Various Italian aircraft

[blackkite]

How about Macchi MC.77? Thanks for interesting question my great hesham-san.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/flyboat/mc77.html
"Odnomotornaâ monoplane flying boat MacchiMC. 77 was developed in 1933 engineer Mario Kastol′di like double schnellbomber and far Scout. By the end of the year after six months of walking back and forth across the Kastol′di authorities in Rome (for communication with the Commission, compelled to consider samples), the first order of the Ministry of the machine. All the same, the Ministerial Commission decided to make changes in already began to build the plane. The relevant preparatory work can be started only in March 1934, to be completed in December of the same year."
MC. 77
Wing span, m 17.78, Length 12.61 m, Height: 3.94 m, Wing area: 50.00 m2
Mass, kg, empty aircraft 3035, maximum takeoff 4835
Engine type 1 Isotta Fraschini Asso POA 750R, Power, HP 1 x 850
Maximum speed, km/h 280, Cruising speed, km/h, 244, Range, km 3000
Service ceiling, m 5100, Crew, pers 4
Armament: three 7.7 mm 0.303 machine guns, up to 500 kg of bombs

 

[hesham]

How about Macchi MC.77?
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/flyboat/mc77.html

I think it was also involved.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

also in 1937,there was a competition for medium bomber,led to develop CRDA Z-1007,the tenders ?.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! BR.20? SM.79?

 

[hesham]

Hi! BR.20? SM.79?

Maybe that's right for SM.79,but Br.20 was for 1934 competition.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
http://www.alternativefinland.com/1937-medium-bomber-ilmavoimat/

"In late 1934 a competition was held for a bomber with the following specifications: A speed of 210 mph) at 14,800 ft and 239 mph at 16,000 ft), a range: of 620 miles with a 2,600 lb bombload and a ceiling of 26,000 feet. The ceiling and range specifications were not met, but the speed was exceeded by almost all the machines entered. At the end of the competition, the “winners” were the Ca.135 (with 204 aircraft ordered), the Fiat BR.20 (204 aircraft ordered), the Piaggio P.32 (144 aircraft ordered), the Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 (96 ordered), the CANT Z.1007 (49 ordered), and the Piaggio P.32 (12 ordered). This array of aircraft was proof of the anarchy, clientelarism, and inefficiency that afflicted the Italian aviation industry. Worse was the continuous waste of resources by the Regia Aeronautica (Italian Royal Air Force). Orders were given for aircraft that were already obsolete. The winners of the competition were not always the best – the BR.20 was overlooked in favour of the SM.79, an aircraft which was not even entered in the competition."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RCxJq3AV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kngd49Awr74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuAtuHx3zVk

 

[blackkite]

Hi!Z.1007 Pictures.
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/cantrz1007aliitalia.html

 

[hesham]

I know those tenders in 1934,

and you can add CMASA BGA.

 

[blackkite]

Oh CMASA BGA!!
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/bga.html

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13013.0/all.html

CANT Z.1011
http://voprosik.net/bombardirovshhik-cant-z-1011/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Caproni Ca.308.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/ca308.html
"In 1934 year airline Ala Littoria announced a tender for multi-role aircraft that was supposed to operate on secondary lines. In France, these aircraft were called "colonial" and produced in large quantities. Italy extensive colonies did not have but one Libya she had had enough. The following conditions were stipulated in the specification: 6-seat passenger compartment to carry mail cargo, cruising speed of not less than 200 km/h, as well as easy and inexpensive to operate. The winner of the competition have recognized two aircraft-Breda Ba. 44 and Caproni Ca. 306, although the first was created on the basis of the British DH. 90 and its construction was a thing almost resolved. With regard to Ca. 306, it is designed from the ground up "Brigade under the direction of engineer Caesar Pallavicino. This aircraft was a monoplane with a low-set wing, fully closed cockpit and passenger cabin, and with fixed landing gear in excess. SA., two established engine row 306 Walter "Major Six" power 200 HP with dvuhlopastnymi screws. Double cabin of pilots was equipped with dual controls. In the passenger compartment space located along the wide side Windows in two rows. At the bottom of the fuselage there was a baggage compartment.
The project was submitted in October 1934 under the title "Tipo Aquilla", after which a contract was signed for the supply of 6 aircraft for domestic routes and 4 aircraft to Libya. The construction of Ca. 306 started in January 1935 year in January but changed their name to Pallavicino Ca. 308 named Borea "."
Ca.308 Borea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.308_Borea
"The basic design of the Ca.308 subsequently served as the basis for a large family of military aircraft, beginning with the Caproni Ca.309."
Ca.309
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.309
"The Caproni Ca.309 Ghibli was an Italian aircraft used in World War II. Its nickname Ghibli means Desert Wind and served as the inspiration for animation Studio Ghibli's name.The Caproni Ca.309 was designed by Cesare Pallavicino, based on the Ca.308 Borea transport."
Ca.310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.310
"The Caproni Ca.310 Libeccio (Italian: southwest wind) was an Italian monoplane, twin-engine reconnaissance aircraft used in World War II. Derived from the similar Ca.309"

