Covid-19 Vaccine - Where, How & Costs

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Out of more than 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July 2021, only 256 occurred after two doses.

They were mostly people at very high risk from illness from Covid-19.
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"Breakthrough" deaths tend to happen in the most vulnerable, men and those with weakened immune systems, with the average age being 84.

But overall numbers were very small - they accounted for only 0.5% of all deaths from Covid-19 over the first six months of the year.
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Among those who died after two doses, 13% were immunocompromised, 61% were male and more than 75% were clinically extremely vulnerable.

In the UK, 80% of people aged 16 and over have had two doses and nearly 90% have had one dose.

Since vaccinations were offered to priority, high-risk groups first - as advised by the UK's vaccine advisory body - comparing the number of deaths in vaccinated and unvaccinated groups over time is not useful.

As more and more people are vaccinated, the numbers of fully vaccinated people infected with Covid who then die from it will also grow - although Covid deaths are much lower now than they were before vaccines.
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Covid deaths rare among fully vaccinated - ONS https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58545548

This is an updated version with more stats of the article I posted earlier.
 
The hugely complex job of projecting the future of the pandemic.

www.wired.com

Why It’s So Hard to Predict Where the Pandemic Is Headed Next

Human behavior has changed along with the virus and public health measures to contain it. For modelers, it’s a curveball.
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Also how much is Israel a canary in the coal mine when it comes to Covid amongst the vaccinated. As ever the story is very complex and impacted by multiple factors.

qz.com

The Covid spike in highly vaccinated Israel holds grim omens for other economies

Israel's vaccination drive was a shining model. But its late-summer Covid-19 spike holds reasons for other countries to worry about coronavirus surges in their own near futures.
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Flyaway said:
The hugely complex job of projecting the future of the pandemic.

www.wired.com

Why It’s So Hard to Predict Where the Pandemic Is Headed Next

Human behavior has changed along with the virus and public health measures to contain it. For modelers, it’s a curveball.
www.wired.com www.wired.com
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Not an expert but I find this impossible to believe. Early on, the known settings were identified. Or, stay away from pack them in like sardines situations. Stay away from bars. Stay away from restaurants. And large events where people are, or can be, standing nearly shoulder to shoulder. Holidays? Fer cryin' out loud. We've gone through a year and a half of holidays and people have behaved extremely predictably. Some store owners, desperate to stay open, either closed or tried to reopen only to get shut down again shortly after. In the U.S., as of today, restaurants are struggling because people drove all over the place - regardless of advisories from the CDC to the contrary - and regardless of the increased risk from the current variant. Over the Labor Day weekend, millions of people traveled. Millions.

Bottom line? The behavior of most people has been demonstrated. The DATA is there. And now there is still some "complexity"? Where? What have people done that they have not already done? Not everyone, even in high risk groups, gets a flu shot every year.
 
Two more US prominent anti-vaxxers have paid the ultimate price.

www.yahoo.com

Veronica Wolski, QAnon supporter at center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of COVID-related pneumonia at Chicago hospital

Veronica Wolski, the QAnon adherent whose recent hospitalization made her a cause celebre for the controversial medication ivermectin, died in the intensive care unit of Amita Health Resurrection Medical Center early Monday, a hospital spokeswoman said. She was 64. Wolski’s cause of death was...
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www.yahoo.com

Right-Wing Anti-Vax Radio Host Who Mocked AIDS Victims Dies Of COVID-19

Bob Enyart fought mask mandates and refused the vaccine.
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Flyaway said:
edwest2 said:
www.bbc.com

Boris Johnson warns Covid risk remains as he unveils England's winter plan

But he says the UK is better placed to tackle the disease as he outlines England's winter plan.
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Shouldn’t mandatory face masks be in plan a, not plan b.
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With all due respect to national governments and health authorities, the primary problem is increasing pressure from businesses. "We're losing money here." Whether it's England or Australia or the U.S., the ' blink and you missed it' stories point out that we're losing billions of Pounds/Dollars and we need the average person back out in our stores or venues spending money. Now. Today. Imagine cruise lines suing state governments for access to ports. It happened.

Why did the NHS get criticized for vaccine passports? Why were they viewed as "problematic"? Apparently, checking IDs for underaged people is not problematic. But ask them for their vaccine status? Well, a few might turn away and NOT spend any money.
 
Flyaway said:
Two more US prominent anti-vaxxers have paid the ultimate price.

www.yahoo.com

Veronica Wolski, QAnon supporter at center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of COVID-related pneumonia at Chicago hospital

Veronica Wolski, the QAnon adherent whose recent hospitalization made her a cause celebre for the controversial medication ivermectin, died in the intensive care unit of Amita Health Resurrection Medical Center early Monday, a hospital spokeswoman said. She was 64. Wolski’s cause of death was...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

www.yahoo.com

Right-Wing Anti-Vax Radio Host Who Mocked AIDS Victims Dies Of COVID-19

Bob Enyart fought mask mandates and refused the vaccine.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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What "like Smiley" should I put there, I have no idea. The SAD or the LOL one ? I'm torn...

