DrRansom said:Given that IRSTs will be able to detect missile launch, I'd expect that the USAF would need a missile with a range > 150 - 200nm. It'd definitely have to be longer range than the PL-15 or R-37.
Too big, the AF wants new missiles to either increase performance in roughly the same size airframe or keep the performance of AMRAAM while shrinking the weapon. Sure B-21 can likely handle larger weapons, but then you're either shorting the fighters or you're paying for the Air-Launch SM-6 and an AMRAAM replacement.Dragon029 said:Perhaps they could look at air-launched SM-6's that ditch the booster motor.
ACC vice commander Maj. Gen. Jerry Harris adds in written testimony presented to a special congressional hearing at the National Museum of the Air Force in Dayton, Ohio, on June 18 that “aircraft payloads and deeper magazines will be a driving requirement for our next-generation aircraft.”...
Carlisle rejected any suggestion that PCA will be automatically based on the Raptor and handed to Lockheed, suggesting instead that it will be a competitive tender based on “agile acquisition” practices. Aircraft might be delivered in incremental lots of 50-100 airframes, with each lot building upon the next.
“I don’t think it’s a giveaway to anybody. I really don’t,” he told reporters after the hearing. “We’re going to engage all of industry and we’re going to look at what it takes to develop them.”
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“PCA, we believe, is an airframe that has broad-spectrum stealth, that has long range and long endurance and we’re talking about technologies from the outer mold line to the engines to the suppression of infrared, to everything else you can think of to give it that broad-spectrum stealth and penetrate and deliver weapons on its own or be the sensor suite that brings weapons in from standoff,” Carlisle says.
bobbymike said:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navys-sixth-generation-f-xx-fighter-just-super-super-17128
bobbymike said:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navys-sixth-generation-f-xx-fighter-just-super-super-17128
bobbymike said:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navys-sixth-generation-f-xx-fighter-just-super-super-17128
The objective of this contract is to conduct Research and Development to advance and mature the Air Force Research Laboratory's (AFRL) portfolio of electro-optical sensors and related technology for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR), targeting and situation awareness for manned, remotely piloted, and autonomous aircraft
bring_it_on said:Why would you want to do that specifically? There are plenty of other R&D efforts aimed at feeding other tactical aircraft and focused at EW, you'd hardly require integrating a stand-off jammer into a penetrating aircraft.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/311798433/Next-Leap-Ew?secret_password=rzgUVEc4Pyi2BVRys5kx
Regardless, the Tech maturity (as measured in TRL) is already quite advanced on the NGJ (Its been prototyped and is in EMD phase) and is significantly more advanced than many other technology that are likely to find their way into the platform.
bring_it_on said:How does any of that require NGJ level capability which for all intents and purposes is designed around providing stand off (among others) EA for the joint forces? B
WASHINGTON — After undergoing a yearlong effort that explored the tactics and technologies needed to control the skies in the future, the Air Force is taking its first steps toward making its next fighter jet a reality.
The service has already begun preliminary work ahead of a 2017 analysis of alternatives that will shape the requirements and acquisition strategy for the F-35 follow on, which the Air Force been termed Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) or Penetrating Counter Air (PCA).
But Brig. Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, who led the Air Superiority 2030 enterprise capability collaboration team (ECCT), emphasized that there are two major differences between the NGAD effort and its that of legacy fighter jets. The first is the relatively rapid method of acquiring it.
“We need to have something by the late 2020s,” he said in an interview with Defense News. “I think a realistic timeline is somewhere around 2028 with key investments in some key technology areas, you’d be able to have some initial operational capability of a penetrating counter air capability.”
The second difference relates to the recently concluded Air Superiority 2030 study, which made the case that the Air Force’s future dominance will rest not on a single platform, such as a sixth generation fighter jet, but on an integrated, networked family of systems. That combination of penetrating and stand-off capabilities includes a fighter plane, but also a number of space, cyber and electronic warfare assets.
What that means is that the fighter jet of the future might look more like a sensor node than the dogfighters of the past, Grynkewich said. The service currently is conducting pre-AOA work at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, to explore emerging technologies and hammer out potential NGAD requirements.
“They’re looking at all of the tradespace of the various attributes,” including lethality, survivability, range and payload, he said.
