Will the new engines make the weight capacity for the B52 increase or will it be the same
The main advantage of the new engines is better efficiency and engines that are currently in production and supported. Apparently, all of the spares from the -141's are gone and the TF-33's aren't easily supportable these days. The more efficient engines definitely reduce the need for tankers. Stand-off is still the game for peer adversaries, but permissive environments will still allow for direct weapons such as GBU-12's, 38's and the like.
 
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So that's not an actual range, but you can probably deduce it from published figures for the B-52H. And of course, that was a target from before the final selection, so it could change specific to the F130. But any way you slice it, if they get even close to a 40% range increase, that's a huge relief to the tanker force.

The main advantage of the new engines is better efficiency and engines that are currently in production and supported. Apparently, all of the spares from the -141's are gone and the TF-33's aren't easily supportable these days. The more efficient engines definitely reduce the need for tankers. Stand-off is still the game for peer advocacies, but permissive environments will still allow for direct weapons such as GBU-12's, 38's and the like.
Looking at the B-52H standard aircraft characteristics, with a bomb load of around 35 thousand pounds (internal I presume, which is enough to cover eight 4000 pound class weapons), the plane has a combat radius of around 3500 nautical miles, which looks to be without inflight refueling. A 40% range improvement would add 1400nm to that, for pretty close to 5000 miles. Add a 1500-2000nm cruise missile, and targets potentially up to 7000nm away could be attacked without refueling while returning to the base of origin.

External carriage would reduce that. Potentially by quite a bit, as the G with 8 SRAMs and 12 ALCMs had a radius of just over 1000nm, but that was for a low altitude mission, not high. Low with external stores looks to have around 60% of the radius of low with only internal carriage. Assuming that relationship holds for high altitudes, for the new engines that would translate to a 3000nm radius for a 20 cruise missile loadout. Add in the range of the missile to get the distance from the target without refueling while returning to land where the bomber took off.
 
Looking at the B-52H standard aircraft characteristics, with a bomb load of around 35 thousand pounds (internal I presume, which is enough to cover eight 4000 pound class weapons), the plane has a combat radius of around 3500 nautical miles, which looks to be without inflight refueling. A 40% range improvement would add 1400nm to that, for pretty close to 5000 miles. Add a 1500-2000nm cruise missile, and targets potentially up to 7000nm away could be attacked without refueling while returning to the base of origin.

External carriage would reduce that. Potentially by quite a bit, as the G with 8 SRAMs and 12 ALCMs had a radius of just over 1000nm, but that was for a low altitude mission, not high. Low with external stores looks to have around 60% of the radius of low with only internal carriage. Assuming that relationship holds for high altitudes, for the new engines that would translate to a 3000nm radius for a 20 cruise missile loadout. Add in the range of the missile to get the distance from the target without refueling while returning to land where the bomber took off.
Range is highly dependent on the payload and drag index of the payload. The fuel burn greatly depends on what and how much is on the HSAB's. We used some rules of thumb in test but would mission plan from the performance annex to determine exactly how much gas to use for the mission and/or how much gas to get from the tanker.
 

I have to agree that from a practical standpoint there are better things to spend money on right now. This is a non issue until there are enough LRSO in inventory to make more delivery platforms necessary, though I think the US will get to that point in the early 2030s.

EDIT: although on second thought, it also seems likely a percentage of the B-52 force will always need to be available for conventional weapons delivery and that not all crews will be trained for nuclear delivery anyway. It is probably best to let the USAF do this when and if they want to rather than have Congress force the issue just to send political messages to little effect.
 
Does this not dpnd on the delivery method and the payload? I doubt they are talking freefall weapons in all fairness.
 
Does this not dpnd on the delivery method and the payload? I doubt they are talking freefall weapons in all fairness.

B-52 is not even cleared for free fall any more. AGM-86 is the only game in town, with around 250 estimated active at Minot and a similar number in storage at Kirtland. It is to be replaced by AGM-181 which is planned to have a production run of ~1000.
 
1000 AGM-181s? I thought that they would have a much larger production run than that Josh_TN? Nearer 2000.

A thousand is the number I saw in a couple articles. Of course such programs might grow with the threat. I suspect the limiting factor is how many W-80 warheads are available for refurbishment to W-80 mod 4. There were something like 1500 made for AGM-86, and more for Tomahawk. I presume the components were saved since it is one of only a half dozen types of warhead still in active service.
 
Hmm what about JASSM-ER? They should be upgraded for it in mid 2010s
 
A thousand is the number I saw in a couple articles. Of course such programs might grow with the threat. I suspect the limiting factor is how many W-80 warheads are available for refurbishment to W-80 mod 4. There were something like 1500 made for AGM-86, and more for Tomahawk. I presume the components were saved since it is one of only a half dozen types of warhead still in active service.
There were 1,700 AGM-86Bs made out of 4,000 planned! Page 106:

Hmm what about JASSM-ER? They should be upgraded for it in mid 2010s
JASSM-XR is more relevant, that's the CALCM replacement.
 
JASSM-XR is more relevant, that's the CALCM replacement.

Conventional cruise missiles have completely different requirements and guidance compared to strategic nuclear weapons. You could use the JASSM aero shell and engine as the basis for a weapon (and presumably that was what was submitted for the LRSO competition), but everything else would be designed from scratch.
 
Conventional cruise missiles have completely different requirements and guidance compared to strategic nuclear weapons. You could use the JASSM aero shell and engine as the basis for a weapon (and presumably that was what was submitted for the LRSO competition), but everything else would be designed from scratch.
Oh, we were still talking nuclear stuff. I was talking about just as a CALCM for the B-52J.
 