Best part was this

For more than a week, her supporters besieged Resurrection with demands that Wolski be given ivermectin. The medication is typically used to treat diseases caused by parasitic worms
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Well indeed they were right. Use of "parasitic worms" is quite appropriate to treat Qanon supporters... except as a term rather than a cure.
LMAO
 
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I'm not the only one drawing list of dead antivax...

www.vanityfair.com

Anti-Vax Radio Hosts Keep Dying From COVID

Will the passing of on-air opponents of pandemic mitigation efforts have any effect on their audiences?
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I put "antivax""dead" on Google search - and the death toll is clearly mounting. So is the absolute idiocy and stubborness up to the very last breath...
 
Wait for the tinfoil hatters to start saying they were assassinated (I work on the assumption that in the race to the bottom, there is no finish line).
 
www.theguardian.com

Covid teams can vaccinate pupils against parents’ wishes, schools told

Guidelines say health staff can decide whether children receive jab without parental consent, as headteachers fear protests
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TLDR, School Age Immunisation Service medics (who already deliver other vaccines in schools) can vaccinate any 12-15yo child who wants it if they're judged to have Gillick Competence (basically, to understand what they're asking for), no matter what their parents say. That's pretty much what Gillick Competence exists for in law, so good!
 
In the rush to get businesses back open, and dollars flowing, Broadway reopens.

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Broadway Reopening Hits High Gear With ‘Hamilton,’ ‘The Lion King,’ ‘Wicked’ and More

Five shows began performances on the same night, as the latest step in reviving Broadway following the prolonged shutdown from COVID-19.
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Meanwhile, owners and managers of football teams are expecting packed stadiums as the NFL season starts. That's right -- PACKED stadiums, as in we NEED the money... And considering what the average NFL player gets paid, it appears they do. Meanwhile, a request to any billionaires out there: Could you send me 100 million dollars? I think I could scrape by on that. Real money only. NO BITCOIN. Will consider gold bars.
 
I don't understand what I view as a somewhat ghoulish fascination with so-called """"anti-vaxxers"""". I mean, nothing, as in nothing, is being done about them. Nothing. So when they die, what? "There was great rejoicing?" Seriously?
 
And surprising no one that her claims were false.
PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad (Reuters) - Trinidad and Tobago Health Minister Terrence Deyalsingh on Wednesday criticized as “false” the claim by American rapper Nicki Minaj that a person on the Caribbean island suffered swollen testicles after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.
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Nicki Minaj's COVID-19 vaccine 'swollen testicles' claim is false, says Trinidad health minister

Trinidad and Tobago Health Minister Terrence Deyalsingh on Wednesday criticized as "false" the claim by American rapper Nicki Minaj that a person on the Caribbean island suffered swollen testicles after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.
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edwest2 said:
I don't understand what I view as a somewhat ghoulish fascination with so-called """"anti-vaxxers"""". I mean, nothing, as in nothing, is being done about them. Nothing. So when they die, what? "There was great rejoicing?" Seriously?
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Nope. Let me reassure you: Bigard and Lalanne are alive, and well, thank you. I was pocking fun at a) their 180 degree faceturn and b) the immediate consequences: the people they had hysterized turning against them.
 
So apparently Nicki Minaj just wants to "do more research" before having the vaccine.

Because apparently we can't trust the opinion of vaccine researchers, immunologists, doctors etc; what this subject really needs is a rapper to get to the bottom of things.
 
The funniest part to me was when the alleged bride in the story declined to further go into it and canceled the marriage!

Romance in hip hop music is dead...
 
Or this was just another American cheap publicity stunt. The words rap and music should never appear in the same sentence. For the record...
 
But bullying the unvaccinated into getting their shots isn’t going to work in the long run.

Yes, vaccine mandates increase vaccination rates. The White House reported 4 million more first doses in August than in July, after Biden announced his first mandate, for federal workers. And the number of shots administered daily jumped 80 percent from mid-July to the end of August. But the way the mandates are being presented is driving a wedge between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. If the goal is to inoculate enough people to reach herd immunity, this approach may eventually backfire.

“If you get into these scenarios where you start pitting one group against another, you create tension, you create resistance,” says Simon Bacon, a behavioral scientist at Concordia University, in Montreal. “What you really need to do is totally deflate that.”
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www.theatlantic.com

Stop Calling It a ‘Pandemic of the Unvaccinated’

Sure, it may be true. But that doesn’t mean it’s productive.
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Interestingly it seems there is roughly 8% of the US population that is regarded as unreachable as hardline anti-vaxxers and it’s the other 17% of the 25% that are unvaccinated that they are trying to reach as more on the fence.
PARIS (Reuters) - Hospitals, care homes and health centres have suspended around 3,000 workers across France for failing to comply with mandatory COVID vaccination, the government said on Thursday, as countries around Europe weigh how far to go to combat the pandemic here.
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France suspends 3,000 health staff as Europe targets vaccine refusal

Hospitals, care homes and health centres have suspended around 3,000 workers across France for failing to comply with mandatory COVID vaccination, the government said on Thursday, as countries around Europe weigh how far to go to combat the pandemic https://www.reuters.com...
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