That team is also evaluating how the service can meet its requirements as quickly as possible. The Air Superiority 2030 ECCT found that the Air Force wouldn’t be able to field an exquisite sixth-generation fighter through the normal procurement process any faster than 2040. By using rapid acquisition processes and parallel development, Grynkewich hopes to field an initial capability about a decade earlier. Parallel development — where technologies such as an advanced engine, sensors and weapons progress on separate paths and later integrated into the fighter jet — will likely be key to the effort, he said. Once technologies are matured in the early stages of the program, the service could then use modeling and simulation to test whether those systems will generate the desired effects.
Integrating the various systems into the larger platform would be the most difficult and risky aspect of the process, but that risk can be minimized by prototyping, Grynkewich said.
“I would make them operationally realistic, relevant prototypes. 'Fieldable' prototypes is the term I would like to use. Whether we go there or not will be another tradespace discussion,” he said. “You get it as mature as you can. You get these prototypes, you fly them around for a while. You do some testing on them.
“If you do something like that, if you don't change your requirements, if you don't set your sights on technologies that you know aren't going to mature on the timeline required,” he said, “then you'll be in decent shape."
Penetrating Counter Air
The Air Force is trying to flush the words “sixth generation fighter” from its lexicon, Grynkewich said. Even the service’s initial terminology for an F-35 follow on — Next Generation Air Dominance — is being eschewed in favor of the label “Penetrating Counter Air.”
“You start to have an argument over what does 'sixth gen' mean. Does it have laser beams, is it hypersonic? What is it? What does it look like? That’s not a useful conversation,” he explained. “The more useful conversation is, what are the key attributes we need in order to gain and maintain air superiority in 2030?”
The Air Force is looking at incorporating sophisticated, cutting edge technologies like directed energy in the initial version of Penetrating Counter Air (PCA) or a future block upgrade. But ultimately, the service does not want to hold up the program so that a particular sensor or weapon can mature.
The outcome may not turn out to resemble a traditional fighter jet, Grynkewich said.
“I’ve gotten into a little hot water with my fighter pilot brethren over this, because I say things like, ‘Hey, it may not necessarily be a fighter,’” he said, adding that the aircraft will likely still receive the “F” designation reserved for fighter jets. “A typical fighter pilot for air superiority would say you need 9Gs, two tails, a gun, short range. That’s what fighters are. This is something that’s a little bit different and has some different attributes in my mind.”
Requirements are not set in stone and could change during the AOA process, but Grynkewich believes that range and payload will be two of the most important attributes of the aircraft. NGAD, like other fighter jets, will need to be able to penetrate enemy air defenses and enter contested spaces, but it will also need to be able to operate at greater distances than current platforms, he said.
“And then, what’s the maneuverability, what’s the acceleration, what’s the top speed? There’s a whole host of attributes in the trade space to be explored,” he said. “How exactly they play off each other and do we need something that can dogfight in the classical sense? I’m a little skeptical that’s where the tradespace will lead us.”
The Air Force is off to a good start, but still has much work to do in terms of establishing what performance variables will take priority, said Mark Gunzinger, senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Like Grynkewich, Gunzinger mentioned payload and range as two key characteristics of the aircraft.
“When you consider the kinds of geography that our future fighter aircraft may have to operate in, such as the Western Pacific, overcoming that tyranny of distance means that we probably will need combat aircraft for longer ranges,” he said. A larger payload would also be vital in such scenarios because the jet will likely have to stay in the area of engagement for longer durations and have enough weapons capability to make an impact on enemy assets.
Both of those factors must also be weighed against the affordability of the aircraft and the speed to delivery.
“It won’t help if you come up with a perfect solution but it is so expensive we can’t afford to buy enough of them,” Gunzinger said. “The Air Force needs to start buying new jets as swiftly as it can, and a future Penetrating Counter Air aircraft, a future fighter that isn’t going to deliver until the mid 2030s, isn’t going to help now. So that’s why I think something that can be delivered sooner than the 2030s and certainly is affordable is a very important factor.”
Experimentation Efforts
In May, the Air Superiority 2030 enterprise capability collaboration team released classified and unclassified flight plans that detail desired technologies, their predicted funding requirements and potential concepts of operation. Although the ECCT stood down after former Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh signed off on its findings in May, officials charged with executing portions of the flight plan will continue to brief the Air Force secretary and top generals on their progress, Grynkewich said.
