Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects

[LookingGlass]

It's a 170-1 w/o engine and wings.

It's just an RVV-AE / K-77 without stabilizers installed. No internal equivalent was ever accepted in service for RuAF. It's rough equivalent is AIM-120B and it has been offered for export since 2000s.

RVV-AE / K-77, MAKS-2007 (note the form of the base for lattice rudder and fairings for laser proximity fuse)

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Air-to-air missile RVV-AE | Catalog Rosoboronexport

The RVV-AE medium-range air-to-air missile is designed to engage air targets (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, helicopters, military transport aircraft and cruise missiles) from any direction, day ...

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RVV-SD / K-77-1 / R-77-1 (in RuAF service) for reference

Air-to-air missile RVV-SD | Catalog Rosoboronexport

The RVV-SD medium-range air-to-air missile is designed to engage air targets (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, helicopters, military transport aircraft and cruise missiles) from any direction, day ...

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English markings serve as an additional confirmation of an export model. There was no other "secret" medium range AA missile in serial production in 2018-19 other than these.

 

[LookingGlass]

Blue lines on the pic shows us somethnig very interesting ,astonishing....
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They blue lines show us a visual distortion from a fisheye camera.
You yourself posted pictures about that show no bent shapes and a classical cylindrical form.

Here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/izdelie-270-u-gosmkb-vimpel-2018-png.750390/
And here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/286/286152-25d2da3ae9cff7cf34b6ac231af5cc04.jpg
And here (the top one): https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/286/286148-df1ed9006fafadf738c4861643c6270a.jpg

 

[LookingGlass]

Your dimension for 810 seems way too big.

His weight for R-37M is also off. ROE stated weight for RVV-BD are "up to 510 kg". I doubt that RuAF's model comes almost 20% heavier than an export one, considering the missiles are identical in shapes.

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View: https://youtu.be/ZYOu38oJZ1c?t=252

 

[Squirrel]

weapons bay

So 'FWC' are about 4.5m long, tnx.

 

[Squirrel]

I do find it interesting that the rvv-bd export model has a listed max range of 200km and that stealthflanker's simulations show around 200km max unlofted range. So the export R-37m may lack the datalinks for communicating with other vehicles which would allow kills beyond radar horizon I am guessing. Export version can probably only talk to it's host carrier.

Export version of the R-37M /Izd. 610M known as Izd 620 has the same launch distances as R-37M. I don't know any of the exported AAM's that has less launch distances then the version used in Soviet/Russian AF.
Main differences between export version and the domestic version of one radar guided AAM is in the so called carrier or 'liter' frequencies. E.g. those used by active or semi-active radar seekers and of course by radio-proximity fuse.

If we talk about that so called 'max/min ranges' or better max/min authorised launch distances, we have three launch parameters: 'Dr max 1' or authorised launch distance against non-maneuvering air target. 'Dr max 2' as authorised launch distance against maneuverable air target and we have 'Dr min' as min authorised launch distance. Authorisation of course comes from the WCS. As we all know ,launch distances depend on many factors/parameters: speed/alt of the fighter and its target,angle aspect and hemisphere etc etc...

R-37M should have max launch distance in 'Dr max 1' parameter for engaging big /means bigger frontal RCS/ incoming air target of 400 kms ( should have). Note: record-breaking launch distance ever, was achieved on April 1994 during one exercise with test AAM type K-37/Izd 610 launched from the prototype MiG-31M number 057 blue.Launch distance was 304kms.

 

[Squirrel]

I've seen Izdeliye 270 mentioned as a designation for a new missile but as a clean-sheet replacement to R-77 (170). People have speculated this missile might be 270 but I've seen no evidence this is anything but speculation.

We have Izd 171-1 and also that Izd 180. Of course, VKS fighters MiG-31BM,Su-30SM/SM2 and Su-35S and MA-VMF MiG-29K/KUB use R-77-1 or Izd 170-1 for years now /became operational in small numbers from the beginning of 2016/.
Tried to find that article in which Izd 270 is mentioned but right now Vympel site is unavailable. There is one article from 'bmpd' about some results that Vympel achieved in 2020.

Программы НИОКР ГосМКБ «Вымпел» имени И.И. Торопова​

They mentioned AAM known as BD-bolshaya dalynost ' or better to say it was Izd 810 as ready for the ground and fligtht tests. About AAM known as MD -malaya dalynost,plan was to finnish tests until the end of 2020. MD was RVV-MD2 or Izd 760/R-74M2 ,I guess. About AAM known as SD-srednaya dalynost ,source wrote that this AAM was in the phase ready for State tests. Question is ,which AAM in fact, Izd 180 ? What about that Izd 270 ....
They also mentioned that in 2020 export version of R-37M / RVV-BD/ known also as Izd 620 was in the State tests.

