First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
Want to beat the Chinese into the market (?)4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
Not that many prototypes, I am surprised at that number. Obviously South Korea want to get the KF-21 into service as soon as possible.
Want to beat the Chinese into the market (?)4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
Not that many prototypes, I am surprised at that number. Obviously South Korea want to get the KF-21 into service as soon as possible.
KF-21 currently isn't fifth gen.Want to beat the Chinese into the market (?)4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
Not that many prototypes, I am surprised at that number. Obviously South Korea want to get the KF-21 into service as soon as possible.
Considering that China banned the sale of the J-20 just like what the US did with the F-22, there are many countries around the world right now that would want a fifth generation fighter like the KF-21 and it would fill that area nicely.
It has the potential to be with future revisions.KF-21 currently isn't fifth gen.Want to beat the Chinese into the market (?)4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
Not that many prototypes, I am surprised at that number. Obviously South Korea want to get the KF-21 into service as soon as possible.
Considering that China banned the sale of the J-20 just like what the US did with the F-22, there are many countries around the world right now that would want a fifth generation fighter like the KF-21 and it would fill that area nicely.
But, the block upgrade would be difficult and require another decade, during which several fifth or sixth gen fighters will come out. I'm looking forward to see how they find optimized solution if the customer decides to have the upgraded aircrafts.It has the potential to be with future revisions.KF-21 currently isn't fifth gen.Want to beat the Chinese into the market (?)4 single-seaters and 2 twin-seaters, as I recall.First flight of the KF-21 No. 002
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Nice. How many flying prototypes will there be? Just wondering.
Not that many prototypes, I am surprised at that number. Obviously South Korea want to get the KF-21 into service as soon as possible.
Considering that China banned the sale of the J-20 just like what the US did with the F-22, there are many countries around the world right now that would want a fifth generation fighter like the KF-21 and it would fill that area nicely.
I see your point, and I want to ask: what is missing to make it 5th generation ? More modern engines ? sensor data fusion / network as in F-35 ?KF-21 currently isn't fifth gen.
- IWB, yeah I know it already has space for it but currently it's not utilized as such.I see your point, and I want to ask: what is missing to make it 5th generation ? More modern engines ? sensor data fusion / network as in F-35 ?KF-21 currently isn't fifth gen.
Une autre question soulevée par cette éventuelle coopération entre Airbus Defence & Space et KAI porte sur le KJ-21 Boramae, un chasseur-bombardier de génération 4,5 en cours de développement. Sur ce point, le communiqué du ministère sud-coréen est vague : il parle d’une proposition sur des « ventes potentielles d’avions de combat »… Le Boramae en fait-il partie? Et quel(s) retour(s) le groupe européen pourrait-il en attendre?
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Another question raised by this possible cooperation between Airbus Defense & Space and KAI concerns the KJ-21 Boramae, a 4.5 generation fighter-bomber under development. On this point, the press release from the South Korean ministry is vague: it speaks of a proposal on "potential sales of combat aircraft"... Is the Boramae one of them? And what return(s) could the European group expect?
you are referring to the AJFT right?Well that is pretty weird given that Airbus Spain is currently developing their own fast jet trainer that is very similar to T-50 at least.
Not sure who might be interested in FA-50s: Austria? Portugal? Maybe Airbus just takes a cut and provides Operational Support?
But in a context where the likes of Japan appears to be shifting towards non-US partnerships re: developing their aviation industry (whatever the nature of their interest in the Tempest program ends up looking like) then South Korea may do likewise.Isn't KAI closely related to Lockmart ? no chance in hell Airbus ever carry them away from Uncle Sam influence (and Lockheed too).
Put European engines on it and it'll be more interesting.It's more a question of opportunities. US market isn't in need for a KF-21. They are already covered.
Then, Europe is a Boulevard.
what American components are there on the KF-21? off the top of my head the F414 engines and I think the canopy and ejection seats?Put European engines on it and it'll be more interesting.It's more a question of opportunities. US market isn't in need for a KF-21. They are already covered.