The study spawned a number of experimentation efforts that could help inform future programs or concepts of operations. The first of those, Data to Decision, kicked off this spring and will run anywhere from three to five years, depending on its success, he said. The campaign will evaluate how the Air Force intakes data from its various sensors and communications devices, processes that information, analyzes it and shares it in order to better inform real time operations.
“We want to put that data into a cloud-like architecture,” he said. “Then you have this application layer on top of that, and that layer is where I can build an app, just like I would for my iPhone. But now it’s in my F-22, where I go, ‘I need targeting information,’ and that app goes into the cloud, pulls the relevant information forward and off we go.” The first stages of the effort will be conducted through modeling and simulation, he said. “As you move forward, there will invariably be some opportunities to actually fly sensors, look at data links, look at communication links and see how they can network that family of capabilities together.”
The second experimentation campaign, called Defeat Agile and Intelligent targets, will start in the next several months. During that effort, the Air Force will evaluate how it can use its inventory to take out highly maneuverable and lethal targets.
“I suspect, as they identify difficult targets that are part of an integrated air defense system, they’ll do some modeling and sim,” he said. Live events may also be on the table, if funding permits.
If capability gaps are found through either experimentation campaign, that could inform future requirements for its next fighter or other technologies listed in the Air Superiority 2030 flight plan, he said.
“You start to have an argument over what does 'sixth gen' mean. Does it have laser beams, is it hypersonic? What is it? What does it look like? That’s not a useful conversation,” he explained. “The more useful conversation is, what are the key attributes we need in order to gain and maintain air superiority in 2030?”
Airplane said:Penetrating counterair. By the time gen 6 is flying there will be ground based laser threats dotting across the battlespace. Its one thing to dodge a missile or to have laser jammmers on board to deal with missile threats. Its one thing to have dedicated DEAD assets disabling SAM sites while other assets go on to attack command and control, but when the threat is a popup laser that no one knows is there until after it has downed several aircraft, "penetrating" evaporates. Perhaps it should be called standoff counterair? Standoff out of range of the indigenous laser threats and use a new breed of long range AAM to attack aerial threats while over their own homeland. Better yet, bring back the shuttered deathstar. Missiles can fail, can be jammed, can be evaded, but a beam of light is instant death. Penetrating counterair is a myth, is a throwback to the current threats of today that the ATF was designed to defeat.
The Pentagon's next-generation air dominance (NGAD) effort to develop follow-on technologies to the US Air Force's (USAF's) and US Navy's (USN's) Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the USN's Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet is taking shape and will include improvements to low-observable capability and aircraft range, according to the service's top scientific research and technology official.The USAF in May released its "Air Superiority 2030 Flight Plan" announcing that it would rapidly develop a programme that mates cyber warfare, electronic warfare, and even space capabilities to advance the state of the art in air-to-air and air-to-ground warfare. While the new programme is expected to harness disparate capabilities, NGAD is defined by improvements in two key areas - stealth and range - according to USAF chief scientist Greg Zacharias.
"I think stealth is a key issue at more frequencies than we have it now," Zacharias told IHS Jane's on 19 August. "And I think range is the other one." He added that one means of achieving greater range could be the development of penetrating aerial refuelling capability. "If I can get a tanker to fuel closer into an [anti-access/area denial] A2/AD environment, it might be more important to get the tanker protected" from advanced air defence systems, he said. "If you can get a tanker closer in, you don't need as much range on the aircraft. I think strategists are looking at a more holistic solution. Maybe I don't need a fighter with big tanks on it, maybe I need tanker."
The description bears a striking resemblance to the USN's about-face on its Unmanned Carrier-Launched Aerial Surveillance and Strike system. The successor to that effort, known as the MQ-25A Stingray, will be an unmanned carrier-based tanker aircraft. The navy, however, has insisted that its new aircraft will not be a low-observable platform.
Zacharias added that some type of "cyber attack" capability could also be developed to improve ability to penetrate integrated air defences. "The word 'enterprise' is a major shift in thinking on these things," he added. "It's not platform-centric. It's about putting enough sensors on board and enough [communications capability]." He added that NGAD is addressed "in terms of distributed transmit-and-receive and possibly even using passive signals [in order to] put the burden of detecting and tracking on the computational side rather than on the sensor-receiver side."
