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... that it has nothing to do with the radio controlled testbed ?
And how do you explain "gegengewicht" in this pic?
... that it has nothing to do with the radio controlled testbed ?
And how do you explain "gegengewicht" in this pic?
The RVT 2 has a 1800 hp engine mounted in the engine compartment, that would make the vehicle really tail-heavy.... that it has nothing to do with the radio controlled testbed ?
And how do you explain "gegengewicht" in this pic?
Of course it does have something to do with.... that it has nothing to do with the radio controlled testbed ?
And how do you explain "gegengewicht" in this pic?
These guns are controlled via the principle called ERNA, which is short of Entkoppelten Richt und Nachführantriebe, translating as Decoupled Aiming and Tracking Drive.Wouldn't those side by side guns be hard to aim?
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The panoramic sight is fully stablized and the relative movement of target is decoupled into vertical movement and horizontal movement. The mainguns are stablized with correction, tracking the target only in vertical direction.
The gunner press the firing trigger, more like holding the trigger still for a while, and this will intervene the driving control signal, turning the whole vehicle towards his target. As soon as the firing lines coincide with the target, the firing circuit automatically set off the guns.
It's also said that the twin guns are mounted with a convergence point about 1500 m away.
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There was considerable research undertaken when they were designed. It is why they have a gun along each side, over the tracks to prevent or minimise sway instead of only one or two guns along the centreline. This was revealed when they were first shown to the public in an article published in IDR which I read back in the early 1980s.Did they fire in synchronization? I'd imagine shooting one at a time would cause considerable sway.
What about the Project 1-6? And what does the HL/HK stand for?Hello from Frielendorf Nordhessen in Germany, I came across the forum by chance because I deal very intensively with the prototypes of the Bundeswehr. I myself was able to buy some original prototypes of the Bundeswehr by chance. Here is my collection in one picture.
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In my collection there are, among others, Leopard 1 prototype of the pre-series, Leopard 2 prototype with 20mm gun and the PT11 Turret, two wheeled armored vehicles of the family of the Wildcat air defense system and an unknown tank destroyer that I once showed here!
Greetings from Frielendorf in Germany
It is variant of the Project 07HK. Very interesting design ahead of it’s time – TV sights, autoloader, anti neutron protection. Great potential.
152 mm Shillelagh or 120 mm delta gun, the model above is 152. Designed 1965 - second stage of the 07HL Project with 3 man grew.
Do you have more images/information on the second one?Hi smurf hi jazz sorry i am late had to work.
The question you ask me smurf about the time the first picture was taken i think it is around 1978 so it said in the magazine.
As for the information about the leopard 3 it is very interesting the VTS-1 i think is the marderchassis(german personel carrier) with an external 105 mm cannon. As for the kpz90 never heard off it,perhaps its called different
I have some schematics i found in a magazine wehrtechnik (defencetechnik) and the second one i think is something alike the MBT-70 with the driver in the turret.
What do you think off them ? And have you other pics then mine off the leopard 3 or Kpz90
Hi Hannesjo,i found the corresponding document for 07/HK (the turretless one) in bundesarchiv online database, however it has not yet been digitalized yet. Any chance you have access to it?Hello from Frielendorf Nordhessen in Germany, I came across the forum by chance because I deal very intensively with the prototypes of the Bundeswehr. I myself was able to buy some original prototypes of the Bundeswehr by chance. Here is my collection in one picture.
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In my collection there are, among others, Leopard 1 prototype of the pre-series, Leopard 2 prototype with 20mm gun and the PT11 Turret, two wheeled armored vehicles of the family of the Wildcat air defense system and an unknown tank destroyer that I once showed here!
Greetings from Frielendorf in Germany
As far as I know only Project 07 exists. A pre-MBT70 project initiated in 1963. According to Bundesarchiv there are Rhinestahl Hanomag(07/RH), Henschel Kassel(07/HK) and Porshce(07/P, aka Typ 1784) involved.What about the Project 1-6? And what does the HL/HK stand for?
The game World of Tanks launched the project 07 of Rheinmetall and Henschel Kassel. Of course the game isn't completely faithful to history (which is the main reason it's notorious),but I think their model art has some reference value. From the modeling point of view, the 07 RH uses a three-axis stabilized turret.Now the question is, what is Porsche's project 07 plan ?As far as I know only Project 07 exists. A pre-MBT70 project initiated in 1963. According to Bundesarchiv there are Rhinestahl Hanomag(07/RH), Henschel Kassel(07/HK) and Porshce(07/P, aka Typ 1784) involved.
I have to say that the turret on the left picture looks like a Rheinmetall patent turret called the "Kugelturm".The game World of Tanks launched the project 07 of Rheinmetall and Henschel Kassel. Of course the game isn't completely faithful to history (which is the main reason it's notorious),but I think their model art has some reference value. From the modeling point of view, the 07 RH uses a three-axis stabilized turret.Now the question is, what is Porsche's project 07 plan ?
How is the main cannon supposed to work?Hello from Frielendorf Nordhessen in Germany, I came across the forum by chance because I deal very intensively with the prototypes of the Bundeswehr. I myself was able to buy some original prototypes of the Bundeswehr by chance. Here is my collection in one picture.