Ca.306⇒Ca.308⇒Ca.309⇒Ca.310 series aircraft as follows

CA.310 : prototype aircraft, including the initial type. With Piaggio P.VIIC16 engine (460 hp) (161aircraft + export 20)
Ca.310 Idro : Civil seaplane with floats
CA.310bis : Improved Ca310 prototype with non-step glazed nose. Exports to Yugoslavia (12 aircraft)
CA.311 : Reconnaissance bomber, renovation of Ca310bis prototype (320 + Yugoslavia5 + Croatia 10)
Ca.311M : Modified Ca.311 with stepped wind shield.
CA.312 : Ca.310 base improved reconnaissance bomber with Piaggio P.XVIRC35 engine (650 hp) (two aircraft)
Ca.312bis : Ca,312 based model with non step windshield. Because of the outbreak of war all this model commissioned to Italian army (24 + Norway 15)
Ca.313 : Modified Ca.311 with Isotta-Fraschini Delta RC35 engine (including export aircraft, 271)
Ca.313F : Export-model Ca.313 for France. Only five aircraft were handed over to France
Ca.313G : Export-model Ca.313 for Germany. Production number is few.
Ca..313S : Export-model Ca.313 for Sweden (84 aircraft was made)
B.16: Sweden Imported Ca.313S bomber type designation
S.16: Imported Sweden Ca.313S maritime reconnaissance aircraft type designation
T.16: Sweden Imported Ca.313S torpedo bomber type designation
TB.16: Sweden Imported Ca.313S transport aircraft type designation
Ca.313R.P.B.2 : Ca.311 with stepped windshield only for Italian military
Ca.314A : Enhanced armed Ca..313R.P.B.2 convoy escorts and sea reconnaissance type, also called as CA.314-SC(73)
Ca.314B : CA.313R.P.B.2. torpedo bomber. It is known as CA.314-RA (80 aircraft)
Ca.314C : Ca..313R.P.B.2 with forward fixed machine gun ground attack types (254 aircraft)
Ca.316 : Seaplane reconnaissance Ca.313 with twin-float.(14 aircraft)
http://military.sakura.ne.jp/world/w_ca310.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjecKqhGJDU

 

[hesham]

In a competition for colonial and military transport aircraft,the tenders were;

Caproni Ca.151 and Savoia-Marchetti SM.82,no other are known ?.

 

[blackkite]

I say condolences sincerely to a catastrophe.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/23/europe/italy-earthquake/

I can't find any information about Ca.151. :-[

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Macchi MC.202D.(only one 202D was made.)
Radiator cover plate is interesting.　Are there any devices?
C.205 oil cooler shape is interesting,too. But C.206 and C.207 returned to have normal shape oil cooler?

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
http://pro-samolet.ru/aircraft-ww2-italy/fighters/999-fighter-reggiane-re2001-ariete

Re.2001 delta.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/re2001d.html
"Constant delays Motors DB-601/RA-1000 resulted in January 1942 onwards were ready only 43 serial and 10 pre-serial machines Reggiane Re. 2001. This dismal situation imposed on the Aviation Ministry thought set the glider Re. 2001 Italian invert dvenadcaticilindrovyj engine Isotta-Fraschini air cooling Delta RC 16/48. capacity of 840 HP. Manufacturing of prototype Reggiane Re 2001 Delta and series one hundred vehicles were ordered firm Caproni Taliedo instead of previously ordered Re. 2001.
The first flight of the prototype of Re. 2001 Delta (MM. 9920) flew September 12, 1942 Goda. During the test (held on November 2 from Guidonia airbase) the prototype reached a speed 523 km/h and at altitudes of 5600 m and scored 3000 metres height for 4 minutes 11 seconds, and 6000 m-for 10 minutes 30 seconds. 27 January, during tests at the rate of climb at an altitude of 7800 m overheated and stopped the engine and when I try to restart, it exploded. The pilot of the Beretta by parachute, escaped but the plane was completely destroyed. Aircraft recovery all deferred and, later, polnost′ûannulirovalo Aviation Ministry order for Re. 2001 Delta."

