mr. Ducceschi who designed an airplane in 1934,but when I search on it in Ailes,
I can't understand what was it ?.

 

[Grey Havoc]

SCFA Maillet 21:

SFCA Maillet 21: Quel bizarre effort.

This strange aeroplane was the product of the little known Société Francaise de Constructions Aéronautiques (SFCA). That French company had inherited a design called the Maillet-Nening MN-A from it…

elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com

 

[VictorXL188]

In one of my many trawls around the net, I came across a patent for a flying boat from a gentleman named Bazoin, and thought this should be a suitable place for it. I l know that Hesham has already posted the patent, but thought members may like to see a model of the type. Also see here a picture of the tourer as mentioned in Hesham's post of the patent

 

[hesham]

From TU magazine,does anyone hear about Mr. Dumay and his airplane of 1939 ?.

 

[Apophenia]

In TU magazine, they spoke about Mr. Ducceschi who designed an airplane in 1934, but when I search on it in Ailes, I can't understand what was it ?.

Nothing to do with aircraft. M. Ducceschi was proposing the use of large-diameter fans to drive 'asphyxiating gases' (smog, pollution, natural gas fumes?) away from Algiers. These large-bladed fans would be powered by aero-engines of 400-to-500 hp. That seems to be the only aviation connection. (The article ends voicing a concern that Ducceschi's concept may serve to displace the noxious gases without actually dissipating these pollutants.)

Obviously, any avion developed by Ducceschi in 1934 was utterly unrelated to his Algiers proposal (assuming this is the same Ducceschi). Alternatively, Trait d'Union was equally misled by Ducceschi's mention of aero-engines for his pollution project.

 

[hesham]

From TU 198,

the E.P.M.A. (Ecole de Perfectionnement des Mécaniciens d’Aviation) designed a Glider and light
Airplane;

At the end of 1938 this school had undertaken the realization of three Peyret aircraft- Nessler,
but also a glider and a light aircraft two-seater fitted with a Régnier engine 60-70 hp.These
airplanes were to be made of duralumin.

The editor ignores all of thesemachines and their future.

 

[cluttonfred]

"...three Peyret-Nessler aircraft, as well as a training glider and a two-seat light plane equipped with a Regnier 60-70 hp motor."

"The editor has no other information about these aircraft or what happened to them."

The Peyret-Nessler is likely the Libellule light plane, a low-powered parasol single-seater that was much talked about in France in the late 1920s-early 1930s and was the subject of numerous magazine articles including a "how to" series in the magazine Les Ailes.

 

[avion ancien]

The editor ignores all of thesemachines and their future.

I think that the editor has no knowledge of, rather than ignores, all these machines and their fate!

 

[hesham]

From TU 224,

Mr. Feuillerat designed a ultra-light airplane;

M.Coucilles, delegate of the RAA at Boulogne-sur-Gesse (31}), mentions in an issue of "Envol" in the middle
construction in its thirties region, of a ultra-light airplane by Mr. Feuillerat. No further details.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a series of light airplanes,J1,J2,J3,J4 & J5,designed by Mr. Eugene Jamme.

Was he a French ?.

 

[Aubi]

Jamme brothers were Algerian French.

 

[avion ancien]

Hi,

here is a series of light airplanes,J1,J2,J3,J4 & J5,designed by Mr. Eugene Jamme.

Was he a French ?.

These pages (q.v. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwonhdLbifyYRGJZUFlYdDhVUjQ/view) are part of Pierre Jarrige's work on the history of aviation in Algeria. I would thoroughly commend his work, in print and online. What he doesn't know of this subject probably isn't worth knowing!

 

[Apophenia]

These pages (q.v. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwonhdLbifyYRGJZUFlYdDhVUjQ/view) are part of Pierre Jarrige's work on the history of aviation in Algeria. I would thoroughly commend his work, in print and online. What he doesn't know of this subject probably isn't worth knowing!

Excellent stuff, thanks avion ancien! Any idea who Paul Jamme and Jean Jamme were?

As Aubi said, the Jammes were 'pieds-noirs', or Frenchmen born in colonial Algeria (in January 1962, the 73-year-old Eugène would be killed by members of the Front de Libération Nationale - I'm don't know what Marcel's fate was). The brothers were members of the Aéro-club de Mascara. Eugène Jamme was a blacksmith. Reportedly, he was inspired by his reading of Henri Mignet's Le Sport de l’Air to build an HM 8. Eugène’s brother Marcel was a mechanic. It was Marcel who installed the motorcycle engine [1] with its chain-driven reduction gear.

So brothers, Eugène Jamme and Marcel Jamme are the builders. Their Avia 32E glider and Mignet HM 8 don't receive 'J' designations (presumably because were are no major modifications). Once those modifications begin ...

