Shenyang / Chengdu "6th Gen" Aircraft - News and Analysis

[Maro.Kyo]

Never actually flew without a tail. That's an artistic impression. As Dynoman noted, it only flew quasi-tailless.

 

[Hyperwarp]

one more...

 

[Acatomic]

One more:

 

[Deino]

One more:

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The full one:

 

[SUPER=BUG]

To be honest, I'm not quite sure why they're so keen on sneaking up on some secrets.

 

[SUPER=BUG]

Theoretically, these mosaics can be removed by other methods.

 

[VTOLicious]

The full one:

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Apparently the leading edge curves downward near the nose. I assumed the wing's leading edge was a straight line all the way to the tip of the nose. Also, the side facing IRST-windows (?) are apparent on top of the nose as well.

Edit: Higher resolution image inserted

 

[VTOLicious]

I've played around with Solidworks motion study a bit... Unfortunately the upload of the animated GIF doesn't work

 

[what_is_that]

Apologies if someone has already made this observation. I read a mention in another thread about canards and other devices being potentially used to help with control authority in an engine-out situation on a tailless aircraft. It got me to wondering if maybe the third engine was a mitigation here for that eventuality. I don't think it's the only, or primary driver, but it may have figured into the design.

 

[snne]

Apparently the leading edge curves downward near the nose. I assumed the wing's leading edge was a straight line all the way to the tip of the nose. Also, the side facing IRST-windows (?) are apparent on top of the nose as well.

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As part of your artistic impression, did you just copy paste the nose section from your Kaan(?) sketch?

 

[NMaude]

As part of your artistic impression, did you just copy paste the nose section from your Kaan(?) sketch?

It looks like it has had a nose-job.

 

[VTOLicious]

As part of your artistic impression, did you just copy paste the nose section from your Kaan(?) sketch?

I didn't. But the resemblance in side view is truly striking

 

[Manuducati]

Apologies if someone has already made this observation. I read a mention in another thread about canards and other devices being potentially used to help with control authority in an engine-out situation on a tailless aircraft. It got me to wondering if maybe the third engine was a mitigation here for that eventuality. I don't think it's the only, or primary driver, but it may have figured into the design.

Post in thread 'Shenyang / Chengdu "6th Gen" Aircraft - News and Analysis' https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...-aircraft-news-and-analysis.40872/post-744318

 

[VTOLicious]

I've played around with Solidworks motion study a bit... Unfortunately the upload of the animated GIF doesn't work

Yeah, upload of animated gif works now!

 

[TomcatViP]

I've played around with Solidworks motion study a bit... Unfortunately the upload of the animated GIF doesn't work

Save your gif as an mp4 or any other movie file and upload on YouTube

Notice that old version of Solidworks can't export mpeg or mp4 compatible with modern players but FLV or window player classic.

So Motion study to Mpeg - > Mpeg to mp4 - > upload or share the file

 

[VTOLicious]

Save your gif as an mp4 or any other movie file and upload on YouTube

Notice that old version of Solidworks can't export mpeg or mp4 compatible with modern player but FLV or window player classic.

So Motion study to Mpeg - > Mpeg to mp4 - > upload or share the file

Thx for the hint. Problem already solved!
Actually I saved the motion study as mp4, then convert it to gif to be able to share it directly in the post.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Apologies if someone has already made this observation. I read a mention in another thread about canards and other devices being potentially used to help with control authority in an engine-out situation on a tailless aircraft. It got me to wondering if maybe the third engine was a mitigation here for that eventuality. I don't think it's the only, or primary driver, but it may have figured into the design.

I don't believe so. I think that the third engine is partly because it's a huge 45+ ton aircraft, and partly because the onboard systems need a huge amount of electrical power generated.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Yeah, upload of animated gif works now!

View attachment 764187

Reminds of late 90s game intro.

 

[Airborne2001]

Reminds of late 90s game intro.

This is niche, but it made me think of Need For Madness/Radical Aces.

 

[Deino]

Apparently the leading edge curves downward near the nose. I assumed the wing's leading edge was a straight line all the way to the tip of the nose. Also, the side facing IRST-windows (?) are apparent on top of the nose as well.

Edit: Higher resolution image inserted
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Indeed ... you should modify your CG

 

[lancer21]

Looks like the J-36 flew again today. Hopefully we'll see some better pictures.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Sorry about image quality.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Better ones.

 

[lancer21]

A video showing the J-36 over the city.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904515256501604560

View: https://x.com/Hurin92/status/1904515256501604560/video/1

 

[lancer21]

J-36 landing in the sunset.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904520121692885299

View: https://x.com/i/web/status/1904520121692885299

 

[VTOLicious]

Indeed ... you should modify your CG

I know, but there are many unknowns and that's not the only inaccuracy of the model. I'll wait until more details come to light and then possibly rework the model from scratch. For now, it's good enough to get a better idea of the overall concept.

 

[Deino]

The J-36 coming back to CAC's base at Chengdu/Huangtianba concluding its third test flight today.

 

[Hyperwarp]

First top view? - Source

 

[Bounce]

 

[The K2]

First top view? - Source

It confirms the cockpit has a side-by-side seating arrangement with a support beam going down the center of the windscreen.

 

[bennyp]

we started with "surprisingly ugly" but with each reveal its starting to look "surprisingly attractive" in my eyes

 

[Hyperwarp]

From by78 at SDF - Video and screen caps of the landing - Source

 

[The K2]

we started with "surprisingly ugly" but with each reveal its starting to look "surprisingly attractive" in my eyes

Now we have to figure out if it uses a boom or probe and drogue system for aerial refueling.

 

[nefory]

Seksssy looking plane. What's the matter with that paint job, though.

 

[Josh_TN]

Now we have to figure out if it uses a boom or probe and drogue system for aerial refueling.

No one uses booms but USAF and IAF, to my knowledge. I cannot imagine any PLAAF fighter is being designed with a receptive when we have never seen a boom.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Now we have to figure out if it uses a boom or probe and drogue system for aerial refueling.

Pretty sure China uses probe and drogue.

Only USAF/NATO and Iran use booms.

 

[snne]

Now we have to figure out if it uses a boom or probe and drogue system for aerial refueling.

 

[Deino]

Can anyone confirm, the J-36 is in the air again right now? Just got a hint from a friend ....

 

[jeffb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904693910804586990

View: https://x.com/lfx160219/status/1904693910804586990

 

[TomcatViP]

So, for yaw control, they channel the Delta extrados vortex asymmetrically.

I would be surprised if that work well at high alpha (20deg+). This would confirm this is an attack plane. A serious one.

Notice also how fast it lands despite the large wing area. (and w/o apparently any much flaps extended)