German WW1 Fighters and Recce Aircraft Prototypes and Projects

[hesham]

My dear Tuizenfloot,


as I know this aircraft was mentioned in Die deutschen Militärflugzeuge 1910-1918.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Sorry, hesham, nothing found in Die deutschen Militärflugzeuge 1910-1918 (only the 5D 1 is mentionned)..

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Tuizenfloot,


I will check from my source.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the LVG D.13 was a single seat biplane fighter powered by one Mercedes D IV engine and the LVG
D.14 was also a single seat biplane fighter,powered by one Mercedes D IVa engine,I don't know
if they were a projects or not ?.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Both one built (Lange, Typenhandbuch, p. 76). D 13 with Benz Bz III.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Naglo D.I was a single seat quadruplane fighter (1161/18),actually built.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Based on different sources my conclusion is that
- there was only one Naglo type, the single well-known D II quadruplane
- both the serials D1161/18 and D1165/18 are given for this plane (the 1100 serials are obscure)
So I think "Naglo D I" is a misprint for D II.

 

[hesham]

My dear Tuizentfloot,


I think the Naglo D.I was developed or led to D.II,please see;


http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/aircraft/47153-naglo-aircraft.html

It is special that Naglo was allowed to build this quadruplane. According to information provided by Peter M. Grosz the quadruplane was the Naglo D.I [1161/18], this machine was never entered in a Fighter Competition at Adlershof, but ....................
the Naglo D.II [1165/18] appeared but did not compete in the Adlershof Second Fighter Competition during May-June 1918. Contrary to the D.I quadruplane the D.II was a more conventional biplane, which probably made good use of the fuselage and the rudder of the D.I. The fuselage was 'hung' between the wings. Ein-steilig with a big I-like strut. No picture has been found of this machine till now

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Thank you, my dear Hesham. I didn't know that.
You are never too young to learn

 

[Tuizentfloot]

In the meantime I found this drawing of a Naglo biplane, apparently the D II biplane.
See https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naglo-Bootswerft-Aircraft/222598187820258

 

[hesham]

Great find my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Rex company designed a single seat float biplane in 1917,powered by one Benz Bz III
engine,but I don't know if it was a fighter or recce aircraft.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Another puzzle, Hesham.
The sole reference I found about a Rex single seat seaplane of 1917 with Benz Bz III is in Lange's Typenhandbuch.
But ... it is our well-known Ursinus floatplane nr. 782...
Here we go again...
Apparently nobody knows for sure where it was built. Rex? LTG? Gotha?
I join a scan from Lange pp. 54-55 concerning this "Rex Seejagdeinsitzer". Sorry for the bad quality.

 

[hesham]

Many thanks to you my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Schwade company designed the DR.I,it was a single seat triplane fighter,but I don't
know if it was only a project,or actually built,and if it was related to this aircraft or not;


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4951.msg39354.html#msg39354

 

[Tuizentfloot]

As far as I know one single Schwade Dr I was built. This is al I know about this type and I never saw an illustration of it. In Jack Herris' recent (2013) "Germany's Triplane Craze" it isn't even mentionned...

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Pfalz company had two D aircraft,they are not related to D series (D.I up to D.XV),the first
was D Experimental as a single seat biplane fighter powered by one Mercedes D IIIa engine
and D Type was also single seat biplane fighter,powered by one Mercedes D I engine.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

An attempt to identify both types:

• D Experimental with D IIIa: the type variously described as "Pfalz Experimental D Type" by Gray/Thetford, or "Pfalz D IIIa with SPAD-like wing configuration" by Herris. One of a number of D III modifications.
  D Type with D I: the first Pfalz biplane fighter D 4. Simply called "Pfalz D Type" by Gray/Thetford.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Zeppelin Lindau C.IV was a recce aircraft,but no more info is known about it.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

What Lange has to say about the C IV:
"Experimental. Bigger C II with 12,72 m span".
That's all, and that's all I know...

 

[hesham]

Many thanks to you my dear Tuizentfloot.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Hansa Brandenburg KDD was a float biplane,powered by one Austro Daimler
engine.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Correction, dear hesham, the Brandenburg KDD was not a floatplane. It was a 1916 two seater development of the single seat KD. The single protype had the Austrian number 60.56.

Brandenburg built a sigele seat floatplane development of the KD: the KDW of 1916.

A photograph of the KDD (sorry for the bad quality). Source: Keimel, Luftfahrzeugbau in Österreich (2003).

 

[richard]

Bonjour


Your picture shows the Hansa-Brandenburg C II 66.51


Here , the HB.KDD 60.56 ( from Karl R.Pawlas "Deutsche Flugzeuge 1914-1918 , Luftfahrt Dokumente LD 20" )

 

[hesham]

Excellent my dears Tuizentfloot and Richard,


also Hansa Brandenburg KD/S and KD/V were a biplanes,powered by one Mercedes D III engine
for each type,but no more details are known.

 

[richard]

From the same source , the two HB.KD ( my source don't use the Lange's KD.V & KD.S )


The german (?) one (KD.V ?)

The austrian (?) one (KD.S ?)

 

[hesham]

Many thanks to you my dear Richard.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Indeed, richard, the photograph I sent this morning was the C II 66.51. It was a mistake: I scanned the wrong photograph from the same page 291 of Keimel's Luftfahrtzeugbau. It was probably too early in the morning ....

Here is the real 60.56 from the same page of the same source. And in the same bad quality. I also found your two photographs in Pawlas, p. 152.

Concerning the KD sources differ concerning the engine. Lange (Typenhandbuch, p. 68) says both KD/V and KD/S had a Mercedes D III, 160 hp.

Personally, I tend for the version of Grosz, Haddow, Schiemer in Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One (1993), p. 418:

The first example of the KD (called KD/V by Lange and others) had a Mercedes D III and was a company-sponsored prototype, not specifically for the Austrian market.

The second example (KD/S) was built on Austrian demand and had an Austro-Daimler 160 hp. In the same time Austria issued a letter of intent for 50 KD (D I).

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Hansa-Brandenburg DD was a biplane powered by one Mercedes D III engine,but
I don't know if it was a fighter or recce aircraft ?.

 

[richard]

The KDD was a two seater ...

 

[Tuizentfloot]

It was a recce aircraft, evolved from the LDD. Span 13,12 m; length 8,20 m, gross weight 1215 kg; max. speed 145 km/h.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears Richard and Tuizentfloot,


and it is "DD" aircraft.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

"Genealogy" of the Hansa Brandenburg DD:

D with Benz Bz II => FD with Argus => LDD with Mercedes D I => DD with Daimler D III

The D had a length of 8,45 m. The three others 8,20 m.
All four had a span of 13,12 m.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

Addition:

All four were recce aircraft.

And Daimler D III is naturally Daimler (Mercedes) D III. And so is Mercedes D I.

 

[hesham]

Many thanks to you my dear Tuizentfloot,


also Hansa-Brandenburg AE was a biplane of 1915,powered by one Benz Bz III engine.

 

[Tuizentfloot]

The type AE was an early Hansa-Brandenburg seaplane in a line related to the type W.

"Genealogy":

W (Benz Bz III, als with Daimler-Mercedes) and variants: W/S (Argus As II) and W/SS trainer (Maybach)

=> AE (Benz Bz III)

=> NW (Daimler-Mercedes D III) and variant NW/4 (Benz Bz III)

All these seaplanes were three bay biplanes.

A two bay sea-biplane based on the NW was the LW with Daimler-Mercedes D III

 

[hesham]

Many thanks to you my dear Tuizentfloot.