USAF/USN 6th Gen Fighters - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA, ASFS News & Analysis

[Scott Kenny]

Probably closer to 500 as the USAF is forced to buy them when NGAD goes under.

That would honestly be a nightmare scenario for USAF. They hate buying Navy planes!

Went to Boeing St Louis last week, got to tour the F-15EX line and the EMD MQ-25s. Boeing is still building their huge, new production building and composites center which is and maybe was for NGAD. But as we know, Kendall put the temporary brakes on NGAD. I've been doing aerospace for a very long time and with around 2 years to go (maybe), I still have some shelf life, hard to predict in these times how program awards are going to go. I think Boeing was initially selected for USAF NGAD but with Boeing's current woes, I can see where Kendall hit the pause button. NG may win F/A-XX and I cannot see LM winning USAF NGAD since they have F-22 and there will be a lot more F-35s built. Boeing may still get selected NGAD in order to keep three primes in the game and for years, NG used to be the underdog.

I still see Boeing winning NGAD to keep 3 primes, and NG getting FAXX.

I'd laugh my ass off if the new Boeing plants end up making parts for LM and NG...

6th-Gen Aircraft: U.S. Explores Joining Euro-Japanese GCAP Fighter Program As Its NGAD Is Heading Nowhere

A truly global sixth-generation fighter jet can be in the offing. As financial constraints throw a spanner in the US Air Force and the US Navy’s plan to develop a sixth-generation fighter jet, the US is exploring the option of joining the European-Japanese consortium. The US Air Force and the...

www.eurasiantimes.com

U.S. Explores Joining Euro-Japanese GCAP Fighter Program As Its NGAD Is Heading Nowhere​

Possible in current budget environment?

No, mostly because adding the US would add enormous delays to the program that GCAP cannot afford.

Boeing is very likely to get the Navy contract and they have known that for a while.

How so?

 

[Hydroman]

That would honestly be a nightmare scenario for USAF. They hate buying Navy planes!




I still see Boeing winning NGAD to keep 3 primes, and NG getting FAXX.

I'd laugh my ass off if the new Boeing plants end up making parts for LM and NG...



No, mostly because adding the US would add enormous delays to the program that GCAP cannot afford.



How so?

The US would have to give up ITAR, that's why Japan did not want to team with the US. Europe does not have similar ITAR restrictions.

 

[Hydroman]

Boy everybody, these discussions are like a good chess match to see where all this goes or like the game Clue: Col. Boeing killed the competition and did it in the parlor with a rubber chicken then cried fowl!

 

[Hydroman]

As what was stated by totoro, Boeing does have KC-46 (needs help but USAF already pregnant), T-7 (started good, now issues, Saab not happy), F-15EX (going well, Boeing don't screw it up), P-8 (going well). F-18 E/F, last four birds this year. NG and LM more than likely have new classified programs of various types which is logical and has been that way for a long time. I'm sure Phantom Works is active in the B-World but not to the level of NG and LM. NG has B-21 but there is more, just don't about them.

 

[Ozair]

As what was stated by totoro, Boeing does have KC-46 (needs help but USAF already pregnant), T-7 (started good, now issues, Saab not happy), F-15EX (going well, Boeing don't screw it up), P-8 (going well). F-18 E/F, last four birds this year.

Boeing did already screw up with the F-15, the SA variant that the EX is built upon was over two years late to the Saudis in the middle teens.