Jamme J1 - Modified HM 8, 1 x 500 cc motorcycle engine *
- J1: Taxied by pilot Albert Monville but refused to fly
-- * Reported as UK ~5 hp Chase or French 500 cc Terrot

Jamme J2 - Jamme J1 airframe re-engined with aero-engine
- J2: 1 x 35 hp Anzani (type unknown) air-cooled engine
- J2: Flown by Daniel Robert Bancharelle but crashed*
-- * Due to ruptured fuel line, came down in olive grove

Jamme J3 - Rebuilt J2 airframe fitted with an auto engine
- J3: 1 x (??) hp Mercedes-Benz (?? type ??) auto engine

Jamme J4 - Jamme J3 airframe re-engined with aero-engine
- J4 (I) : 1 x 35 hp Anzani engine (retreived from J2)
- J4 (II): Rebuilt as a 2-seater J4 'Jeanne d'Arc'

Jamme J5 - 1933 'Jeanne d'Arc', re-engined J4 (II)
- J5: 1 x 75 hp Pobjoy R 7-cylinder radial engine, F-PAAV[/B]

 

[hesham]

From TU 198,and Aviation Francaise 1947,

here is most activities of E.S.T.Aé. (Ecole Spéciale des Travaux Aéronautiques),one of them
was a twin-boom glider.

 

[hesham]

From TU magazine,

I spoke before about Georges Rousseau in Postwar section,and here is early activities;

Georges Rousseau, from Nantes. built from 1928. on his leisure,a device of formula Mignet HM8.
The device was powered by a 12 hp motorcycle engine which drove at 800 rpm, via a chain, a large
two-bladed propeller installed on a frame placed above the engine. Not knowing how to fly, he
entrusted the aircraft to an experienced pilot for the first tests which took place in February
1931. The device presented itself as very handy on the ground and well centered. He rolled
soon at 40 km/h on muddy ground, then lightened and slipped, brushing against the bumps
from 15 to 20 meters of land. he almost flew and was stable. With help with a whiff of wind, it
rose to four meters. Clearly, the power of engine was insufficient and our amateur decided to
replace his motorcycle engine.But in the meantime, he continued to use his little machine as a
wheeler, for himself and his friends tempted by this adventure of popular aviation. The writer
don't know if the engine was finally changed and if this little machine did something else
that leaps.

This mini-plane was 10.60 m wide and 5 m long. The wing, at square tips, slightly dihedral, of
1.16 m deep, had a surface of 12 m2. The fins were recessed. Total flight weight of 220 kg.
To report at 12 hp of the engine.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/french-light-civil-aircraft-projects-and-prototypes.16010/page-2#post-380666

 

[hesham]

From TU 236,

here is a Monoplane designed by Fourrier-Bourdinaud-Beau,for Fournier,maby the name is wrong;

We had signed the device built in Haute-Marne by MM. Fournier, Bourdinaud and Beau. In the
book by Huben Déchanet "Lux Centuries in the sky of the country of Langres ", we speaks of
this device as having been built by Lucien Fourrier. After verification, the editor of this section
realized that he had misprinted the name of Fourier and had written, by mistake, Fournier.

Therefore. this device, the first amateur device built in the country of Langres, was born in Hortes,
from the hands of Lucien Fourrier, working in the village, assisted by two "airplane specialists cn" (!).
The local newspaper, "La Haute-Marnc-Nouvelle ”, echoed it in actobre 1927 on the occasion of the
first taxiing tests which took place in a field, the Jong on the road from Chalindrey to Hortes, on
Sunday October 2, around 10 a.m. The device is said looked like the Nieupor monoplane. He is
all in plywood and fitted with a 39 hp Anzani engine. After a few engine tests, the pilot rolled
the machine, but without leaving the ground. the land apparently not suitable for takeoff in
conditions of satisfactory security.

numerous modifications and takeoff attempts were postponed later. It was not until August 1928 that
he first flights took place and they gave “Enjoy all satisfaction The future above this device is always
unknown.

 

[Apophenia]

That makes sense, Lucien Fourrier was a carpenter in Hortes. No clue about MM Bourdinaud and Beau

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a biplane designed by Fourquard,maybe remained a Project only ?.

 

[hesham]

From TU 207,

Mr. Leon Gateu designed a tourist Biplane in 1924,powered by one 25 hp Salmson engine,and also
created a two-seat Monoplane in 1930,powered by one 45 hp engine,the later maybe remained a
Project only ?.

 

[hesham]

From TU 208,

here is a strange light airplane,designed by Mr. Marcel Gianoli;

Former student of the Central School, Marcel Gianoli worked at Bernard before being hired by Couzinet in
1927. He will become the head of the Bureau Studies.