 

[eliteZelota]

Hello!
I wanted to know if some plans/blueprints or photos of the BR.20 C exist!
With some data, such as max speed, weigh etc...

 

[hesham]

Welcome aboard Elitezelota,

and you will find here,all Info you want;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_BR.20

 

[eliteZelota]

Welcome aboard Elitezelota,

and you will find here,all Info you want;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_BR.20

Thanks! But the problem is that there's nothing about the BR.20C on wikipedia, which had a tricycle undercarriage and a 37mm in the nose.
I am curious about this variant.

 

[hesham]

Hi EliteZelota,

some Info here;

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/br20.html

 

[eliteZelota]

Thanks again hesham!
Sadly there's nothing that I didn't already know.
I guess it's a pretty obscure variant, the first italian tricycle bomber!

 

[hesham]

OK EliteZelota,

I will search about more Info on it.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! CANT Z.1012.
Powerplant: 3 × Alfa-Romeo 110 4-cylinder air-cooled inverted inline, 90 kW (120 hp) each
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.1012

1/72 model.
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234987222-cant-z1012-172-full-scratchbuild/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! NARDI FN.305D-Ⅰand D-Ⅱ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nardi_FN.305
"Two long-range FN.305D variants were then produced powered by a 200 hp (149 kW) Walter Bora radial engine. The first FN.305D was a two-seater which was used on a record-breaking flight between Rome and Addis Ababa in March 1939 gaining a class record for covering the 4463.8 km (2,773,68 miles) at an average speed of 240 km/h (149 mph). The second FN.305D was a single-seater bought by Yugoslavia for an aborted attempt at a nonstop North Atlantic flight."
PDF file.
http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/bleneau/nardi305/nardi305.pdf

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&p=133426

 

[blackkite]

Hi CANSA FC.12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANSA_FC.12
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/other2/fc12.html
http://alternathistory.com/andrea-kurami-i-dzhankarlo-garello-italyanskie-pikirovshchiki-chast-2-italyanskie-pikirovshchiki-vto

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Macchi M.33 racer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHdaCSy2hU

 

[sgeorges4]

The C variant was produce or not?

 

[Maveric]

Had anybody drawings and other informations about Nardi Projects? F.N.300 to F.N.333... (the last...?.

 

[GTX]

The C variant was produce or not?

Yes:

 

[sgeorges4]

Thank:

 

[hesham]

Hi,

a little known airplane for Ansaldo called A.M.

Aerei Italiani 1914-1918

 

[airman]

Caproni 169 was a variant of Caproni 135 bis with Alfa Romeo 135 RC.32 ( spring 1943) .

 

[Grey Havoc]

Looks like the second image file is corrupted.

 

[dan_inbox]

a little known airplane for Ansaldo called A.M.

FYI I have seen the same machine named Ansaldo SVA ISVA

 

[hesham]

a little known airplane for Ansaldo called A.M.

FYI I have seen the same machine named Ansaldo SVA ISVA

No my dear Dan,

it was anther airplane,from the same report.

 

[juanT]

Hola a todos.
Macchi C-94 "idro da bombardamento"....from:https://picclick.it/Aeronautica-Mac...o-C94-Sezione-Longitudinale-133011516585.html

 

[Bazinga]

I have 4 planes listed as Antoni
1910 Monoplane

 

[Bazinga]

The 1912 Antoni (Guido & Ugo fratelli) straight wing monoplane
First pic source: https://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft28936.htm

 

[Bazinga]

The 1913 Antoni monoplane which seems to be patented in 1918 (see post #49)
First pic source: https://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft28936.htm

 

[Bazinga]

The 1923 Antoni 25

 

[Deleted member 4286]

Thanks my dears,
if anyone have a more informations or drawings please send it to us.
from Italy:
we know Reggiane Re.8000 was one hundard passengers flying boat,
Piaggio P.118 was single seat fighter similar to USA Bell P-39 in configuration,
it was proceed the P.119 fighter,two anther more projects based on P.119,
the P.129 with Daimler-Benz DB-605 engine and the P.132 with Piaggio P.XV
RC.60 engine as single seat fighters.

do you have drawings to them ?.

SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM

svppbellum.blogspot.com

 

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