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In my collection there are, among others, Leopard 1 prototype of the pre-series, Leopard 2 prototype with 20mm gun and the PT11 Turret, two wheeled armored vehicles of the family of the Wildcat air defense system and an unknown tank destroyer that I once showed here!
Greetings from Frielendorf in Germany
Look at the gun mechanism on the model, it is clearly not a gun purely aimed by hull rotation. As you can see, it's not even fixed in position. It can se observed that this cannon in fact has some degree of movement, evident by the amount of space provided for the purpose. Also, in the center you can see what appears to be an axis of rotation for the gun to elevate. Anyways if the gun is completely aimed by the tank chassis, it would just be fixed into position without any allowance for movement."How is the main cannon supposed to work ?"
Uh, like the S-Tank via very nimble hydro-pneumatic suspension and differential drive ??
All it's missing is rear-facing driver for optimal 'scoot' after 'shoot'...
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"...two wheeled armored vehicles of the family of the Wildcat air defense system..."
For a moment, I thought half-tracks were back, then I realised a comma was missing: aside from similarly named helos and assault rifles, Wildcats come in two chassis types, 4-wheel and 6-wheel...
The second design is intriguing, it looks like a shortened Leopard 2 with an angled turret. Speaking of which, there were patents about them in 1965 by Herbert Kunze, Henshel company. A decade later there was also a Japanese patent about the same idea. The layout was supposed to reduce the height of the tank and to move the gun closer to center of mass.Hi smurf hi jazz sorry i am late had to work.
The question you ask me smurf about the time the first picture was taken i think it is around 1978 so it said in the magazine.
As for the information about the leopard 3 it is very interesting the VTS-1 i think is the marderchassis(german personel carrier) with an external 105 mm cannon. As for the kpz90 never heard off it,perhaps its called different
I have some schematics i found in a magazine wehrtechnik (defencetechnik) and the second one i think is something alike the MBT-70 with the driver in the turret.
What do you think off them ? And have you other pics then mine off the leopard 3 or Kpz90
S-tank was officially tested against the M-60 and was no slower in combat tests.That might be a nice romantic concept but in reality, unless you're on the steppes or in a nice flat desert, its not going to work very well in reality. Those things called obstacles will prevent you manoeuvring and the length of barrel projecting at the corners will make it even worse. Then of course, you have the problems of dispersion and aiming such widely divergent guns accurately while on the move.
combined replyAmazing that still some people insist with the double gun concept, it remembers me a soviet KV projekt of the 1930s.
Idea was to increase the chances of first round hit., I'm assuming fire one, see the impact, fire two if needed, GTFO.OK, not doubting someone came up with a project like this but, why? What is the supposed advantage of the design? I can see the problems easily enough having crewed Chieftain myself and cannot see this working as a practical tool.
That is a single gun, centrally mounted. Twin guns widely mounted will have far worse problems.S-tank was officially tested against the M-60 and was no slower in combat tests.
Again, the idea was to have a very rapid follow-up shot, in case your gunner flubbed the range estimate.That is a single gun, centrally mounted. Twin guns widely mounted will have far worse problems.
*SIGH* Such wonderful faith you have in technology. I remember watching a film about trials of a laser ranger on a early model Chieftain, in comparison to a RMG equipped machine. Guess which one hit with it's first shot? Lasers are not 100% accurate, particularly in the early versions. The twin gunned vehicle was to ensure a hit with the second round, if the first failed, even with laser range finders installed.Again, the idea was to have a very rapid follow-up shot, in case your gunner flubbed the range estimate.
Laser rangefinders effectively made that concept void by all but completely eliminating range estimation error.
What does the 07/RH tank look like?As far as I know only Project 07 exists. A pre-MBT70 project initiated in 1963. According to Bundesarchiv there are Rhinestahl Hanomag(07/RH), Henschel Kassel(07/HK) and Porshce(07/P, aka Typ 1784) involved.
I‘m sorry, the document for the entire 07 series are not available online. All i can find is a patent illustrating its suspension.What does the 07/RH tank look like?
It was Ublacker project and looked like thisWhat does the 07/RH tank look like?
That image looks fabricated... I meant an actual drawing of the 07/RH. Also, as you are the one who mentioned those vehicles, may I ask you about why is it called project 07 in the first place? Another point to ask is about drawings of the "Delta Gun" for use on these combat vehicles.It was Ublacker project and looked like this
Thank you a lot, and this reminds me of an image I discovered made by Rheinstahl. "Panzerfahrzeug mit kugelturm"it was 07 as it was designed as tank of 1970s, they had rigid mount of a gun, the combat compartant is shown here -
Also, I think it's a good time to start a new sub-section, as this tank is not casemate.it was 07 as it was designed as tank of 1970s, they had rigid mount of a gun, the combat compartant is shown here -
That sound extremely advanced. Do you happen to have actual design plans or drawings about the 07HK or the large caliber artillery "Delta"?It is variant of the Project 07HK. Very interesting design ahead of it’s time – TV sights, autoloader, anti neutron protection. Great potential.
152 mm Shillelagh or 120 mm delta gun, the model above is 152. Designed 1965 - second stage of the 07HL Project with 3 man grew.