Then, Europe is a Boulevard.
No, it's from Martin Baker UK.what American components are there on the KF-21? off the top of my head the F414 engines and I think the canopy and ejection seats?Put European engines on it and it'll be more interesting.It's more a question of opportunities. US market isn't in need for a KF-21. They are already covered.
Then, Europe is a Boulevard.
Radar is Korean, a number of the missiles are European,
There are some rumors regarding the Korean transport aircraft that KAI has been pitching for quite a few years, also related to a mid-sized regional airliner program. Since FMTC is known to be smaller than Hercules and the A400M is quite big, so there's a place for a transport aircraft in between in terms of Airbus' portofolio. KAI has been looking for a financial and techincal partner and has been in contact with Embraer (KC-390, also gives a hint of the size of the transport aircraft the Koreans are considering) alongside Airbus for quite a while now. Overall, unfortunately not a topic for this thread.Something more related to the KF-50 and highly speculative when it comes to the Borame. But still...
Une autre question soulevée par cette éventuelle coopération entre Airbus Defence & Space et KAI porte sur le KJ-21 Boramae, un chasseur-bombardier de génération 4,5 en cours de développement. Sur ce point, le communiqué du ministère sud-coréen est vague : il parle d’une proposition sur des « ventes potentielles d’avions de combat »… Le Boramae en fait-il partie? Et quel(s) retour(s) le groupe européen pourrait-il en attendre?
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Another question raised by this possible cooperation between Airbus Defense & Space and KAI concerns the KJ-21 Boramae, a 4.5 generation fighter-bomber under development. On this point, the press release from the South Korean ministry is vague: it speaks of a proposal on "potential sales of combat aircraft"... Is the Boramae one of them? And what return(s) could the European group expect?
Airbus Defence & Space veut aider Korea Aerospace Industries à vendre ses avions de combat en Europe - Zone Militaire
Le 18 novembre, le ministère allemande de la Défense a annoncé qu'un accord venait d'être trouvé entre Dassault Aviation et Airbus au sujet de l'avion dewww.opex360.com
Airbus Offers South Korea A 'Win-Win' Strategy To Export Its FA-50 Fighting Eagles To Western Europe
Airbus has offered South Korea a "win-win strategy" to boost the sales of South Korea's FA-50 and other fighters to Western Europe.eurasiantimes.com
Airbus Military open for more closed cooperation with KAI in Europe. Is that the plan B(is)?
It's been quite well known that even within Spain there ain't no single universal sentiment towards AFJT, so...AFJT still seems to be an active programme under development in Spain from what I can tell.
CN suite on KF-21 are connected to Cobham conformal antenna. IFF is a BAE product. Block 1 and 2 will be fitted with MIDS JTRS. Few other avionics and quite a few components as well, but those are the most critical ones that comes to my mind right now.what American components are there on the KF-21? off the top of my head the F414 engines and I think the canopy and ejection seats?
Radar is Korean, a number of the missiles are European,
TAC for KF-X program was choosed solely based on the outcomes of the 3rd F-X program, which resulted in F-35As for ROKAF. EADS would have been in place of Lockmart had EF won the competition.Isn't KAI closely related to Lockmart ? no chance in hell Airbus ever carry them away from Uncle Sam influence (and Lockheed too).
Something more related to the KF-50 and highly speculative when it comes to the Borame. But still...
Une autre question soulevée par cette éventuelle coopération entre Airbus Defence & Space et KAI porte sur le KJ-21 Boramae, un chasseur-bombardier de génération 4,5 en cours de développement. Sur ce point, le communiqué du ministère sud-coréen est vague : il parle d’une proposition sur des « ventes potentielles d’avions de combat »… Le Boramae en fait-il partie? Et quel(s) retour(s) le groupe européen pourrait-il en attendre?
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Another question raised by this possible cooperation between Airbus Defense & Space and KAI concerns the KJ-21 Boramae, a 4.5 generation fighter-bomber under development. On this point, the press release from the South Korean ministry is vague: it speaks of a proposal on "potential sales of combat aircraft"... Is the Boramae one of them? And what return(s) could the European group expect?
