Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey - Development and Proposed Variants

[AeroFranz]

Thanks, Yasotay, I can think of a couple of reasons why that would make more sense than wing pods. You do lose the use of the rear ramp, but you might need to put a large palletized fuel tank in the cargo hold anyway.
Is the V-22 wing wired for stores or plumbed at all?

 

[Stargazer]

Thanks, Yasotay, I can think of a couple of reasons why that would make more sense than wing pods. You do lose the use of the rear ramp, but you might need to put a large palletized fuel tank in the cargo hold anyway.
Is the V-22 wing wired for stores or plumbed at all?

There seems to be space in the wings ahead of the engines' gearing, but that's not clearly identified on the diagrams. I'd suspect some fuel tanks are possible, but have no info to support it.

 

[yasotay]

Gents, if you go to the Bell Helicopter Website, military aircraft, V-22 there is a very nice .pdf information booklet on the V-22. On the last page there is a very small picture of V-22 doing the refuel mission as well as a multitude of other tasks.

While there is significant plubing in the wings for fuel, I do not believe they have established any underwing hardpoints on the V-22. It is a very 'dynamic' area already.

 

[AeroFranz]

Excellent!
Funny, I've had that booklet in my files, but never saw the picture. Does anyone recognize the vehicle being refueled? is that some sort of non-descriptive UAV?

Regarding wing stores, I think you are right. Not the best of places to put them. Directly in the propwash, limited in length in the front and requiring special care to avoid the trailing edge flap.
Kind of limiting though...sooner or later someone's going to want to hang equipment on a V-22.

 

[AeroFranz]

Of course i had to find the answer to my question when i wasn't looking for it...here's two pictures from an AIAA paper "V-22 variants - Joint Service force multipliers" AIAA-1991-3077.

Oh, it also says you could put wing tanks or use the aft part of the sponsons for fuel stowage

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Greetings All -

A recent donation to the Museum had a 1983/84 Bell Helicopter Textron Reference Guide which included the following pages on the Bell-Boeing JVX.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[dansew]

Just a note about the 609, and "pre-design" ideas for it, there is a project called "Rotormast.com" that has developed an RC model of the XV-22.

It has existed for about 5 years, and has produced a high dollar flight model, which has an electronic mixing integrated circuit for control functions, ( like during transition from Helicopter mode to Airplane mode ).

The thing I find interesting about the model is that there are no moving control surfaces, no rudder, no aileron, no elevator. Not sure about flaps, could be they use flaps to reduce wing area during hover, to reduce downwash effect.

Now the 609 has no rudder, i didn't know this until an Air Force pilot friend told me.

The absence of controls would reduce weight, drag, and a lot of other advantages, I believe this might be seen on future versions of tilt rotor aircraft.

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Greetings All -

Timely - I think this is the artwork Yasotay was referring to:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KV-22-Fleet-Aerial-Refueler-Print-Bell-Boeing-Tiltrotor-/360318034809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e4a0e379

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[fightingirish]

An V-22 AEW proposal from 2007 to 2009, with Thales Cerberus radar like as on the Royal Navy Merlin AEW helicopter concept.

Sources:
Ares - Boeing Gives A TOSS
Flight Global - US Navy seeks demonstration of TOSS radar on V-22 Osprey

 

[Triton]

Has anyone seen decent artwork for the SV-22 anti-submarine warfare variant that would have been operated by the United States Navy?

 

[fightingirish]

In the German book "Kipprotorflugzeuge" by the author and forum member Alexander Lüdeke (luedo34) there is a picture of an add from the 80's showing an "SV-22" hunting a Typhoon class submarine.
See also: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8429.msg74890.html#msg74890

 

[Jemiba]

You can even buy a model of the SV-22 (from http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=143287)
and a nice colour profile (see below) can be found here :http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8955
And of course the add shown in Alexander Lüdekes book, mentioned by fightingirish. Posted a cutout from that
add, although it doesn't give much information about the SV-22, I'm afraid.

 

[fightingirish]

Other missions include dedicated medical evacuation with personnel being treated in flight as well as long-range SAR with the aircraft featuring an extended nose fitted with an EO/IR turret.

