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That could well be the case.
The Navy needs a good mix of aircraft again like when I was in and on CVN-65 (F-14, A-6, EA-6, S-3, E-2, A-7). A good naval mission air superiority fighter (similar to the Tomcat) but you now have the strike fighter assets now (F-35, F/A-18) for their roles like the USAF F-16. MQ-25, I'm on the ropes regarding this one but the Navy has always needed a good, purpose built tanker, don't know if MQ-25 is it though. No USN and USAF sharing a common fighter design derivative, different missions.The US Navy Is Reversing Its Fighter-Jet Design Philosophy
NavAir commander says the next-gen plane will be designed around certain cutting-edge technologies.www.defenseone.com
Sounds like they can't afford the plane.
At least with MQ-25 we're not burning Super Hornet hours on buddy refueling, they're piloted by Warrant Officers to boot. I do hope they explore further payloads beyond the tanking gear and internal ISR gear too. What's still needed unfortunately is a S-3 replacement, multipurpose and long duration maritime patrol aircraft organic to the Battlegroup. Leverage development from the P-8s with sized down APS-154 MTI/ISAR system and operator consoles to control drones. Maybe based off the E-2 ASW concepts of yesteryear?The Navy needs a good mix of aircraft again like when I was in and on CVN-65 (F-14, A-6, EA-6, S-3, E-2, A-7). A good naval mission air superiority fighter (similar to the Tomcat) but you now have the strike fighter assets now (F-35, F/A-18) for their roles like the USAF F-16. MQ-25, I'm on the ropes regarding this one but the Navy has always needed a good, purpose built tanker, don't know if MQ-25 is it though. No USN and USAF sharing a common fighter design derivative, different missions.The US Navy Is Reversing Its Fighter-Jet Design Philosophy
NavAir commander says the next-gen plane will be designed around certain cutting-edge technologies.www.defenseone.com
Sounds like they can't afford the plane.
NavAir commander says the next-gen plane will be designed around certain cutting-edge technologies.
The U.S. Navy plans to design a new-generation fighter jet around different types of technology—as opposed to designing an aircraft and then trying to pack it with technology after the fact, a top admiral said.
Vice Adm. Dean Peters, the Naval Air Systems Command commander, described a shift in the design philosophy of high-performance fighter jets.
“The most important thing that's going to happen with this with Next Generation [Air Dominance] is that we're going to take all of those technologies that we've developed, those enabling technologies, and instead of picking a platform and then figuring out how to wedge those enabling technologies into it, or not be able to wedge those into it, we're gonna start with the enabling technologies, and make that part of the criteria for what the aircraft looks like on the other end,” Peters said at the Navy League’s Sea Air Space convention in National Harbor, Maryland.
Called the Next Generation Air Dominance, or NGAD, the plane is to eventually replace the aircraft carrier-based F/A-18 Super Hornet. The Air Force also has a next-generation fighter jet project by the same name.
“I can tell you that although...the program is different than the Air Force, there is a very tight integration between the Air Force and the Navy, or what this platform is going to be,” Peters said.
The US Navy Is Reversing Its Fighter-Jet Design Philosophy
NavAir commander says the next-gen plane will be designed around certain cutting-edge technologies.www.defenseone.com
He has to make it sound distinct, new and exciting to secure funds or he might get stuck with an F35, or an NGAD derivative with canards.I had no idea the Navy has been designing airplanes incorrectly all of these years, as what he is talking about is exactly how I was taught to design aircraft decades ago. Well, that certainly explains the Super Hornet.
Out of interest just who decides what should and shouldn’t be disclosed about a program, do they loop the president in on such decisions or is it just the senior brass in the USAF?Four questions with the head of Air Combat Command
Gen. Mark Kelly talked about the service's sixth-generation fighter and plans to replace the E-3 airborne warning and control plane, better known as the AWACS.www.defensenews.com
Do you want a fighter or a lunar lander that will spend half its time undergoing repairs? I would prefer a plane with a high readiness rate and not weighted down with 7,000 lbs of thrust vectoring plumbing. Maybe one day they will discover the element 115 isotope for vtol opsHmm, a Idea just hit me.
Given that 6th gen may not have traditional aerodynamic control surfaces for stealth reasons, with control dependent on thrust vectoring and blown air methods....
Perhaps 6th gen can support near zero velocity post-stall (tail-sitting) landing/takeoff operations with only a small design change? With effective means of low speed control and Thrust to weight ratio >>1 (likely at low fuel states).
It seems not too difficult to manage a near zero velocity tail sit touch down with modern controls, the actually tricky part is how to get the aircraft horizontal on the ground again. A propulsor to lift/gently drop the nose and specially designed landing gear could do the job.
Not like visibility is a issue in the era of virtual cockpits necessary to deal with lasers.
Not sure if this sort of operation would be considered reliable enough for navy use.
Normally, it wouldn't be worst than F-35B, though some would say that experience is enough show it is a bad idea.Do you want a fighter or a lunar lander that will spend half its time undergoing repairs? I would prefer a plane with a high readiness rate and not weighted down with 7,000 lbs of thrust vectoring plumbing. Maybe one day they will discover the element 115 isotope for vtol opsHmm, a Idea just hit me.
Given that 6th gen may not have traditional aerodynamic control surfaces for stealth reasons, with control dependent on thrust vectoring and blown air methods....
Perhaps 6th gen can support near zero velocity post-stall (tail-sitting) landing/takeoff operations with only a small design change? ....
Yup both the Nimitz and now the Fords elevators are STILL designed to carry two of them from using them, the Nimitzs, and for just in case, Fords.IMOHO it would be safe to say that we could reasonably dismiss the risk given that something as big as an A-5 or A-3 have operated for decades aboard similar sized aircraft carrier.
I feel the need to point out that those weights are their max take off weights.Just because an aircraft is large does not mean it is heavy.
A-5: 28tons MTOW
F-35C: 31tons MTOW
F-14: 33ton MTOW
A-3: 37tons MTOW
F-111B: 40tons MTOW (get into trouble here, or so the navy claims: note this is a variable geometry aircraft)
Lower landing speed in any case helps with weight (structure to withstand slowing down in a fixed distance), airframe life, safety and likes. The question is whether the trade off in adding systems to achieve this is worthwhile.
The thought is that if you are already using blown air and thrust vectoring for stealth purposes, it can be retooled for STOL as well so you are not paying the full penalty of adding those systems.
And Landing weight is far lighter, like I believe the Max is like 20 tons for carriers.
3 & 4 are not official onesSo... in terms of official NGAD, F/A-XX, and F-X concepts... are there any I'm missing?
Also - does anyone know of an attempt to draw profiles of the existing concepts? Or is everyone waiting until after the official competition completes? I haven't found any yet.
So... in terms of official NGAD, F/A-XX, and F-X concepts... are there any I'm missing?
Yeah the yf23 can't be beat in looks.This one is my personal favourite
It look to be for the Navy NGAD program, and we don't saw another picture of this one.View attachment 664220
Never worked out this one, posted as NG NGAD on ATS awhile back and no one commented on
Also - does anyone know of an attempt to draw profiles of the existing concepts? Or is everyone waiting until after the official competition completes? I haven't found any yet.
Morning!Never worked out this one, posted as NG NGAD on ATS awhile back and no one commented on it.
That's not a YF-23. Aside from the butterfly tail there's nothing in common. May as well call a YF-23 a Beechcraft Bonanza.Yeah the yf23 can't be beat in looks.This one is my personal favourite
So is the thing at the front a canard or leading edge of the main wing?Morning!Never worked out this one, posted as NG NGAD on ATS awhile back and no one commented on it.