The USAF expects to conduct an analysis of alternatives for NGAD in 2017, so programme development is likely to proceed at a rapid pace. Although the USAF's 'flight plan' cites a 2030 fielding goal, senior USAF officials have said that time line could be abbreviated.
While advanced propulsion is not the centerpiece of the new system, according to Zacharias, the Pentagon's Adaptive Engine Technology Program to field a new variable-cycle engine that will be 35% more fuel-efficient than legacy jet engines remains important. In fact, the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) is making yet another push on basic research for the effort, despite already having passed off its earlier work to Pratt & Whitney and General Electric aviation, the two contractors working under billion-dollar development contracts awarded in May. "AFRL is still pushing forward its [science and technology] programme on… things like better thermal management and operation at higher mach numbers," he said.
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Advanced propulsion can improve on legacy combat aircraft in two ways: by increasing range and by powering more onboard systems. So it can also be seen as a critical element of the new design.
Ogami musashi said:Am i the only one that has noticed that the NGAD is now referenced as the follow on to F-35 and not F-22??
Ogami musashi said:Am i the only one that has noticed that the NGAD is now referenced as the follow on to F-35 and not F-22??
bring_it_on said:Advances in stealth, range expected under NGAD
1. The navy, however, has insisted that its new aircraft will not be a low-observable platform.
2. Zacharias added that some type of "cyber attack" capability could also be developed to improve ability to penetrate integrated air defences. "The word 'enterprise' is a major shift in thinking on these things," he added. "It's not platform-centric. It's about putting enough sensors on board and enough [communications capability]." He added that NGAD is addressed "in terms of distributed transmit-and-receive and possibly even using passive signals [in order to] put the burden of detecting and tracking on the computational side rather than on the sensor-receiver side."
3. The USAF expects to conduct an analysis of alternatives for NGAD in 2017, so programme development is likely to proceed at a rapid pace. Although the USAF's 'flight plan' cites a 2030 fielding goal, senior USAF officials have said that time line could be abbreviated.
4. While advanced propulsion is not the centerpiece of the new system, according to Zacharias, the Pentagon's Adaptive Engine Technology Program to field a new variable-cycle engine that will be 35% more fuel-efficient than legacy jet engines remains important. In fact, the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) is making yet another push on basic research for the effort, despite already having passed off its earlier work to Pratt & Whitney and General Electric aviation, the two contractors working under billion-dollar development contracts awarded in May. "AFRL is still pushing forward its [science and technology] programme on… things like better thermal management and operation at higher mach numbers," he said.
2. Is this incorporating some of the NGJ capabilities - or components, without the compute portion?
4. This is new to me. Didn't know AFRL was working on this piece. IIRC, the commercial engine work is to be done in 2021? Is this AFRL's bailiwick or a separation of duties to get everything done quicker - or both?
Is NGAD and PCA being used interchangeably here?
NeilChapman said:4. This is new to me. Didn't know AFRL was working on this piece. IIRC, the commercial engine work is to be done in 2021? Is this AFRL's bailiwick or a separation of duties to get everything done quicker - or both?
bring_it_on said:Its been documented here. Follow on to the VAATE is in the works, and there is AFRL's INVENT for thermal and other SwAP related activities.
bring_it_on said:It went from F-22 replacement --> 'what comes after the F-35' (Frank Kendall) --> F-35 follow on ..
Ogami musashi said:Am i the only one that has noticed that the NGAD is now referenced as the follow on to F-35 and not F-22??
bobbymike said:Thinking on these timelines (2028) and recall up the thread the NGAD/PCA speculated as possibly just a 'Super' F-35 leads me to surmise;
1) A larger (than F-35) advanced single engine (50k lb thrust class), with improved stealth, significantly longer range, a deeper magazine and possibly offensive EW and defensive DEW?
bobbymike said:http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/the-looming-air-superiority-train-wreck/
bobbymike said:http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/the-looming-air-superiority-train-wreck/
sferrin said:bobbymike said:http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/the-looming-air-superiority-train-wreck/
If only somebody would have warned us about this train wreck back in the 90s. Oh wait, everybody did. Nobody listened.