Source: ROTORHUB - Dubai Airshow 2011: Bell-Boeing pitches the Osprey to GCC nations


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V-22 SAR Mockup for Canada

Source:
Photos – A Canadian V-22 Osprey – Inside and Outside the Aircraft Being Pitched for FWSAR

 

[Triton]

Source:
http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=8375.msg109527#msg109527

"360-Degree Gatling Gun in Works for USAF CV-22"
by Kris Osborn
Published: 8 Apr 23:10 EDT (19:10 GMT) 2008

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3470341&c=AIR&s=TOP

U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command is planning to field a CV-22 Osprey aircraft armed with a first-of-its-kind, remote-operated M134 7.62mm Gatling gun able to lower beneath the aircraft and fire at targets in any direction, providing a 360-degree attack capability, BAE officials said April 8.

The BAE-built weapon, called the Remote Guardian System, could also be picked up by the Marine Corps for use on its growing fleet of V-22 Ospreys.

The first major flight test of the RGS is scheduled for the end of May at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla.

The RGS' Dillon Aero M134 fires 3,000 rounds a minute out to a maximum range of 1,000 meters. At the same time, the RGS is built to accommodate a .50-cal machine gun or 40mm grenade launcher. The U.S. Army is also talking to BAE about the RGS, BAE officials said.

"It has applications for airborne fixed wing, UAS [and] rotary wing. It has application in the maritime environment, specifically for fast boats. On top of that it also has applications on the ground," said David Adamiak, BAE business development manager.

In fact, at a recent live-fire test for the RGS, the gun was mounted on a Humvee turret, Adamiak said.

=== ~~~ ===

BAE Systems Remote Guardian System brochure:
http://www.eis.na.baesystems.com/media_resources/pdf/remote_guardian_system.pdf

Sources:
http://www.defensereview.com/bae-remote-guardian-system-rgs-remotely-operated-gun-turret/
http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/01/the-future-of-the-raf-11-istar-05-manned-airborne-istar/

 

[Triton]

Source:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/89698817/v22-brief#download

 

[AeroFranz]

Good stuff, Triton.

 

[Jemiba]

The remote guardian system reminds me of the doubts expressed here (posts 22 to 24):
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3729.msg101896.html#msg101896

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of SV-22.

 

[yasotay]

MV-22 dressed up for the DC crowd. ;D

 

[Stargazer]

Possibly the closest we'll ever get to what a VV-22 would have looked like... :

 

[Triton]

British Aerospace Bell Boeing V-22 Tiltrotor decal found on eBay.

Source:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRITISH-AEROSPACE-BELL-BOEING-TILT-ROTOR-70s-AIRLINE-STICKER-EXTREMELY-RARE-/380561386530?pt=UK_Collectables_Aeronautica_MJ&hash=item589b39ec22

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Bell-Boeing JVX with wings folded.


Air International 9/1982

 

[Stargazer]

Re: title of this topic / contents of this topic. What's the idea?

 

[fightingirish]

I've come across a NDIA document for a proposed system for the V-22. (Barton, V., De Pasqual, E., J., "Defensive Armament for the V-22 Selection, Integration and Development", NDIA, 2002.)


The study explains a nose mounted turret for the MV-22 that is controlled from the cocpit via a helmet tracker like the gun control system in AH-64 Apache.


The helmet embedded gun control is the best approach for v-22. I believe it will eliminate the motion sickness problem that the Remote Guardian operator suffers. Motion sickness appears when you are not sitting facing forward and when you are looking at a display below your eye level constantly.


The nose turret is equipped with a three barrel 12.7mm gatling type gun, which is far more lethal and longer reaching than the Remote Guardian's 7.62mm

Sources:
www.warfaretech.blogspot.de/2014/03/v-22-weapon-system-how-it-should-be.html
www.snafu-solomon.blogspot.de/2014/05/mv-22-gunship.html
http://warfaretech.blogspot.de/2014/12/v-22-osprey-firing-missile.html
Barton, V., De Pasqual, E., J., "Defensive Armament for the V-22 Selection, Integration and Development", NDIA, 2002.

 

[fightingirish]

The U.S. Special Operations Command is working towards adding a forward-firing gun to its CV-22 fleet by end of this year.
Recent experience in South Sudan, whereby three CV-22s where shot up and Marines injured, exposed a need to add more amour protection to the Osprey.
Lt. Col. John DiSebastian, SOCOM’s C-130 and CV-22 program director, said the upgrade will be done in less than 140 days.