I mean, we are talking about 1960s ergonomics and modern pilots are ~4" taller on average...
@Scott Kenny that may be more in reference to the ECS than the seats, although Lord knows all those steam gauges, knobs and switches really challenged the glass cockpit babies ;).

All joking aside, an upgraded ECS that keeps both decks happy would be a major improvement. Let's not forget the original ECS primarily is there to keep the avionics from melting, crew was secondary.
 
I wonder if the re-engine upgrade along with new avionics and glass-cockpit for the upcoming B-52J will include the ability to also carry nuclear-weapons again? From Defense Updates:


Congress is setting the stage to restore nuclear capabilities to approximately 30 B-52H Stratofortress bombers. These bombers had previously been modified to carry only conventional munitions under the New START arms control treaty restrictions with Russia.
Both the Senate and House defense policy bills for fiscal 2025 mandate that the US Air Force reintegrate these bombers into the nuclear triad, nearly a decade after their nuclear capabilities were removed to comply with the treaty's limits. The current New START treaty is scheduled to expire in February 2026.
According to the House bill, the Air Force must begin reconverting the bombers within a month after the treaty expires and complete the restoration of their nuclear capabilities by 2029.
In this video, Defense Updates analyzes why US Congress is working to rearm 30 B-52H Stratofortress bombers with nukes?
Chapters:
00:11 INTRODUCTION
01:57 B-52H BOMBER
 
We can only wait and see NMaude if the B-52J gets re-wired to carry nuclear capable cruise missiles again, it was rather stupid to remove that capability in the first place. I would think it would be possible to re-wire the B-52Hs as they go through the updates to B-52Js.
 
Isn´t there any confusions? Unless I have missed something, gravity launched nuclear bombs usage is phased out, not the nuclear missiles.

"The B-52 remains the premier stand-off weapons platform utilizing the air-launched cruise missile as the main nuclear deterrent. While B61s and B83s are no longer equipped on the B-52, the weapons remain in the [B-2 Spirit] inventory," he added.

Eventually, the LRSO -- a nuclear cruise missile that provides an air-launched capability as part of the nuclear triad -- will replace the AGM-86B ALCM, developed in the early 1980s.

 
Isn´t there any confusions? Unless I have missed something, gravity launched nuclear bombs usage is phased out, not the nuclear missiles.




No, it's as stated, a portion of the B-52H fleet (30 airframes) was converted to conventional roles only in 2015 to comply with New START:

 
We can only wait and see NMaude if the B-52J gets re-wired to carry nuclear capable cruise missiles again, it was rather stupid to remove that capability in the first place. I would think it would be possible to re-wire the B-52Hs as they go through the updates to B-52Js.
Its not stupid it was literally part of an international treaty. With the treaty ending in 2 years, they can be rewired.
 
Isn´t there any confusions? Unless I have missed something, gravity launched nuclear bombs usage is phased out, not the nuclear missiles.
Nope, they're still equipped on B-2s as part of the strategic arsenal - 288 in total. Many more on tactical aircraft.

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I think he meant gravity bombs are phased out on B-52s, which is true. B-2s retain B-61/83 capability.

All BUFFs are being convertible the J standard, but that seems unconnected to AGM-86 capability (as noted, 30 airframes were denuclearized as part of New START). Though perhaps the J upgrade does incorporate the LRSO; I have not heard how or when that will be integrated.
 
Yes that exactly what I was thinking. I completely forgot about the 30 denuclearized B-52. Thanks all.

They would probably stay that way IMO. There is probably more flexibility having both options when even AMARG also host conventional airframe,
 
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I would think it would be possible to re-wire the B-52Hs as they go through the updates to B-52Js.

It makes sense to have their nuclear capability restored by done when they under the upgrade to the B-52J.
 
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I wonder when the YB-52J prototype will fly?

On another note I wonder if NASA will take advantage of this programme to get itself one or two NB-52Hs or NB-52Js?
 
I wonder when the YB-52J prototype will fly?

On another note I wonder if NASA will take advantage of this programme to get itself one or two NB-52Hs or NB-52Js?
NASA doesn't have any B-52s anymore. Don't see any reason why this would change that.
 
Who was going to pay for doing the digitizing? Boeing isn't going to incur the cost, and you're also assuming that all of the drawings still exist and are easily to hand. It would be
a large and expensive project to track down all of that old data and convert it to digital
formats. It ain't a matter of just feeding a drawing into a scanner.

In addition to the physical drawings, there's also the vast quantities of supporting documentation, some of which may be moldering away in archives, being nibbled by mice and eaten by termites, some of which is rotting in landfills, and some of which exists only in the form of badly-reproduced microfilm.
 
I wonder when the YB-52J prototype will fly?

On another note I wonder if NASA will take advantage of this programme to get itself one or two NB-52Hs or NB-52Js?
It's always risky to predict the future, but NASA doesn't seem to have any programs where they would need something like a B-52; its usable internal volume is minuscule, its payload weight isn't that great, and its performance envelope isn't significantly better than dozens of commercial aircraft.
 
NASA doesn't have any B-52s anymore. Don't see any reason why this would change that.
Doesn’t NASA still have the B-52H that replaced their early B-52 (A or B) used for the X-15 launches and others? The H model would have just as much payload capability as a J model, and can fly only ~ 8000 miles unrefueled.
 

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