Airbus Defence & Space veut aider Korea Aerospace Industries à vendre ses avions de combat en Europe - Zone Militaire
Le 18 novembre, le ministère allemande de la Défense a annoncé qu'un accord venait d'être trouvé entre Dassault Aviation et Airbus au sujet de l'avion dewww.opex360.com
Airbus Offers South Korea A 'Win-Win' Strategy To Export Its FA-50 Fighting Eagles To Western Europe
Airbus has offered South Korea a "win-win strategy" to boost the sales of South Korea's FA-50 and other fighters to Western Europe.eurasiantimes.com
Airbus Military open for more closed cooperation with KAI in Europe. Is that the plan B(is)?
There are some rumors regarding the Korean transport aircraft that KAI has been pitching for quite a few years, also related to a mid-sized regional airliner program. Since FMTC is known to be smaller than Hercules and the A400M is quite big, so there's a place for a transport aircraft in between in terms of Airbus' portofolio. KAI has been looking for a financial and techincal partner and has been in contact with Embraer (KC-390, also gives a hint of the size of the transport aircraft the Koreans are considering) alongside Airbus for quite a while now. Overall, unfortunately not a topic for this thread.
No, it's not a proposal but an ongoing program called Air-to-Ship Missile-II. Other name of the program is Multi-Purpose Air-Launched Supersonic Cruise Missile.Weapon on wing is ramjet-propelled-cruise missile
(proposal only)
The program, officially called the Long-Range Air-to-Ground Missile, is not really new. I've also wrote a short post about it a few pages back (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...n-indigenous-fighter-program.1686/post-457609).new missiles for the Boramae
Korea to develop air-launched cruise missile by 2028
South Korea's arms procurement agency will launch a program to develop a long-range, air-launched cruise missile (ALCM), the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), said, Monday. DAPA said it will spend 190 billion won ($145 million) to produce the nation's first domestically...www.koreatimes.co.kr
Oh the flying one? Yes I've mistaken it. LRAGM doesn't have that intake shape. Thanks for noting.
FYI, that's the Turkish SOM.
Will not happen anytime soon. Their fighter jet procurement plan (originally called for around 100 fighter jets in the late 90s) is now complete with the purchase of the FA-50PL. Should they procure any Boramaes, it would be to replace their F-16s, but those were introduced between 2006 and 2009 and the Polish defence planning outlined a planned upgrade for these Falcons.Poland’s PGZ Looks To Join South Korea’s KF-21 Program | Aviation Week Network
The Polish military prime is hoping to participate in the KAI KF-21 fighter program which could see development of a new variant.aviationweek.com
Can't say that I'm surprised, would make a lot of sense considering the the f-50 order and the work being done with the K-2PL
Consdering the state of the world right now i wouldn't be supised if poland dose join in (after all that 100 fighter then was dropped in 2000 for a different plan anyway) russia looks like its starting to unfuck its airforce and if thats the case poland is probably going to be looking for a kf-21 block 2 5th gen fighter to go along with there f-35 order ( i doubt the polish air force would consider upgraded f-16s good enough in that case)Will not happen anytime soon. Their fighter jet procurement plan (originally called for around 100 fighter jets in the late 90s) is now complete with the purchase of the FA-50PL. Should they procure any Boramaes, it would be to replace their F-16s, but those were introduced between 2006 and 2009 and the Polish defence planning outlined a planned upgrade for these Falcons.Poland’s PGZ Looks To Join South Korea’s KF-21 Program | Aviation Week Network
The Polish military prime is hoping to participate in the KAI KF-21 fighter program which could see development of a new variant.aviationweek.com
Can't say that I'm surprised, would make a lot of sense considering the the f-50 order and the work being done with the K-2PL
Though, it is safe to assume that their upgraded Falcons will get phased out around the time (or a bit later than) the point when Korean Falcons will start to get phased out, which means there's a room for cooperation for a future joint Falcon replacement fighter program.