Link: AirForceTimes- SOCOM soon getting more capable, deadlier Ospreys and C-130s

 

[Stargazer]

"Deadlier Ospreys"?

Some top brass must have been watching too much Avatar and it gave 'em ideas...

 

[yasotay]

The nose gun has been part of the V-22 program for a long time. Cost and complexity had it remain a desired upgrade for a long time. Recall the USMC investigated a belly mounted mini-gun as an option.

 

[TomS]

Not just investigated, fielded. Results were mixed, at best.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20100628/NEWS/6280310/Ospreys-leave-new-belly-gun-dust

I'm not sure if they're talking about an actual chin turret for the CV-22 or just another try with this belly gun. It was some times described as a forward-firing gun back in the day.

 

[yasotay]

Not just investigated, fielded. Results were mixed, at best.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20100628/NEWS/6280310/Ospreys-leave-new-belly-gun-dust

I'm not sure if they're talking about an actual chin turret for the CV-22 or just another try with this belly gun. It was some times described as a forward-firing gun back in the day.

Mixed results is why I used "investigated". I do not think the USMC will go full rate production with the system. I agree that a chin gun would likely be forward firing with less than the full 180° frontal arch achievable.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=ja8HagveLRQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=popular+science+1986&hl=en&sa=X&ei=O64BVLK3K83maLK8gcgK&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=popular%20science%201986&f=false

 

[fightingirish]

Has anyone seen decent artwork for the SV-22 anti-submarine warfare variant that would have been operated by the United States Navy?

2 drawings featured in the book "Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey (An Aeroguide Special)" by Anthony M. Thornborough, Linewrights Ltd. 1990, ISBN: 0946958378

• Bell - Boeing HV-22 "CSAR"
• Bell - Boeing SV-22 "Anti-submarine warfare"

 

[Jemiba]

Interestingly, the SV-22 seems to have a nose radom here, not shown in other
depictions.

 

[fightingirish]

Yes, now that you say, it remind me very much of the nose radom on the Naval Apache Project. The third proposal had an APG-65 under the radom.

 

[F-14D]

Another SV-22 drawing, this one from a Bell-Boeing ad. Not very subtle, eh?

 

[fightingirish]

See #62

 

[marauder2048]

Another SV-22 drawing, this one from a Bell-Boeing ad. Not very subtle, eh?

At Last! The real reason the Russians retired the Typhoon class

 

[fightingirish]

Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey Demonstrates Forward-Firing Capability
The Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey successfully demonstrated its forward-firing capability at the United States Army Proving Ground in Yuma, Ariz. Initial design work for the forward fire capability began in mid-2013.
The rotorcraft itself was first deployed in 2007, and has achieved mission success in Afghanistan, the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean. The V-22 Osprey offers operators a range of mission capability including raids, casualty evacuation, tactical recovery of aircraft and personnel, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, and VIP transport.

Aviation Week & Space Technology December 8, 2014
Vol. 176 No. 43
As the U.S. Marine Corps pursues having both sensors and weapons on every aerial platform, the service has begun tests for arming the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor. Here, a V-22 fires a BAE Systems Advanced Precision-Kill Weapon System missile during trials at Yuma Proving Grounds, Arizona.

Sources:
http://www.aviationtoday.com/the-checklist/Bell-Boeing-V-22-Osprey-Demonstrates-Forward-Firing-Capability_83673.html
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.de/2014/12/bell-boeing-v-22-osprey-demonstrates.html (Pictures)
http://aviationweek.com/aviation-week-space-technology/2014-12-08
http://aviationweek.com/defense/osprey-fires-guided-rockets-and-missiles-new-trials

Edit:
http://youtu.be/4OYY5rthsH4

http://youtu.be/4OYY5rthsH4

Source: http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.de/2014/12/v-22-forward-firing-vid.html

 

[yasotay]

Wow! That has to be one of the most stable platforms I have seen.

 

[bobbymike]

Off topic but there is a Ralph Peters book 'War In 2020' where V-22 were armed with railguns.

 

[Stargazer]

I could be wrong, but wasn't the original "MV-22" variant for the USMC supposed to be armed?