In the early 1930s he studied for his own account a plane from 2050 kg called M-G 4. The characteristic
essential of this device is its wing: an extension of 9 for a span of 19 m and a surface of 40 m2, it is coated
with working, which is then a novelty.

Marcel Gianoli manages to interest the STAé which ordered in 1931 a half wing intended for the static tests.
It will be produced by Caudron, entirely in light metal. The tests will be successful, the brittle cell for a
coefficient of 7 when it had been calculated at 6.5.

No realization of the complete M-G 4 seems to have been undertaken.

 

[Apophenia]

A slightly better (if somewhat loose) translation might be:

A former student of the École centrale Paris, Marcel Gianoli worked at Bernard before being hired by Couzinet in 1927. Gianoli would become head of Couzinet's design office.

On his own in the early thirties, Gianoli studied a projected 2,050 kg aircraft designated M-G 4. The key feature of this aircraft was its wing: which had an aspect ratio of 9.0, a 19 metre wingspan, and a wing area of 40 m2. This wing was of stressed-skin construction, then a novelty.

Marcel Gianoli managed to interest the STAé in his concept. In 1931, the STAé ordered the construction of a half-wing intended for static testing. This test wing will be made by Caudron, entirely in light alloy metal. The tests are successful - the wing having a coefficient of 7 when only 6.5 had been calculated.

No work on the complete M-G 4 airframe seems to have been undertaken.

hesham's cutting clears up another bit of online confusion. A number of sources claim that Gianoli was working at Société Letord when René Couzinet moved his Arc-en-ciel work there for completion. Obviously not. Marcel Gianoli had been working with Couzinet all along. I suspect the fact that both hangars were located in Meudon is the root of the confusion.

Marcel Gianoli acted as both flight engineer and navigator on Arc-en-ciel tests. He was onboard for the fatal Arc-en-ciel crash of 08 August 1928, shattering his pelvis. By 1936, Marcel Gianoli would form ECA (Études et constructions aéronautiques) with Paul Rozycki.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/eca-26-what-was-it.32275

 

[hesham]

From TU 208,

here is an Info about Mr. Guingene and his formula Mignet;

In 1934, in Rennes, M.C. Guingené produced a small Mignet formula monoplane whose wing is
guyed above and below by piano strings. The fuselage has a small interior pipe. The engine is a
two cylinder in V driving the two-bladed propellant direct. The undercarriage, with independent
wheels, comprises for each of they have a horizontal V and an oblique elastic leg. Note that this
airplane has been verified by Bureau Veritas.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is anther helicopter Project for Mr. Chappedelaine from 1944.

 

[richard B]

Hi,

here is anther helicopter Project for Mr. Chappedelaine from 1944.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/chappedelaine-legyraptere.5947/

AEROGYRE de CHAPPEDELAINE

Un peu d'histoire: Etudié dans les années 30/34 par M. Chappelaine avec la collaboration de M. Desgrandschamps, l'Aerogyre devait résoudre le problème de l'atterrissage à très faible...

criquet11.eklablog.fr

Les Ailes : journal hebdomadaire de la locomotion aérienne / directeur, rédacteur en chef, Georges Houard | 1934-04-19 | Gallica

L'Aéronautique | 1934-12-01 | Gallica

 

[hesham]

But my dear Richard,

for Chappedelaine,it is anther drawing,and it had a head rotor ?.

 

[hesham]

From TU 215,

Mr. Hildebrandt and his design;

Single-seater torpedo also planned as a two-seater, low-wing monoplane built in 1934 by Mr. Hildebrandt. In
April of this year, this amateur aircraft totaled 5 flight hours per 15 to 30 minute outings. He had been tried
by Paul Vaux, from "Aïles de Touraine",in Villacoublay on the Morane-Saulnier aerodrome, then in Saint-Cyr.

It is powered by an old engine Anzani 6A 45 hp, with automatic intake valve. Its cruising speed is 140 km / h
for a landing speed of 70 km / h. The fuselage is in autogenously welded steel tubes,wooden wings, spruce
and plywood, covered with canvas, with two masts in streamlined steel tubes, coupled in the middle stringers.
Profile depth is 1.40 m. The shutters are made of wood Canvas. The landing gear is pantalized and its path is
1.30 m. The plane takes 64 liters of petrol and 4 liters oil. A static coefficient test 3 was carried out without
deformation.

 

[hesham]

From Les Ailes and TU 215,

Houdet-Frankel designed a two-seat light tourist airplane in 1936,powered by 40 hp Train 2 engine,it
was derivative of Pou-du-Ciel.

 

[hesham]

From Ailes and TU 236,

here is a two variants of parasol wing Monoplane,designed by trio Huc-Raynaud-Guiraud.