Программы НИОКР ГосМКБ «Вымпел» имени И.И. Торопова

В корпоративной газете Вымпел АО Государственное машиностроительное конструкторское бюро Вымпел имени И.И. Торопова (АО ГосМКБ Вымпел им. И.И. Торопова) - ведущего российского предприятия в области разработки и производства…

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[Squirrel]

They blue lines show us a visual distortion from a fisheye camera.
You yourself posted pictures about that show no bent shapes and a classical cylindrical form.

Here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/izdelie-270-u-gosmkb-vimpel-2018-png.750390/
And here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/286/286152-25d2da3ae9cff7cf34b6ac231af5cc04.jpg
And here (the top one): https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/286/286148-df1ed9006fafadf738c4861643c6270a.jpg

Hi, sorry but I don't understand your comment. No pls take a look at this pic and try to find differences between AAM's marked with blue and yellow lines. I think/ hope that you will find them,you will understand that we have two different AAM's on the pic.
Again, photo was taken in 2018 in Vympel.

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About the launch weight of the R-37M or Izd 610M ,yes ,ROE 'said' it is 510kgs but is it right ? Launch weight of the old R-33/Izd 410 is about 500kgs, of R-33S/Izd 520 is about 520kgs, then of only test K-37 or Izd 610 was about 600kgs.R-37M is the Russian modified version of the old Soviet K-37 where e.g. only radar seeker 9B1103M-350 is 3 times lighter then old radar seeker 9B1388 in K-37 ( 13 kgs vs 39 kgs ) ,then warhead ( 60kgs) is the same. Both AAM's has the same body diameter ,old K-37 is little bit longer .So my question is, where almost 100 kgs disappeared ?

About RVV-AE ( R-77 or export R-77E ) and RVV-SD ( R-77-1/L and export R-77-1EL), yes , you were right. In this pic we can see differences beetwen them in the arsenal of the PLAAF. Photo taken in Jan 2018. PLAAF got R-77-1EL together with Su-35.

 

[Squirrel]

«Армия-2023». РВВ-МД2

В соответствии с распространенной в преддверии форума «Армия-2023» информацией, заранее стало известно о том, что будет представлена новая управляемая авиаракета класса «воздух-возду…

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Saw this article with images of the new rvv-md2/r-74m2. Looks pretty awesome. Over at russiadefenseforum they were translating some of the info from the brochure. Here are some pics from the article above.

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Germanium (black color ) made IRST senzor dome ? So its heat seeker (теплопеленгатор) works in LWIR-band ( 8µm-14µm) ?

 

[Squirrel]

What we know about the radar seekers for the AAM's that are planned for the Su-57 ? AAM's like Product 171-1 ,then 180,270,300M and 810 have radar seekers. Products 750 and 760 have passive IR seekers of course.

Active radar seeker 9B1103M has three versions : 9B-1103M-150 Colibry, 9B1103M-200 Progress and 9B1103M-350 Shayba. 9B1103M-200 ( PA/PS ) is part of the Product 170-1 (R-77-1/L) and 9B1103M-350 is part of the Product 610M or R-37M.

What we have here ?



From left to right ... we have 9B1348E that is part of the R-77E ( Product 190) ,only for export. Works only in X-band. Then there is 9B1103M-350 for the R-37M, it works in X and Ku-band. I'm not sure for this 9B1103M-150 ,which AAM or maybe SAM is part of? Then we have those 9B1103M-200PA/PS as part of the R-77-1/L. Works in X and Ku-band too.

Agat New Generation of Active Radar Homing Heads | PDF | Radar | Missile

The document discusses the development of new generations of active radar homing heads by the Moscow Agat Research Institute. It describes an upgraded 9B-1103M homing head that has improved performance over previous models. The institute is now developing a new high-performance digital active...

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If I'm right,AAM's Products 171-1, 180 and 270 have the same diameter ( 200mm) ,so there must be some new active radar seeker ( maybe based on AESA) with antenna diameter of 200mm.There is very little info about that after so many years.Also about the radar seeker for the Product 810.

There are two new active radar seekers 9B1103M1 and M2 with antenna diameters 150mm and 100mm.

АРГС 9Б-1103М1 и 9Б-1103М2 МНИИ «Агат»

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I suppose that maybe this new 9B1103M2 is part of the Product 300M ( as anti-AAM/SAM missile).