Iron Dome

[Scott Kenny]

Do we have reliable information on whether the last-ditch intercepts at very low altitude used tamir/Iron Dome interceptors (presumably making last-ditch/marginal/trash-fire engagements) or stunner/David's Sling interceptors?

It should be obvious that Iron Dome is optimized for very short range rocket artillery and mortar fire, and that Arrow and in particular David's Sling would have been doing the heavy lifting. But I just want to know what the Israeli tactics and doctrine are - do they hold fire, given that Tamir is of marginal benefit, or do they pop off some Tamir-trash fire and hope for the best given that the cost of a Tamir is so low and the cost is so marginal? Iron Dome should be linked in with the overall BMD system for aerospace defense, so they should be able to get good pre-warning and cueing to make the best shots possible if that was what their commanders decided.

With how cheap Tamirs are, my personal inclination would be to use it as the absolute last ditch against leakers. It's probably at the ragged edge of what Tamir is capable of engaging in terms of closing speed, but it's one last swing at the leaker before it hits.

Or hell, maybe Tamir is capable of regularly engaging Mach 3+ closing targets?

 

[Cjc]

I would be surprised if it couldn't considering the rockets hezbola and hamas send out are about that fast anyway.

 

[Maro.Kyo]

I would be surprised if it couldn't considering the rockets hezbola and hamas send out are about that fast anyway.

Stop bullshitting. They definitely aren't.

Actually, on second thoughts maybe it ain't that bad of you to stay spamming emotes because you clearly don't know shit to seriously comment on anything.

 

[Mr.T]

Iron dome is not designed to take on Balistic missiles , its a C-Ram for slow homemade rockets lobed at Israel most of the time.


''Unlike its predecessors, the new model is equipped with a re-entry vehicle which integrates a guidance system that controls four aerodynamic surfaces for endo-atmospheric flight, and thrusters which can adjust the vehicle’s exo-atmospheric trajectory, before it re-enters the earth’s atmosphere.
In order to gain higher precision, EMAD likely integrates inertial and satellite navigation systems with aerodynamic and propulsion control to guide the re-entry vehicle to its target. Potentially, with these capabilities also enable the reentry vehicle to dodge interceptors, posing a new challenge for missile defenses

The new missile is Iran’s first Maneuverable, Re-entry-Vehicle (MaRV)-equipped missile. In order to gain higher precision, EMAD likely integrates inertial navigation systems employed in previous weapons with satellite navigation systems, to compensate for the inertial navigation drift which develops over the long flight trajectory. Having such a navigation system on board also enables the re-entry vehicle to conduct evasive maneuvers, in an attempt to evade or confuse the enemy’s anti-missile systems and significantly to improve accuracy.''

Iran has positioned it’s ballistic missile force as a strategic arm capable of attacking Israel. Israel, with U.S. assistance and financial support, has developed and fielded a multi-layered missile-defense network based on the Arrow 2 missile defense system, employing IAI’s Arrow 2 Block 4 interceptors, capable of defeating Iran’s ballistic missiles of the Shahab 3 generation. Additional capabilities are currently in development with Arrow 3 and US THAAD ballistic missile interceptors, soon to be positioned in the Persian Gulf.

The Arrow 3 interceptors will be able to intercept Iran’s missiles in outer space, before the separation of re-entry vehicles. So far the main concern of missile defenses was eliminating the enemy missile’s before release of any decoys, thus avoiding the challenge of distinguishing the actual target from decoys. A re-entry vehicle that can dodge interceptors will pose a new challenge for missile defenses.

MaRV are not new US and the USSR tested these already in the 70's and Iran definetly has some

https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/military-balance/2023/07/removing-the-hype-from-irans-hypersonic-conqueror

Incoming and outgoing , likely not Iron dome but Arrow, David Sling etc , most getting trough.

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