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i try and got a download
it's a 19 page PDF
"Tentative description of construction of Flying wing 229"
the Translation by Technical Intelligence T-2 AMG
of the German document, "Vorläufige Baubeschreibung des Nurflügel 229" by Schmid
Reel 2037 Frame 288 ADRC, Nov 22 1944 4pp. 12 Illus.
it's a 19 page PDF
"Tentative description of construction of Flying wing 229"
the Translation by Technical Intelligence T-2 AMG
of the German document, "Vorläufige Baubeschreibung des Nurflügel 229" by Schmid
Reel 2037 Frame 288 ADRC, Nov 22 1944 4pp. 12 Illus.
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ReccePhreak said:
I tried again and got an error message "The file is damaged and could not be repaired".
Thanks anyway.
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Wow 
! Thanks Justo, I am still trying to manage this ammount of images.
Back to the Fliegerbildschule Hildesheim image posted by Richard, I now see that the misterious jet bomber was in fact the Horten VII TL project. Very nice indeed.
! Thanks Justo, I am still trying to manage this ammount of images.Back to the Fliegerbildschule Hildesheim image posted by Richard, I now see that the misterious jet bomber was in fact the Horten VII TL project. Very nice indeed.
Justo, please do not get me wrong but for me many of your drawings seem to incorporate several fictional elements which are not based on original sketches or descriptions (for example your drawing of the Ho-229B, post from October 03). Am I wrong?
Basil,
As the regulars of this forum know, the nature of my work is occasionally speculative. It consists of rebuilding these machines as they would have really liked, in the most realistic possible way.
In the present case, I have based my work on the descriptions of the Ho/229B published in the book ‘Jet Planes of the Third Reich – The Secret Project – Volume One’ by Manfred Griehl and in the book ‘The Horten Brothers and their all-wing aircraft’ by David Myhra. The wings structural data comes from ‘Nurflügel’ by Reimar Horten and Peter F. Selinger.
Once the measures of pilot, weapons and engines are integrated within the structure, there is virtually no margin of error in this type of reconstruction, although it is always necessary to incorporate some speculative element, like the position of fuel tanks, ammo tanks and electronic equipment.
It would be something like rebuilding the damaged parts of the dinosaurs DNA using DNA from frogs, as in ‘Jurassic Park` . The risky part is that frogs may change sex if they need to and I have also had to accept that sometimes my work had some errors. Through the years, however, I have been able to verify that my working method is quite more reliable than the DNA one.
At any rate, the speculative drawings in my last book are identified as such and are no more than 30% out of the total number of drawings.
As the regulars of this forum know, the nature of my work is occasionally speculative. It consists of rebuilding these machines as they would have really liked, in the most realistic possible way.
In the present case, I have based my work on the descriptions of the Ho/229B published in the book ‘Jet Planes of the Third Reich – The Secret Project – Volume One’ by Manfred Griehl and in the book ‘The Horten Brothers and their all-wing aircraft’ by David Myhra. The wings structural data comes from ‘Nurflügel’ by Reimar Horten and Peter F. Selinger.
Once the measures of pilot, weapons and engines are integrated within the structure, there is virtually no margin of error in this type of reconstruction, although it is always necessary to incorporate some speculative element, like the position of fuel tanks, ammo tanks and electronic equipment.
It would be something like rebuilding the damaged parts of the dinosaurs DNA using DNA from frogs, as in ‘Jurassic Park`
. The risky part is that frogs may change sex if they need to and I have also had to accept that sometimes my work had some errors. Through the years, however, I have been able to verify that my working method is quite more reliable than the DNA one.At any rate, the speculative drawings in my last book are identified as such and are no more than 30% out of the total number of drawings.
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Justo Miranda said:
And that's more, than we get from many other authors, thank you Justo ! And a good reminder, as
for myself, I'll give a clue like "reconstruction" directly on the drawing in the future.
Don't know any percentage, perhaps we could start a kind of a quizz: How many of all 3-views,
all those thousands upon thousands floating around in books, mags and , of course the internet,
are really based on manufacturers drawings ? When browsing through modellers fora, you may
get an idea, when again and again someone complains about a kit not fitting the 3-view published
in X ... maybe he just had used another 3-view, than the producer of the kit ? Have a try and just
google for 3-views of the Messerschmitt Bf 109 ... all of them are just modified drawings from
Messerschmitt ??
And by the way, I've a number of examples in the meantime, where even drawings published by
the manufacturers had severe errors !
So our search for the drawing, that is 100 % correct probably is in vain and many may be just
lulled into a false sense of security with regards to accuracy.
Justo,
thanks for the answer. I am aware of the fact you have a large collection of literature and original copies (especially of German designs). Regarding the sketch of the Ho-229B I was amazed to see this kind of landing gear with one large frontwheel and two smaller mainwheels (if I interpret the drawing correctly). Is this an assumption (I have not seen that concept on any other Horten design)? However, it is also the first time for me to see the antenna arrangement of a FUG 228 (seems to be a Morgenstern / morning star layout with one director and one reflector).
thanks for the answer. I am aware of the fact you have a large collection of literature and original copies (especially of German designs). Regarding the sketch of the Ho-229B I was amazed to see this kind of landing gear with one large frontwheel and two smaller mainwheels (if I interpret the drawing correctly). Is this an assumption (I have not seen that concept on any other Horten design)? However, it is also the first time for me to see the antenna arrangement of a FUG 228 (seems to be a Morgenstern / morning star layout with one director and one reflector).
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Basil said:
We were a little bit distracted by all those antennas, but this question was already dealt with here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4973.msg50637.html#msg50637 and the
following posts.
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I was perusing the Sharkit site, looking for some ideas, and came upon a little kit that was awfully familiar. The model was a Horten Kampfjaeger, and was a near spitting image of the Horten IX fighter, only scaled down with a single engine under the fuselage.
Since then, I've been looking as far as I could, but, other than model being offered for sale(at 45 Euros, though, I'd have to think long and hard before I'd be willing to shell that out, at least for now) in Sharkit, I have found nary a mention of it elsewhere, so maybe someone here might have had the information from elsewhere, because unlike what more than a few youngster might say about everything being on the internet, not everything is to be found in the internet, which is what books and books searches are for.
Now, having downloaded the illustration of the little fighter, and comparing it against an old 1/72 Horten IX(vacform), the wings of both match fairly well, even spot on, if you squint a little. And a nacelle isn't all that difficult to cobble, along with a spare bubble canopy and cockpit. And the landing gear look duplicable. So............... :
Since then, I've been looking as far as I could, but, other than model being offered for sale(at 45 Euros, though, I'd have to think long and hard before I'd be willing to shell that out, at least for now) in Sharkit, I have found nary a mention of it elsewhere, so maybe someone here might have had the information from elsewhere, because unlike what more than a few youngster might say about everything being on the internet, not everything is to be found in the internet, which is what books and books searches are for.
Now, having downloaded the illustration of the little fighter, and comparing it against an old 1/72 Horten IX(vacform), the wings of both match fairly well, even spot on, if you squint a little. And a nacelle isn't all that difficult to cobble, along with a spare bubble canopy and cockpit. And the landing gear look duplicable. So............... :
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Perhaps more information can be found here ? Justo ?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22705.0.html
BTW, I'll reorganise this thread an the "various Horten projects" one during the next time.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22705.0.html
BTW, I'll reorganise this thread an the "various Horten projects" one during the next time.