Drones and how to kill them?

Ukrainian forces intercepted a Russian drone's video downlink. The footage is reportedly from Nikopol (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/47.5735/34.3913). The recording is available at:

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Противник методом видеоперехвата показывает как дрон от Судоплатовцев зажигает частный сектор г. Никополь, Херсонское направление. Выглядит гораздо эффективнее и интереснее термитного дрона.
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I wonder what kind of FPV drone with missiles was portrayed in the vid.
 
And here, the video downlink of an FPV drone is being jammed in cycles:

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Ещё видео, на котором наши используют так называемую "штору", блокируя видеосигнал с вражеских дронов.
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Allegedly, Russian forces started to use AI-assisted kamikaze drones, which are still imperfect.

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Про зв'язок від Сергія Флеш

Російський дрон із захопленням цілі та автосупроводженням з курського плацдарму. Останнім часом таких дронів стає все більше. Утримання рухомої цілі далеко від ідеалу, але працює. Нагадую, що дрон з авто захопленням цілі повністю нейтралізує окопний РЕБ. У разі серійного виробництва модуль...
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For that kind of small UAV, it is actually feasible to use electromagnetic suppression, disrupt the communication of the drone, and for the kind of UAV that can destroy the tank, you can add an AI combat system, and it may be good to add an automatic turret to the tank. Of course, this is just a wild imagination
 
Oerlikon Skyranger at work in UA against UAVs.

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For the first time, the enemy publishes footage of the combat work of the 35mm single-barrel anti-aircraft artillery module "Oerlikon Skyranger Gun" from the multi-element anti-aircraft artillery system "Skynex", covering one of the strategically important rear facilities of the Armed Forces of...
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Forest Green said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1840199870805578029
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At $22k per shot, these APKWS II rockets seem like the perfect off-the-shelf solution for drone and subsonic cruise missiles. That's cheaper than a Shahed suicide drone (sold to Russia for $193k per drone), cheaper than any cruise missile. Non-kinetic effectors like HPM and HEL will still be needed to get that cost per kill down to the several dollar range for the purpose of defeating swarms of super cheap quadcopters like we see in Ukraine. In the meantime, I don't understand why the US isn't going all-in on procuring these systems by the thousands, rockets by the tens of thousands.
 
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At $22k per shot, these APKWS II rockets seem like the perfect off-the-shelf solution for drone and subsonic cruise missiles. That's cheaper than a Shahed suicide drone (sold to Russia for $193k per drone), cheaper than any cruise missile. Non-kinetic effectors like HPM and HEL will still be needed to get that cost per kill down to the several dollar range for the purpose of defeating swarms of super cheap quadcopters like we see in Ukraine. In the meantime, I don't understand why the US isn't going all-in on procuring these systems by the thousands, rockets by the tens of thousands.
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APKWS is laser-guided, if you don't have good line of sight to the drone/missile the APKWS loses lock and doesn't hit.

What you need is LOGIR, which is primarily used by the South Koreans. Low cost Guided Infrared Rocket. Those can lock onto a drone or missile and stay on it.

I stand corrected. APKWS does have Imaging IR and proximity fuzing options now. (Kinda surprised that those got developed so quickly...)
 
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APKWS is laser-guided, if you don't have good line of sight to the drone/missile the APKWS loses lock and doesn't hit.

What you need is LOGIR, which is primarily used by the South Koreans. Low cost Guided Infrared Rocket. Those can lock onto a drone or missile and stay on it.
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APKWS has both IIR and proximity fuse options now.
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There's also LCITS.
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Ronny said:
Shahed now has IIR seeker to kill UAV?
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What altitude can it fly at though?

In other news:

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Chinese Laser Anti-Drone System Spotted In Iran

A very high-profile appearance by Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has given us a glimpse at some of China's latest counter-drone technology.
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Anduril's Roadrunner Drone Hunting Drone Gets Expanded Order From Pentagon

The optionally reusable Roadrunner jet interceptor drone has been tested overseas in real world circumstances and now the DoD wants more.
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Counter-Drone Stryker Armored Vehicle Armed With Lasers, Rockets, Guns Unveiled

The new Stryker aims to offer the Army another layer of highly mobile lower-tier air defense capability to help rebuff drone attacks.
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This looks like what a child would design with some action figures - just throw all your weapons systems on top of a stryker. I absolutely love it.

For all the DOD's talk of readiness (the Navy and the Airforce are delaying long-term modernization projects in favor of being ready to fight this decade), they seem to be dragging their feet in procuring both drones en masse and counter-drone systems in masse. The joint force won't be able to fight a peer adversary if they don't have these things very soon. This SHORAD stryker looks great - you have 4 different weapons systems to take out groups 1 and 2 UAS (maybe even group 3?). The weapons systems are mostly mature. The Stryker is available in numbers to take on new tasks, they aren't needed anymore for their original purpose. Just procure a few hundred of these now, please lord.
 
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This looks like what a child would design with some action figures - just throw all your weapons systems on top of a stryker. I absolutely love it.
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They're all mature systems and mostly complement each other. And when you need to put together a defense from anything from a couple pounds up to 1300lbs, you need a variety of systems to do the job.
 
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Northrop Grumman Enhances Air Defense with Advanced AI Integration

Los Angeles CA (SPX) Oct 13, 2024 - Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) has introduced an advanced artificial intelligence (AI) capability to its Forward Area Air Defense (FAAD) Advanced Battle Manager (ABM) system, aimed at impr
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1845791966446948393
View: https://x.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1845791966446948393

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845797958572224669
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Post #636: Should be better placed in Iranian drones? In fact it's related to that you recently posted there
 
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@Forest Green

Post #636: Should be better placed in Iranian drones? In fact it's related to that you recently posted there
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It is also talking about how the Ukrainians are effectively countering drones. Soft kills, not shooting them all down I assume.

And soft kills via Jamming are a lot cheaper than any hard kill short of a DEW.
 

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